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It's not at all about the ability to compare the shows though, but that you can compare them and should approach each one with a different set of eyes, not by ill-defined genre tags, specifically--though they can help consolidate, but by the obvious intents. Or, in other words, that I do think critiques can apply across the board, but am saying that when doing so, you have to gauge if the critique is entirely fair for the show. Saying that they're both TV shows so: similar doesn't really fly with me.
Between Ano Natsu and Gintama for example, I would never harp on Gintama for a 20-EP stretch devoid of character development if it nailed the humor, but would flame the hell out of Ano Natsu if it did so with a smaller stretch, though being devoid of character development usually comes with a negative connotation.
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Sankarea 1
Though taking it and making it much classier fare, somebody definitely studied the hell out of Bake. The dialogue was unusually strong, the tone was apt of even the humor while being weirdly somber, and the art was great across the whole ep. Everything from framing to theme cues showed an attention to detail unusual to most, let alone DEEN. That was great. And I so stunned right now.
I'm 3 for 4 this season, and the 3 that worked REALLY worked. And my most anticipated ones haven't even aired yet.
Deen rises, Gainax falls
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Everything is as it should be.
I'm still trying to decipher what the heck is going on with the perspective in this image. It's like someone understands the concept of a wide angle lens, but not the execution.
I always thought that Angel Beats picture wasn't as bad as people made it out to be, but this is on a different level of awful.
The music included with Fate Zero box is fantastic. I might have been a critic of the price and value initially but I can honestly say its so fucking worth it.
But the most interesting relationships are the ones that are the most taboo.
She also did the Canaan ED My Heaven and the Higurashi EDs Taishou A and Manazashi.
So good, I love how relaxing and almost lackadaisical, in a way, her voice is.
Crash Station
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Hayate no Gotoku 4-5
lol, Saint Seiya.
lol, Saint Seiya.
Crash Station
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Wouldn't that be credited to the mangaka rather than the anime staff? Unless they changed a lot of it.
KO Traveling Hobo
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What's it like? The //sign anime and games were fun, but I couldn't stand Legend of the Twilight.
Honestly, I forgot most of Sankarea, having dropped it so long ago, but the feeling that ep gave off was odd, given what they were working with--almost tasteful whereas, from what I remember, while funny, the manga felt like another simple romcom from the very beginning, but with a shtick. The dialogue could have been pulled straight from the manga though, definitely. I just can't remember it being even that good--The scene where
they were burying Babu being particularly poignant
Go_Ly_Dow
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Guess I will leave Medaka Box for now unless the next 2 episodes receive more glowing reception.
I'm just in shock that I'm about to watch a DEEN show. I told myself I was finished with them and enough is enough.
In summary:
Feelsgoodman.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? ;_;
I'm just in shock that I'm about to watch a DEEN show. I told myself I was finished with them and enough is enough.
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In summary:
Feelsgoodman.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? ;_;
firehawk12
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And I think you can do that if you provide the proper context. I mean, in another life I've compared American and British television to each other even though they have vastly different production scopes. Heck, with cable networks being the premiere place for television these days, I think it's fair to compare an HBO/AMC show to a CBS/NBC/ABC show.
Ultimately, whether it's 200+ episodes or 10 episodes, there's still some (subjective, admittedly) qualitative measure of a show's success. I don't know anything about One Piece, but I think if the people who are making that show are good at their jobs, it's not unreasonable to expect that every single one of those 500+ episodes are at least watchable, if not excellent.
Maybe at some point you pull semantic arguments and then piecemeal a show into discrete units (ie, The Simpsons was only good from Seasons 2 to 9 or the director/showrunner of a show changed mid-run so you have two "different" shows, like The West Wing), and I certainly understand that point of view.
I'm not even talking about critiquing individual components of the shows that make them distinct from each other though. I just disagree with the fact that because you think AnoNatsu is "uninspired" in terms of how you perceive it uses tropes and archetypes that it is also somehow disqualified from being "good" despite the fact that it's excellently structured as a television show.
Of course, when I say it is "good television writing", I mean just that. As a serial work split up into 20 minute chunks that is broadcast once a week, AnoNatsu is an example of "good television writing". Maybe it's just a matter of us having a debate when the terms are not properly defined.
Crash Station
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I'll probably reread the first chapter after watching the episode just to see if the dialogue was the same. I'm curious.
The background is in a fisheye lens, but the characters are normal for some reason.
I'm still trying to decipher what the heck is going on with the perspective in this image. It's like someone understands the concept of a wide angle lens, but not the execution.
It's not "some" reason, it's incompetence+laziness.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Common misconception. The characters are actually all horrifically physically deformed, but the fisheye lens counterbalances that.
It's a symbolic moment that brings the show's theme to the forefront: the difference between "normal" and "tragically crippled freak" is just a matter of perspective.
It's the best out of the animated series IMO. If you at least enjoyed //sign then you will definitely like //quantum. Pacing is good, animation is pretty good, and the characters are likeable for a 3 part OVA.
Sankarea 01
Yeah this wasn't bad especially since I had no intentions of checking this out before.
The main character seems... interesting enough with his zombie fetish and all. I really hate his hair though. From this first episode I'm definitely getting some Bakemono vibes from the show for some reason. Might be from the dialogue, the character interactions, or just the main character himself.
The concept is pretty weird yet it's got me interested so I will keep watching to see how this goes.
Yeah this wasn't bad especially since I had no intentions of checking this out before.
The main character seems... interesting enough with his zombie fetish and all. I really hate his hair though. From this first episode I'm definitely getting some Bakemono vibes from the show for some reason. Might be from the dialogue, the character interactions, or just the main character himself.
The concept is pretty weird yet it's got me interested so I will keep watching to see how this goes.
A Black Falcon
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It's sort of like the original .hack anime, but with action too. That is, it's fantastic. Best thing in the .hack universe in years. I loved .hack/quantum, really good work! It's just kind of too bad it's so short... the action, MMORPG elements, characters, and story are all done well.
The main downside is that the plot is pretty predictable .hack universe stuff, but apart from that it's great.
Oh, and I think that of the .hack animes, Sign, Liminality, and Quantum are great, Legend of the Twilight is awful, and G.U./etc. is mediocre/average at best.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Thanks, guys. I didn't really mind the pacing of the original, but some additional action certainly couldn't hurt. Kinda lame that it's just a 3 part OVA, but it sounds like it's worth checking out.
Yeah, I actually kind of want to check out the .hack//sign anime now if you recommend it. I fucking hate the manga though. I bought it when I had no idea what good manga was, and on re-reading it was still shit.
What I really want to do is make a single player RPG set in an MMO world... but maybe first I should do the videogame auteur fighter first...
Anyway, quantum is a great ride. You don't really want to sit back and think about it (like, logistically) too much though because it doesn't make all that much sense if you try and think about things.
/edit so... the DVD extras have the seiyuus doing a cooking show. This is... bizarre.
//edit they made bento of their characters :| I think it's bento. That's the one where you make the lunchboxes that look like characters right?
///edit Oh, I guess it's charaben.
What I really want to do is make a single player RPG set in an MMO world... but maybe first I should do the videogame auteur fighter first...
Anyway, quantum is a great ride. You don't really want to sit back and think about it (like, logistically) too much though because it doesn't make all that much sense if you try and think about things.
/edit so... the DVD extras have the seiyuus doing a cooking show. This is... bizarre.
//edit they made bento of their characters :| I think it's bento. That's the one where you make the lunchboxes that look like characters right?
///edit Oh, I guess it's charaben.
KO Traveling Hobo
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I take it you haven't played the //sign games? That's exactly what they are.
edit: not that I'd necessarily recommend them, though. I liked them, but they're not exactly masterpieces.
Sounds like Kingdoms of Amalur.
Unknown Soldier
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I read a few chapters of the manga and dropped it awhile back. So I know it's awful. Which is why it pains me to think I might try watching this show.
Jex
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Ha, I haven't even begun to talk about how the art fails in this picture. It's really worse than Angel Beats.
For example, one side of the door there's a guy, and on the other side of the door there's a girl kneeling. Let's say the door is about 3/4 of a metre wide, so they aren't that far away from each other. Yet, she's tiny, as if she was on the other side of a large room. How big would she be if she stood up?
Is she meant to be tiny?
Did I mention that the potted plant isn't actually level on the floor? It's tilted at an angle, suspended above the ground by some mysterious force.
Or that the stuff you can see through the door isn't warped at all? It's perfectly straight.
Unknown Soldier
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Sankarea 1
...I still can't accept that modern day DEEN was behind this. This was more like a SHAFT production but with consistency and an actual budget. Holy shit, I don't even know what's going on anymore.
The cat ear hair's dumb as hell.
because i can
Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? of the Dead 1
As long as this doesn't forcefully inject drama again, I'm okay with this. It's a decent comedy if it doesn't take itself seriously and pokes fun at itself. Once the drama comes in though, ugh...
Nonsensical title though. They outdid themselves this time...
Sankarea 1
Wow. It's like I watched a show from a different studio. Holy crap, what's with the discrepancy?
Next you'll tell me XEBEC or FEEL isn't working on some kind of moe fanservice show. <_< Jokes aside, I really am pleasantly surprised by this return to form for DEEN.
Others have already expounded on this but I definitely feel some SHAFT-esque techniques were incorporated into this. However, it doesn't come off as obnoxious and pretentious; DEEN uses them to augment the viewing experience, not to obfuscate or sometimes distort the scene.
Hopefully, DEEN will keep up this level of animation consistently and the plot doesn't get too crazy.
As long as this doesn't forcefully inject drama again, I'm okay with this. It's a decent comedy if it doesn't take itself seriously and pokes fun at itself. Once the drama comes in though, ugh...
Nonsensical title though. They outdid themselves this time...
Sankarea 1
Wow. It's like I watched a show from a different studio. Holy crap, what's with the discrepancy?
Next you'll tell me XEBEC or FEEL isn't working on some kind of moe fanservice show. <_< Jokes aside, I really am pleasantly surprised by this return to form for DEEN.
Others have already expounded on this but I definitely feel some SHAFT-esque techniques were incorporated into this. However, it doesn't come off as obnoxious and pretentious; DEEN uses them to augment the viewing experience, not to obfuscate or sometimes distort the scene.
Hopefully, DEEN will keep up this level of animation consistently and the plot doesn't get too crazy.
I'm already kind of eh on the main character being so emotionally attached to this stray cat we've seen just all of 3 minutes. I can empathize but still slightly unbelievable to me.
I did enjoy the first few chapters. I would be willing to give anime a try for animation/music/voice work but it would have to something incredible. Comparing it to Shaft works isn't doing it any favors.
Unknown Soldier
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It's called Star Wars: The Old Republic.
Definitely, and will they ever be, you know?
Still, while I see where you're coming from, I have to say we agree to disagree. A 12 ep romcomdrama vs an indefinitely running shounen-comedy that alternates between blocks of comedy and smaller arcs of drama can be be compared in aspects, and at times, sure, but are just too different in scale and intent to really be linked together with such the broad chain--TV writing, as if it's intrinsic.
It's why I push for the distinctions from the beginning, whether the show be 10 or 200 eps, independent of genre, but with purpose taken into account. Past that, it's seemingly an issue of which of those units you deem focal, which is just that much deeper a dive the semantics and subjectivity, like you say, but makes for generally cleaner critiques of a narrative once the discourse is had.
Come on, cut them some slack. It's just ice cubes anyway. It's not like it's a CG wheelchair or something where you see it every episode.
Yes, I'm still in fumes over Ookami Kakushi, especially its horrifying animation.
DEEN must have been trolling with us this whole time with derpy animation. Or they've stockpiled diverted funds from other anime into this. I can't think of anything else.
poor wonzo, i think he's gone funny from Eiken.
how can you watch the original Toei Kanon when Kyoani has provided a superior one designed to make us forget the Toei one even existed?
Dresden said:
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I mean, like, explicitly, where the setting is an MMO.
Any of the .hack// games good?
Will this take the place of that infamous Angel Beats picture then?
A Black Falcon
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What did Toei do better than Kyoani, except in derpiness of faces?
Kore wa Zombie also grounds this sad reality in.
that's par the course given how terrible the first series was
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Then I do have to hate it for the writing. It's just so fucking derivative. I remember when GAINAX was cool. When they did (relatively) original stuff.
Please, it pains me even thinking about it. Heartbreak indeed.
Agreed although I'll defend Kore wa Zombie in that if it didn't forefully inject drama into the show midway, it'd be a decent zombie comedy.
Too many comedies are ruined by the need to tie up the plot using excessive drama at the tail end of the show. Kannagi is another victim...
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