Dreams-Visions
Member
these threads get more and more aggressive with each delay.
it's fascinating to watch.
So is 3.0 coming in September or not?
it's fascinating to watch.
So is 3.0 coming in September or not?
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Star Citizen Gamescom presentation [Over]
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mercenar1e
Member
They gave no release date or promise. My guess is more likely early 2018 with a lot of jank, maybe late 2018 with most gamebreaking bugs fixed. 3.1 sometime mid to late 2019.
Dreams-Visions
Member
no.. its not going to make October either.
Alright. Probably going to ask for a refund, then. I like to think I'm a man of my word and I said in the OT that if 3.0 didn't make late September like GAFers said it would I would get my money back.
I guess I have a decision to make, but I once again find myself incredibly disappointed. Game feels like it's aligning itself to be a jack of all trades...but I have no reason to believe that it will be anything but a master of nothing right now. I didn't want to watch the video for fear of disappointment, and the hostility in this thread tells me everything I needed to know about how well they did (or in this case didn't) do in what was apparently another demo that had a problematic showing.
Yea, I'm out. Fuck this nonsense.
Join us with these features after features with half ass results
Dreams-Visions
Member
Okay I'm in. I really don't want to ask for my money back. I've been a backer for years now. I don't need the money, but shit I earned it and I don't want to feel like I'm just throwing it away and right now that's how it feels. I just...I'm just growing really frustrated. Games aren't supposed to be engulfed in controversy and anger. Every SC thread looks or at least feels like this. It's just not normal.
what the fuuuuck
Dreams-Visions
Member
smarter man than most. learning from mistakes.
yea referral rewards have been a thing for a long time. it's why Twitch streamers playing this game (few thought they may be) push their referral links pretty hard.
That sounds similar to Multi-Level Marketing!
Only difference is in game content as opposed to actual money.
This game really interests me from a world building perspective. The ships and MMO aspects. I am interested to see how everything turns out.
Outrun
Member
That is where I am at now.
It is liberating. I wish CIG all the best and I am happy to rejoin if they come through.
Honestly the bigger backers have largely bailed on the threads and are hanging out in Discord killing time, not really getting that tied up in this stuff. Either it'll play out or it won't. We have a ton of people signed up for the org who don't post day to day because they're just doing other stuff in the mean time. One day either the project runs out of money or the game's out, and how much the opinions sway either way here doesn't have much of an impact on the game's chances. I've barely had enough time to keep up with things myself lately and I'm the OP and guild leader, lol.
People have been trolling the hell out of the threads to try to make the discussion look as shitty as possible to put new people off the game. The threads look awful because that's exactly what people set out to do, so that could explain why you feel something's off there. People have been putting up with a lot in there for over a year now.
Anyway, good luck with the refund and I'm curious how it goes for you.
PandaShake
Member
How did you go about it? Call/email/best thing to say in conjunction with I want refund? I'm thinking about it too. Still looking forward to it, but I might just get with base price instead.
mercenar1e
Member
email CIG customer support and ask for a refund. they will send the funds to your PayPal account and your email+username will be permanently disabled.
GuitarAtomik
Member
They mentioned in the original video showing off the Mobiglass UI that it was made a physical aspect of the world partially because of VR so they're at least keeping it in mind somewhere. Don't get me wrong though. I agree that a LOT of decisions they've made with this game are VR-unfreindly and I'm not holding my breathe on the final game having good implementation of it.
No, those threads look shitty because backers are rabidly aggressive who attack anyone who displays the slightest bit of critical thinking.
From claiming that hating on SC is no different than transphobia or racism to saying that anyone being less than "realistically optimistic" is automatically a troll to claiming people who haven't invested enough money are Derek Smart aligned goon trolls.
To claim it's because of a targeted conspiracy to sabotage the game is just further evidence of the cult-like attitude.
Interesting, I didn't know about the referral links and how heavy they were being pushed with regards to this game. That's pretty gross.
With every new gameplay "module" showing, my hype seems to diminish. I appreciate the ambition and hope for the best result. But still can't shake the feeling that this game is headed for the cliff though.
With every new gameplay "module" showing, my hype seems to diminish. I appreciate the ambition and hope for the best result. But still can't shake the feeling that this game is headed for the cliff though.
All I really want is Squadron 42 as wing commander was just amazing...
But clearly that's not happening anytime soon.
It's not even the buggy presentation or what have you. When you dole out a specific feature like mapping a user's face from a specific kind of webcam they're trying to sell to you and on the same presentation, have a crash and a hilarious bug with a rover not even able to get on a ramp, you know stuff is just sideways..
Why are features like that still added when the game is in such a bad state where even the most controlled vertical slice is still crashing.
The referral links don't even bother me. There's bigger problems this game has.
But clearly that's not happening anytime soon.
It's not even the buggy presentation or what have you. When you dole out a specific feature like mapping a user's face from a specific kind of webcam they're trying to sell to you and on the same presentation, have a crash and a hilarious bug with a rover not even able to get on a ramp, you know stuff is just sideways..
Why are features like that still added when the game is in such a bad state where even the most controlled vertical slice is still crashing.
The referral links don't even bother me. There's bigger problems this game has.
Yeah as someone who had 45 bucks in a long time ago... I'm okay if only single player ever ships... Or even nothing
Had a lot of faith but this constant push back of 3.0 is making me rethink things... My 2 year old son might be plenty old enough to play by the time this thing actually comes out
Had a lot of faith but this constant push back of 3.0 is making me rethink things... My 2 year old son might be plenty old enough to play by the time this thing actually comes out
Yeah, it has gotten out of hand these days. I tried to keep the peace but it only went so far. After "don't feed the trolls" didn't work, people started escalating, and that momentum kept going. I'm just trying to explain how things got so riled up in the first place. Now that I think about it, I actually can't get into that any further, so sure, let's just go with me being a silly cultist who was just imagining things. Sorry about that.
Anyway, hopefully CitizenCon's a better showing. Like a lot of others, Squadron 42 was all I was looking for in the first place.
It's what many of us want. Just a modern Wing Commander.
You'd think they would focus on that and just release it and if it ends up good, then they'd have earned a lot of goodwill back.
People are skeptical for good reason and long hope fast with presentations like these that show clearly they've lost sight of the development of the game.
I'm not interested in the facial shit when your game has trouble keeping up 30 frames in multiplayer and going up any ramp could give you an explosion.
Haven't kept with the most recent updates but wondering is there an ETA for Squadron 42 final release yet? Or are they still doing modular work and stitching together as they go along?
As others have mentioned, I'm definitely down for a kickass single player campaign first with crazy bells & whistles while they try to nail the MP/MMO aspect afterwards. With a very heavy emphasis on afterwards.
As others have mentioned, I'm definitely down for a kickass single player campaign first with crazy bells & whistles while they try to nail the MP/MMO aspect afterwards. With a very heavy emphasis on afterwards.
No one fucking knows. Their site still says 2017 but 99% of the people in the community, even people with thousands of dollars in it, are coming to the conclusion that it wont be out this year.
It would be disastrous for them to not ship out SQ42 AND 3.0. They can do one or the other, and given that we haven't seen anything SQ42 related in two years we can be safe to assume that it wont be out this year. 3.0 will be rushed out by the end of the year if they have to.
Pureauthor
Member
Isn't SQ42 supposed basically be using the same engine, physic, flight model, etc as the actual Star Citizen, but for a single player campaign?
If that's the case then going by the Gamescom demo SQ42 isn't going to be ready anytime soon.
If that's the case then going by the Gamescom demo SQ42 isn't going to be ready anytime soon.
This reads exactly like someone unfamiliar with the internals of the project regurgitating excuses they were fed as to why the internals of the project are fucked.
Game runs fine when not under the strain of the servers, but I dont know if the issues with clipping are server related or general client positional errors that will follow the game offline. It can go both ways, the server might think that the player is going to a place it shouldnt be, force him out and then that causes the issues or it could be the client itself. If its the client then they are really fucked. If its the server then only SC is fucked but SQ42 can avoid it.
You dont know anything about project management, game development, public relationships, consumer protection, etc.
Damn, this does not paint a pretty picture. Thanks for the update.
Welcome to every Star Citizen thread ever. We're all reading tea leaves based on what we can see, and no one TRULY knows what's going on. Everyone is confident that their interpretation is the correct one and that the other side is deluded.
I personally think it looks like a slow motion disaster, but that's just like, my opinion, man.
Wait, you can request a refund? How easy will the procedure be? I heard it won't be that easy anymore.
If it's easy, or not too difficult, I would like to have my $45 back.
Just saw this. I read that they stopped doing this awhile ago, is it still an easy procedure or do I have to give a bunch of reason.
boviscopophobic
Member
You can follow the guide at https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/ in the sidebar at the right.
That's the problem though. We don't know anything about SQ42, but from the Gamescom presentation clearly 3.0 isn't ready. Say the game comes out December. We're at the end of August and being a developer myself, no way in hell do they fix all that janky shit in just 3 months while still trying to add all the promised 3.0 features.
I mean the game is having trouble standing up on its own in a heavily controlled, purely scripted scenario where a slight deviation could lead to unforseen crashes.
It's pretty clear the whole thing is a disaster. It's only the people who are emotionally or financially invested in it who are defending it.
I mean, the game sounds great. That footage of the capital ship landing and how people on the ground and in the air can look at all that stuff going on looked really really good. I would buy the game day one if it reviewed well.
And then that glitch with the buggy failing to get on the ramp happened. This was a demo prepared well in advance for a game that has raised more than $150m in funding and has spent so many years in development. All of that and they can't even make sure that a demo that will be shown to millions of people around the world is done perfectly? They didn't even do enough work in advance to know that the demo was completely fucked and switch to a video instead to avoid all that embarrassment? Instead, resources are being channeled into putting out all these fancy videos to advertise non-existent in-game assets and asking people to pay $2000 for them?
It's 100% clear this game isn't going to live up to its promises. It will be pretty amazing how much money they can raise before the welll runs dry though. Reading about the secondary market for limited edition ships is an eye-opener. I can't believe how well CIG has managed to manipulate people into giving them money based on distant promises and false hope.
I mean, the game sounds great. That footage of the capital ship landing and how people on the ground and in the air can look at all that stuff going on looked really really good. I would buy the game day one if it reviewed well.
And then that glitch with the buggy failing to get on the ramp happened. This was a demo prepared well in advance for a game that has raised more than $150m in funding and has spent so many years in development. All of that and they can't even make sure that a demo that will be shown to millions of people around the world is done perfectly? They didn't even do enough work in advance to know that the demo was completely fucked and switch to a video instead to avoid all that embarrassment? Instead, resources are being channeled into putting out all these fancy videos to advertise non-existent in-game assets and asking people to pay $2000 for them?
It's 100% clear this game isn't going to live up to its promises. It will be pretty amazing how much money they can raise before the welll runs dry though. Reading about the secondary market for limited edition ships is an eye-opener. I can't believe how well CIG has managed to manipulate people into giving them money based on distant promises and false hope.
Oh dude sweet.
Going to use the money for Yakuza.
When I first got into the game, it ran fine and everything is smooth, but now it's completely unplayable. Yea yea it's alpha, but since it will be in alpha for awhile, I won't be able to play it, kind of pointless to keep it.
Edit: Reading through the subreddit, seems like CIG aren't questioning or giving a lot of trouble for asking refunds. Kudos to them really. They've been active in providing development updates (whether it is progressing nicely), doing refunds and stuff. I'm so not used to refunds in my country.
If it gets better later, I'm sure they won't refuse your money, either.
Kudos revoked. They held out on refunds until the FTC and LA Attorney General came down on them.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/07/14/star-citizen-refund/
Only after that did they adopt the no questions asked policy.
Wow, damn. Definitely going to read through that.
But still, I was under the impression of them stopping refunding last year and after countless post or news about how CIG changed their T&C, I'm so lost. Hopefully I can get this $45 back easily.
If it's not too late. I'd say wait till the new year before asking for a refund.
mercenar1e
Member
/s
No Man's Sky shits on this logic.
Isn't that quote from a time before games were patched? If so, it needs to be retired or at least understood that while true in the past it may not be relevant to todays industry.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
/s
This is only flawless logic when Shiggy is on the actual project.
It's doesn't apply to any other games since ever.
serenewarfare
Banned
I'm not gonna request a refund on this, because I do want to play it someday and I only pledged like $40. But the fact that 3.0 just keeps getting pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed is definitely frustrating. I don't care about the "it'll be better for the delay" argument. That's fine logic, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating to see them constantly miss their targets.
LostCaress
Member
I guess that for $40 it's probably not worth the hassle, but anyone thinking about refunds, don't forget that if the game comes out and is good, you can always buy it then.
R_thanatos
Member
Since i don't have much info , i'll have to ask:
What is the penality for death in star citizen ? Do i lose money ? Do i lose all my gear ? What happens if my ship is destroyed ? do i lose it forever ? is it still on my hangar ?
That was a mission to retrieve a black box , ok . if i fail do i just respawn to base ? or is it dynamic and there are no do-over ?
Can anyone point me toward a place so i could have an answer to those questions ?
What is the penality for death in star citizen ? Do i lose money ? Do i lose all my gear ? What happens if my ship is destroyed ? do i lose it forever ? is it still on my hangar ?
That was a mission to retrieve a black box , ok . if i fail do i just respawn to base ? or is it dynamic and there are no do-over ?
Can anyone point me toward a place so i could have an answer to those questions ?
For character death: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/12879-Death-Of-A-Spaceman (note this one's pretty old, so some other stuff in here has changed since then)
Ships are replaced via insurance similar to Elite (don't take off without it), although there may be a time delay before a lost ship is replaced due to supply, etc.
Not sure about the various conditions for missions being failed or expiring.
This is only flawless logic when Shiggy is on the actual project.
It's doesn't apply to any other games since ever.
It also requires that we assume Wii Music wasnt delayed.