The Librarian
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I think it would be better than any new effort by Lucas, at least!
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I think it would be better than any new effort by Lucas, at least!
JJ is really good at coming up with ideas or getting them off the ground, the problem is he seldom follows them through or has any real conclusion in place. He usually lets other people take care of that stuff as he wanders to other projects.
Oddly enough I kind of wish Lucas had taken that path with Star Wars and the prequels. Bet we would have all been much happier.
Camera A and Camera B.....ugh.
Oddly enough I kind of wish Lucas had taken that path with Star Wars and the prequels. Bet we would have all been much happier.
Camera A and Camera B.....ugh.
Doublesith
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Wow, RT down to 82% already.
Out of 17 reviews
Tpthrlldragster
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So, supposedly this is tracking low. Like in the 75-85 million dollar range.
I don't think the marketing has been as good as the marketing for the first, but that's kinda surprising.
I don't think the marketing has been as good as the marketing for the first, but that's kinda surprising.
JetBlackPanda
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Interesting I think this movie will be pretty big once it hits.
Wag
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I don't know about overseas but they've been starting to show the commercials pretty much nonstop here in the States.
Just let people let their TNG nostalgia blind them to TWoK's score being a million times better. Things get messy otherwise.
Henchmen21
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TWoK's score not only isn't the best Trek score out there, it isn't even the best Horner score out there. I'd put Willow, Krull, or Honey I Shrunk the Kids over it.
The Librarian
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You could argue it's the best overall score, but my favorite tracks lie beyond TWoK.
Clone Outcast
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I look forward to this film and I feel it could stand on the legs of just Cumberbatch's voice.
CartridgeBlower
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The problem with the (somewhat) lack of hype on this is because of three things IMO.
1) The trailer shows zero story. Just action. The best trailers usually give SOME story, or the action is so mind-blowing that it makes up for it. That is not the case with any of the trailers we've seen for Into Darkness. While it looks technically capable, we've seen earth blow up in a thousand movies. Those shots aren't enough to get anyone truly excited.
2) I think all the 'mystery box' shit and all the toying with Cumberbatch's identity has worked against the movie. Just like it did with Super 8. This 'lets all get the fanboys talking and riled up' internet marketing strategy rarely seems to work as well as it used to. It's played out and too manipulative. People see through it these days.
3) They waited too long. If this movie had come out in 2011, two years after ST09, I don't think they'd be having this problem right now. But even for how well liked by the masses that film was...it seems strangely forgotten. People have moved on. The reboot feels like a gimmick.
1) The trailer shows zero story. Just action. The best trailers usually give SOME story, or the action is so mind-blowing that it makes up for it. That is not the case with any of the trailers we've seen for Into Darkness. While it looks technically capable, we've seen earth blow up in a thousand movies. Those shots aren't enough to get anyone truly excited.
2) I think all the 'mystery box' shit and all the toying with Cumberbatch's identity has worked against the movie. Just like it did with Super 8. This 'lets all get the fanboys talking and riled up' internet marketing strategy rarely seems to work as well as it used to. It's played out and too manipulative. People see through it these days.
3) They waited too long. If this movie had come out in 2011, two years after ST09, I don't think they'd be having this problem right now. But even for how well liked by the masses that film was...it seems strangely forgotten. People have moved on. The reboot feels like a gimmick.
It's just a shame that TWOK and TSFS basically were the crescendo of Horner's work. He's done some good themes and serviceable scores since then, but he just increasingly ripped off himself and other composers.
Goldsmith stuck to the tried and true in the TNG scores but he was always a more varied composer and better from a raw talent standpoint.
Not sure about the latter two but Willow's definitely in contention too.
Also in terms of Star Trek scores Eidelman's work for Star Trek VI is really underrated. Plus Robyn Miller inadvertently ripped off the main theme for "Riven", so there you go.
GameplayWhore
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The resemblance is uncanny.
He kind of reminds me of John Barrowman. Maybe they just snagged the wrong Brit for this movie.
lastplayed
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That's uhh.. quite a size difference.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You know Kirk's pride is at a low point when he see's that ship.
Never saw that poster until now too.
Bobby Roberts
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I think the difference in anticipation levels basically boils down to "Fun."
2009 - a Star Trek movie that looked like the Star Trek TV show but with a huge budget and lots of action seemed all sorts of vibrant and colorful and fun and even optimistic. There was a reason it lodged pretty firmly in the pop-culture consciousness that year, and it was mostly thanks to the idea that Star Trek was FUN again.
This does not seem like a fun movie at all. And even if it did, the title sure as fuck stops that in its tracks.
09 was brightly lit. It popped off the screen. It taught a bunch of fucking mouthbreathers what a lens flare is. It was eye-catching and it moved really quickly.
This looks dark, and grim. People are grimacing and squinting and frowning. Stuff is blowing up and everyone is crying.
It's no wonder that people aren't as excited to go check it out.
2009 - a Star Trek movie that looked like the Star Trek TV show but with a huge budget and lots of action seemed all sorts of vibrant and colorful and fun and even optimistic. There was a reason it lodged pretty firmly in the pop-culture consciousness that year, and it was mostly thanks to the idea that Star Trek was FUN again.
This does not seem like a fun movie at all. And even if it did, the title sure as fuck stops that in its tracks.
09 was brightly lit. It popped off the screen. It taught a bunch of fucking mouthbreathers what a lens flare is. It was eye-catching and it moved really quickly.
This looks dark, and grim. People are grimacing and squinting and frowning. Stuff is blowing up and everyone is crying.
It's no wonder that people aren't as excited to go check it out.
But this movie has the two primary trends filmmakers have been overdoing since they worked so well for TDK!
- dark, grim
- villain get caught in middle of film
What can go wrong?
Ultimately I think mystery surrounding Cumberbatch's character eventually caused people to not care all that much as other films like Man of Steel have ramped up their marketing. I understand why JJ wants to keep things under wraps but modern audiences respond differently than the ones from 30 years ago.
It seems like (MAJOR SPOILER)
has hurt a bit of the hype among hardcore fans.
- dark, grim
- villain get caught in middle of film
What can go wrong?
Ultimately I think mystery surrounding Cumberbatch's character eventually caused people to not care all that much as other films like Man of Steel have ramped up their marketing. I understand why JJ wants to keep things under wraps but modern audiences respond differently than the ones from 30 years ago.
It seems like (MAJOR SPOILER)
all the suspicion of who Cumberbatch is playing with the recent confirmations that he is indeed that villain
But this movie has the two primary trends filmmakers have been overdoing since they worked so well for TDK!
- dark, grim
- villain get caught in middle of film
What can go wrong?
Ultimately I think mystery surrounding Cumberbatch's character eventually caused people to not care all that much as other films like Man of Steel have ramped up their marketing. I understand why JJ wants to keep things under wraps but modern audiences respond differently than the ones from 30 years ago.
It seems like (MAJOR SPOILER)has hurt a bit of the hype among hardcore fans.all the suspicion of who Cumberbatch is playing with the recent confirmations that he is indeed that villain
At least for me, I was hoping they were actually going to do something different, instead of milking the old universe. Otherwise what was the point of rebooting everything if you were going to see the same characters, etc.
I think I will laugh if "These Are The Voyages" ends up being a better Star Trek story than this movie.
It could be two hours of hardcore Kirk/Spock slash fic and it'd still be better than These Are The Voyages.
That doesn't even make sense. The whole reason to reboot is explicitly TO see the same characters, etc.
That's uhh.. quite a size difference.
I am looking forward to this movie like crazy, but man this is the third star trek movie in a row where they face off against a giant black ship.
Bobby Roberts
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Maybe for the first movie. But a lot of the Trek fans still onboard after the first movie were honestly hoping that there would be new (ish) adventures featuring characters/villains that weren't just callbacks/echoes of old episodes and villains.
09 was there to cleanse the palate, and this movie was supposed to show the direction going forward. MANY were hoping that direction would be forward, without constantly throwing glances over the shoulder.
So on the subject of Cumberbatch's character, probable real spoilers here,
I'm sure. But I doubt anyone was expecting them NEVER to return to the well, and since they largely didn't for 09 (aside from it being a TWoK ripoff), it shouldn't really be surprising that this one did. Honestly, complaining about this is like saying TDK shouldn't have had The Joker. A reboot *should* revisit hallowed ground or you may as well have just set it after DS9.
I'm annoyed that it's Khan. It's too early and they shortcut to his need for vengeance and I feel like that was a plot better earned on screen. Khan's desire for domination perverted into a desire for revenge seems so much more interesting than it just being vengeance out of the gate.
The whitewashing doesn't help either. I mean really. Would it have been so hard.
The whitewashing doesn't help either. I mean really. Would it have been so hard.
I'm sure. But I doubt anyone was expecting them NEVER to return to the well, and since they largely didn't for 09 (aside from it being a TWoK ripoff), it shouldn't really be surprising that this one did. Honestly, complaining about this is like saying TDK shouldn't have had The Joker. A reboot *should* revisit hallowed ground or you may as well have just set it after DS9.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, that's definitely going to be a problem on some level, I think.
Nah, you're right, most definitely. I think people were mostly hoping that there'd be some sort of buffer between rebooting and returning to the well, so it wouldn't seem so opportunistic, I guess. (probably not the right word)
I guess it really was telegraphed when the news of Benicio Del Toro dropping out broke, but damn - his name is Khan Noonien Singh. There are actors available to match that ethnicity. In the 60s it was a minor miracle to get Montalban to play the character, I understand, but in 2011/2012? I know Cumberbatch is a name, but damn.
Nah, you're right, most definitely. I think people were mostly hoping that there'd be some sort of buffer between rebooting and returning to the well, so it wouldn't seem so opportunistic, I guess. (probably not the right word)
That's uhh.. quite a size difference.
Since JJtrek's Enterprise is already much bigger than the original timelines' Enterprise, how large is that other ship supposed to be? It's like a goddamned Sovereign Class.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That sounds better than what we're apparently getting here though.
Maybe in this future people are racist again and there is a touch of racial purity in the minds of the people who created the perfect human?
Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
Bobby Roberts
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Dreadnought, apparently.
I would suggest that the Joker is a different situation. Comics and superheroes have a tradition of rebooting and reworking its characters and universes. They're the equivalent of Greek and Roman gods, constantly changing with the times and being put into new stories.
It'd be like, does anyone really want to see Daniel Craig's Bond go up against the same scenarios we saw in Connery's films? Is there a demand to see villains like Dr No or Goldfinger redone?
Throwaway123456789
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You guys forgets that this movie is just as fun as the last one. Stop nitpicking about small shit like ship sizes. You'll never enjoy the movie if you do that.
Good point about Nemesis and Star Trek having similarly shaped ships but Into Darkness more crucially has a Federation ship! And not the Reliant which my subconscious was expecting. The way that they held the reveal of Cumberland's spaceship to this newest round of ads was fairly genius I think. The earlier trailers seemed so lacking in purpose in comparison, just vague montage, too Earthy. I have some degree of faith that JJ will deliver a fun ride that falls apart at the end, and I look forward to his second Star Trek movie before he makes Star Wars, just for posterity etc.
I hope the big ship makes sense. It seems weird that such a bigger ship than the flagship would be controlled by a crew of 1.
Still a bit annoyed by Kirk getting promoted from cadet to Captain and being given the flagship over the course of a few days. They should've ended it with a promotion to Lt. Com and being given the night duty shift for bridge command. The time skip to this movie could've easily been used to explain a promotion to Captain.
Still a bit annoyed by Kirk getting promoted from cadet to Captain and being given the flagship over the course of a few days. They should've ended it with a promotion to Lt. Com and being given the night duty shift for bridge command. The time skip to this movie could've easily been used to explain a promotion to Captain.
Throwaway123456789
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There is some doubt among Starfleet as to Kirk being a captain, as you will see.
And the big ship is explained - it's not controlled by a crew of 1, but is designed to be operated by a skeleton crew. It's a
Dreadnought class warship
SPOILER: It's not
Cumberland's ship at all.
The Librarian
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Agree and disagree. I can see where you're coming from, but Star Trek has a bigger playground than, say, comic book universes. Even in a reboot, there's no reason to rely on old ground, especially so soon and if you're not doing anything different or better.
Maharg, I don't know how much you've read about the film, but those two things won't be the most annoying things to you.
BlueTsunami
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Someone post a frame of the blonde chick that screams sexy body. I know it appeared really fast in one of the trailers and was all like :O
The few scenes we've seen of her also scream terrible actress. That's the last thing they need for a tough sell sci-fi movie.
Mengy
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Are you fucking high Sculli? It was an enjoyable okay movie that deserved to do better than it did, but not that good...
SquiddyCracker
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I agree with Scullibundo.
John Carter is one of the best adventure movies (Top Ten at the very least).
grimshawish
Banned
Ship posters are so much better.
Loved the clip of Benedict from GN last night too; Kirk is good in it too. Intrigued!
Loved the clip of Benedict from GN last night too; Kirk is good in it too. Intrigued!
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