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DopeyFish said:
Aliens was 1986
Alien was 1979
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Star Wars Trilogy DVD = Mine! (spoilers within)
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Aliens was 1986
Alien was 1979
Warm Machine
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DopeyFish said:er
i remember 1982
*looks at DVD case again*
That would mean Cameron made Aliens before The Terminator.
Chibbi Brady
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I just finished watching A Hew Hope and the DS attack's musical score is completely drowned out. No fancy surround sound for me, just have the telly hooked up to 2 decent speakers. It really throws you out of the moment, my favourite part of the film and score. The film frooze a few times near the end so I'm hoping it might just be one bad disc.
ZombieSupaStar
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god the coloring is so nice on this
distantmantra
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I went to Fry's today and got my copy for $36, it was insane, it reminded me of the whole Tickle Me Elmo fiasco a few years back.
I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch the films, the only thing I've seen so far is the Episode III preview featurette.
I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch the films, the only thing I've seen so far is the Episode III preview featurette.
ZombieSupaStar
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I giggled like a schoolgirl at the end where they slowly put the helmet on anakin with the theme playing
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Chibbi Brady said:
Could be -- I had to switch my DVD player from PCM mode (for Dolby Digital) to Bitstream, that fixed weird sound mixing. I don't think many DVD players have that option, though.
Oh also, The Return of Darth Vader featurette? I am now, officially, totally psyched for Episode III. I. Can't. Wait.
DarienA said:
How is that paranoid?
Three classic films can no longer be seen the way that hundreds of millions of people saw them.
If someone did the same to Citizen Kane, 2001 or Manhattan there would be an outcry with critics and cinefiles.
I guess the Star Wars movies really weren't the important films I thought they were, but just interchangeable commodities perfectly suited for eternal fiddling and upgrading.
I was hoping Lucas would redo the lightsaber effects in ANH and TESB. They look poor, especially in a ANH. and is it me, or did they add new sound effects for Boba ship?
Apart from that, im totally fine with changes, Greedo bit looks much better, the visual quality is amazing. Just watching TESB reminded me how great theses films are, the pupet acting in particular was so belivable.
Suprisingly, i never knew Goerge wanted Spielberg to to ROTJ, but i dont know of he could have done a better job. I absolutly love ROTJ, gonna see the new version tonight. Im itching to see the new documentries, but i promised myself i would watch them after the 3 movies.
I watched Empire of Dreams a week ago on Biography channel though, which i wouldnt have if i new they were including it with the trilogy
Apart from that, im totally fine with changes, Greedo bit looks much better, the visual quality is amazing. Just watching TESB reminded me how great theses films are, the pupet acting in particular was so belivable.
Suprisingly, i never knew Goerge wanted Spielberg to to ROTJ, but i dont know of he could have done a better job. I absolutly love ROTJ, gonna see the new version tonight. Im itching to see the new documentries, but i promised myself i would watch them after the 3 movies.
I watched Empire of Dreams a week ago on Biography channel though, which i wouldnt have if i new they were including it with the trilogy
Tritroid
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I got mine yesterday and so far I've watched through all of Episode 4 and halfway through Episode 5.
Impressions: Episode 4 looks like sex for the eyes in progressive scan. I had my doubts that it was going to be as crisp and clear as people were saying because the film itself is so old, but that first scene that shows C3P0 and R2 in a corridor of Leia's ship made my jaw drop, literally. It looks FANTASTIC. The sound is also great imo.
HOWEVER.
It looks like with Episode 4 there were some issues that they seriously should have cleared up before they released it. Specifically (and practically unexcusable) the green lightsaber during the remote scene. Everyone and their mother knows that obviously Luke's lightsaber (previously Anakin's) was blue, so someone please explain to me how someone over at Lucasfilm could have possibly goofed up so much as to make the lightsaber green in the remote scene? I didn't even believe it at first when DarthWufei told me that it was in fact green in that scene because it sounded so far fetched...but now I have seen the abomination for myself. Did nobody actually WATCH these DVDs after they were finished?
Also, there are highly visible 'boxes' around the TIE fighters in the Falcon escape scene. I didn't think these would be very visible at first, but my god, they are. Ranging from red to green, these boxes stand out like a sore thumb when on a black-space background. This should have been fixed, no question.
So I see only major problems with IV thus far, and V seems to be perfect in every way from what I've seen. (V was always my favorite anyway though, so it may be that I'm biased.)
Impressions: Episode 4 looks like sex for the eyes in progressive scan. I had my doubts that it was going to be as crisp and clear as people were saying because the film itself is so old, but that first scene that shows C3P0 and R2 in a corridor of Leia's ship made my jaw drop, literally. It looks FANTASTIC. The sound is also great imo.
HOWEVER.
It looks like with Episode 4 there were some issues that they seriously should have cleared up before they released it. Specifically (and practically unexcusable) the green lightsaber during the remote scene. Everyone and their mother knows that obviously Luke's lightsaber (previously Anakin's) was blue, so someone please explain to me how someone over at Lucasfilm could have possibly goofed up so much as to make the lightsaber green in the remote scene? I didn't even believe it at first when DarthWufei told me that it was in fact green in that scene because it sounded so far fetched...but now I have seen the abomination for myself. Did nobody actually WATCH these DVDs after they were finished?
Also, there are highly visible 'boxes' around the TIE fighters in the Falcon escape scene. I didn't think these would be very visible at first, but my god, they are. Ranging from red to green, these boxes stand out like a sore thumb when on a black-space background. This should have been fixed, no question.
So I see only major problems with IV thus far, and V seems to be perfect in every way from what I've seen. (V was always my favorite anyway though, so it may be that I'm biased.)
I watched New Hope and the entire Bonus DVD last night, and maybe it's just me but I thought the Stormtrooper voices were supposedly altered to sound like Jango Fett as well, I can't tell.
The Episode III game looks pretty good, looks like the first non vehicle based Star Wars movie based game that doesn't suck in a long time.
The Episode III game looks pretty good, looks like the first non vehicle based Star Wars movie based game that doesn't suck in a long time.
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Boogie said:
DS9 Worf would kick his ass, but not TNG Worf.
A true battle would be the Ferengi vs. Ewoks.
Watched all three yesterday.
The boxes on the tie fighters aren't any worse than they've ever been.. but yeah, they should have been erased..
han vs. greedo looks better, like an ugly chick looks better after a few beers.. it doesn't look anywhere near good but at least not as horrific as the original SE's
the lightsabers almost all uniformly look better except for luke's saber on the falcon.. yet another unofrgivable oversight
after rewatching the emperor's scene in ESB, I have come to the conclusion that the reason it looks weird is because his eyes are made to transparent.. his makeup is actually quite fine.. it's his eyes. they are hidden in the PT and in ROTJ they are red socketed and yellow.. they just kind of look normal in ESB.. I think that's because they are too transparent and get lost in the background.
Jango's voice is eh.. I liked Boba's old voice better but it obviously makes much more sense to use morrison's..
the jabba scene looks a million times better, though it doesn't make it any less lame.. they should have either left jabba out or removed greedo.. both scenes together are just redundant.
the matte lines aroung the rancro being gone are awesome.. it adds to the scene 1000 times.
the blackness of space in the first movie is like a relevation. previously it was always brownish.
these copies blow away the laserdisc.. and trust me.. I know. I've spent the last year or so getting the laserdiscs onto DVD (now double layer dvd) including supplements and commentary. The laserdiscs do look nice, don't get me wrong.. I mean brought in through huffyuv and compressed to a average bitrate of 7Mbps they blow away any copy of the vhs tapes I have ever compared them against.. but A/Bing it yesterday... not even close. they look like "ass", with ass meaning simply not anywhere near as good as the DVDs. So if you really want to keep watching the laserdiscs, yes, they will still look as good as they always did (which for the time was quite amazing). But they have been outdone, and outdone in a big way. End of story.
As for my thoughts on the SE's, some changes are fine, some are really nice, and others I just don't care about. 12 minutes of changes won't change my opinions on these movies. And I know that some day down the road, Lucas (or his kids) will release the original theatricals, they will look gorgeous, and that will be that.
peace
The boxes on the tie fighters aren't any worse than they've ever been.. but yeah, they should have been erased..
han vs. greedo looks better, like an ugly chick looks better after a few beers.. it doesn't look anywhere near good but at least not as horrific as the original SE's
the lightsabers almost all uniformly look better except for luke's saber on the falcon.. yet another unofrgivable oversight
after rewatching the emperor's scene in ESB, I have come to the conclusion that the reason it looks weird is because his eyes are made to transparent.. his makeup is actually quite fine.. it's his eyes. they are hidden in the PT and in ROTJ they are red socketed and yellow.. they just kind of look normal in ESB.. I think that's because they are too transparent and get lost in the background.
Jango's voice is eh.. I liked Boba's old voice better but it obviously makes much more sense to use morrison's..
the jabba scene looks a million times better, though it doesn't make it any less lame.. they should have either left jabba out or removed greedo.. both scenes together are just redundant.
the matte lines aroung the rancro being gone are awesome.. it adds to the scene 1000 times.
the blackness of space in the first movie is like a relevation. previously it was always brownish.
these copies blow away the laserdisc.. and trust me.. I know. I've spent the last year or so getting the laserdiscs onto DVD (now double layer dvd) including supplements and commentary. The laserdiscs do look nice, don't get me wrong.. I mean brought in through huffyuv and compressed to a average bitrate of 7Mbps they blow away any copy of the vhs tapes I have ever compared them against.. but A/Bing it yesterday... not even close. they look like "ass", with ass meaning simply not anywhere near as good as the DVDs. So if you really want to keep watching the laserdiscs, yes, they will still look as good as they always did (which for the time was quite amazing). But they have been outdone, and outdone in a big way. End of story.
As for my thoughts on the SE's, some changes are fine, some are really nice, and others I just don't care about. 12 minutes of changes won't change my opinions on these movies. And I know that some day down the road, Lucas (or his kids) will release the original theatricals, they will look gorgeous, and that will be that.
peace
Watched part 4 last night and I have to say I'm very impressed by how good it looks. It's unbelievable how clean it is. The Greedo scene is very lame. I always thought Han just beat him to the draw and shoots first, it's more badass that way. The should have changed the human being line to something else it justs sounds dumb to hear Han call Jabba a human being. My only other complaint is in a few spots the audio levels seem to change in mid sentence.
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AeroGod said:
I never noticed that in all my years until I was watching the DVD yesterday...I don't know if it was intentional or not, but there was even a sound effect for it, lol
I didn't plan on getting this DVD at all as Lucas has gotten rid of most of the good will I had towards him with the release of the new movies and his asshold stand of not releasing an unchanged dvd.
Then I saw the VH1 special "When Star Wars Ruled the World" and I was reminded of how fucking awesome this movie is. I promptly drove to Best Buy and picked up the widescreen version. Watched all 3 movies and loved it (even with some of the stupid changes). God, what happened to Lucas?
Then I saw the VH1 special "When Star Wars Ruled the World" and I was reminded of how fucking awesome this movie is. I promptly drove to Best Buy and picked up the widescreen version. Watched all 3 movies and loved it (even with some of the stupid changes). God, what happened to Lucas?
Yeah, no kidding =\Flynn said:
To say "Just get the VHS!" is pretty lame. It's like saying that the Beatles' original Let It Be should have been abandoned to vinyl, with only the re-produced album making it to CD and DVD-Audio.
Classics have to be preserved by continually updating along with the media....paricularly when the new media is going to upgrade audio/visual fidelity. Seems like most every other director understands this. Ridley Scott will allow a release of the original Blade Runner (eventually hehe), even though he hates the cut....
Warm Machine
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border said:
Just like Video Games
Ridley Scott is actually wanting to special edition Blade Runner by adding in and fixing effects shots. He also wants to do a new cut of the film as the "directors cut" was done over the phone and not by him.
Because they're digital, video games are already perfectly preserved in their original format (unlike VHS or Laserdisc or even DVD, which are not as detailed as film on celluloid). I don't think that classic games need to be put on new discs every time a different system comes out. It's not economically viable to re-issue Atari games every 5 years so they can't be constantly available on the commercial market......but let's not pretend that a film like Star Wars is really in the same strata of marketability as Missile Command. A DVD release of the original films certainly wasn't out of the question.Warm Machine said:Just like Video Games
Ridley Scott is actually wanting to special edition Blade Runner by adding in and fixing effects shots. He also wants to do a new cut of the film as the "directors cut" was done over the phone and not by him.
The 3 disc special edition of Blade Runner will include the theatrical cut, 1992 re-cut, and new director's cut (and maybe "workprint" cut). What I was getting at is that Scott is allowing a cut he dislikes to be put on the discs, as have plenty of other directors.
Prine said:
They had the same dialogue as in the newer versions, but Han pretty much just shoots Greedo in cold blood a couple seconds after Greedo says "That's the idea." Guess Lucas had the same idea as the director from Casablanca. The good guy can't just shoot first, it has to be in self defense.
just to nerd out and talk about 1 of the changes..
re: the extra emperor speech. i was trying to figure out what the intended point of that change is by lucas.. since it is star wars dialogue i am guessing the only way to take it is at total total face value.
So vader only just learns that luke is his son at that point. I guess this is to make him seem more of a good egg - In the originals when he meets the emperor they both act like they know full well it is anakin's son.. so i guess it seemed like vader is such a dick he had basically been going around trying to kill his son for the 1st part of the movie. In the new one he is surprised to hear it is his son and the 1st thing he suggests after that is making him an ally. I am guessing this is the intention of the change?
re: the extra emperor speech. i was trying to figure out what the intended point of that change is by lucas.. since it is star wars dialogue i am guessing the only way to take it is at total total face value.
So vader only just learns that luke is his son at that point. I guess this is to make him seem more of a good egg - In the originals when he meets the emperor they both act like they know full well it is anakin's son.. so i guess it seemed like vader is such a dick he had basically been going around trying to kill his son for the 1st part of the movie. In the new one he is surprised to hear it is his son and the 1st thing he suggests after that is making him an ally. I am guessing this is the intention of the change?
That's the logic that finalised my decision to buy the DVDs. Although, with that said, so far I'm pretty happy with the changes I've seen in ANH. We'll see how things go with ESB and RotJ (RotJ will always be ruined by that musical/dance number).FnordChan said:
Great Wasabi Man
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Just watched the first one...is anyone else getting odd audio drop outs that start around Alderain being destroied. One thing I noticed that was in all versions of EP4 the count down for the death star being in range is...off. 30 minuet count down. Then 15 minuets and the screen shows 20, 7 minuets and the screen shows 15. You'd figure they'd fix something like that.
I think it'm getting warn out on Star Wars...I was getting kinda bored watching it
I think it'm getting warn out on Star Wars...I was getting kinda bored watching it
I didn't get the dvd, but i saw RTOJ w/ that edited scene of Anakin.
You know, I wouldn't have a huge problem with Lucas replacing that part, but that Hayden guy is such a terrible actor. I mean, he couldn't just stand there and smile. Instead, he stands there with that "i took a dump in my pants" look. All he had to do was stand there and smile, but noooo.
You know, I wouldn't have a huge problem with Lucas replacing that part, but that Hayden guy is such a terrible actor. I mean, he couldn't just stand there and smile. Instead, he stands there with that "i took a dump in my pants" look. All he had to do was stand there and smile, but noooo.
My (very) short review of the OT DVDs.
ANH - 9/10: 1 point deducted for audio problems. I was happy with the changes and additions to it.
ESB - 10/10: Technically and creatively perfect... well, not 'perfect' from a technical standpoint, but close enough to give it full marks. I was happy with all the changes and additions.
RotJ - 8/10: Points deducted for colour issues with sabres during the Vader+Emperor vs. Luke scenes and the flight into the Death Star. I had creative issues with the musical piece in Jabba's place, which I thought was unnecessary and silly. Also, seeing the teenage Anakin ghost at the end looked out of place.
Haven't watched everything on the bonus disc yet, but I don't think there's much point reviewing that.
Although I've been an advocate for getting the unedited OT on DVD, I must say I could live without it now. This release is good enough for me.
ANH - 9/10: 1 point deducted for audio problems. I was happy with the changes and additions to it.
ESB - 10/10: Technically and creatively perfect... well, not 'perfect' from a technical standpoint, but close enough to give it full marks. I was happy with all the changes and additions.
RotJ - 8/10: Points deducted for colour issues with sabres during the Vader+Emperor vs. Luke scenes and the flight into the Death Star. I had creative issues with the musical piece in Jabba's place, which I thought was unnecessary and silly. Also, seeing the teenage Anakin ghost at the end looked out of place.
Haven't watched everything on the bonus disc yet, but I don't think there's much point reviewing that.
Although I've been an advocate for getting the unedited OT on DVD, I must say I could live without it now. This release is good enough for me.
The end of ROTJ wasn't so bad, and I thought the Jar Jar Binks scene could've been worse. But in the end, Naboo at the end made a hell of a lot of sense, right?
As for Hayden in the end of ROTJ, I know it's probably not his fault, but of the editors who did the scene. He hardly moved around a bit, hardly smiled, and just stood there. I hope if they ever edit ROTJ again, they redo that part.
That picture made it look better than it actually was.
As for Hayden in the end of ROTJ, I know it's probably not his fault, but of the editors who did the scene. He hardly moved around a bit, hardly smiled, and just stood there. I hope if they ever edit ROTJ again, they redo that part.
That picture made it look better than it actually was.
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ZombieSupaStar said:
So did I. I got the chills.
It sucks that
darth will only be in EP3 for 2 minutes
I really didn't mind any of the additions, most of them were minor and don't negatively impact the movie for me. The only exception to this was that stupid CG singer they added in Jabba's palace. I think that was added in the first edit Lucas did, but it seemed longer and even more retarded this time around. Everything else was fine IMHO and I am just amazed at how good the special effects look in this movie, I can't imagine what it must have been like to have seen them in the theater when they came out (except for ROTJ, my parents took me to that).
Spectral Glider
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1. The introduction of Han is as a smuggler, not an all out good guy.
2. The "vile" gangster's henchman held a gun on him with the sole purpose of shooting him, how was it not self defense?
3. One point of the original film was the revelation at the end that Han wasn't just all about money and himself, I always thought that was the point of him sort of concealing the blaster from Greedo.....it was a sort of to build up to a feeling that maybe you couldn't always trust this guy. But at the end, of course, we see that he can be trusted. Some of that just gets thrown out the window now.
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