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Star Wars Trilogy DVD = Mine! (spoilers within)
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Because the new one has totally awful CG and a terrible song? I also hated that it seemed like a fairly dumb referencing of American pop culture (R&B and big band traditions) that didn't really fit in the universe. The hokey trio of backup singers infuriates me almost as much as the laughably poor CG on Sy Snootles or the obnoxious vocals by that Wazo guy.ManaByte said:
Not to mention that the original number really was sort of a background element used for mood. The new number is a ridiculously bloated setpiece that brings the narrative to a halt...
Border has it right. The very function of that music number changed from the original to the SE. Originally it was an unobtrusive element that set the mood and the focus was nearly entirely on Oola and Jabba. The SE version puts the focus on the song and dance, with the interplay between Jabba and Oola being dropped far into the background until she gets dropped. The SE version is obtrusive and obnoxious and draws ridiculous amounts of attention to itself as an element that doesn't mix with anything else seen in the universe. To say that both versions are identical in the way they were handled and their functions in the movie is just dumb revisionist history.
SteveMeister
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Yeah, those --what-- 30 seconds? of new musical number in ROTJ totally ruin the entire trilogy.
Tell ya what -- when watching the scene keep a close eye out for Oola's boob, which pops out of her costume just before she falls into the rancor pit. See? something for everyone.
Tell ya what -- when watching the scene keep a close eye out for Oola's boob, which pops out of her costume just before she falls into the rancor pit. See? something for everyone.
Oh, and the weequay guys banging on those giant drums as if it's some sort of 1920's big band cabaret....that's also a huge groaner. It's all just a little too "cute", if you get my meaning. "Tee hee, the aliens are doing things like our society!"
If anybody has copies of the originals handy, it might be nice to see what the length of the original dance scene is compared to the new one.
If anybody has copies of the originals handy, it might be nice to see what the length of the original dance scene is compared to the new one.
Okay, I just timed it and the new music sequence is an excruciating 1:32.....though it seems much longer =) That's probably twice as long as in the original, though I can't confirm.
I find it funny that they brought back the original Oola dancer to shoot new footage, but didn't have her re-shoot the bit where her breast flops out. Not only is it an embarassing stain on the girl's tiny contribution to film history, but doesn't seem to fit in with Lucas' newfound "Let's cater to children -- constantly!" philosophy.
I find it funny that they brought back the original Oola dancer to shoot new footage, but didn't have her re-shoot the bit where her breast flops out. Not only is it an embarassing stain on the girl's tiny contribution to film history, but doesn't seem to fit in with Lucas' newfound "Let's cater to children -- constantly!" philosophy.
Spectral Glider
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border said:
You're right. The original lasts for about 47 seconds up to the point where Oola begins her struggle with Jabba. The original also has that line in the song that sounds like she's singing, "Abe Vigoda!" LOL, I kinda miss that.
SteveMeister
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Dan said:
I didn't put anyone's words in anyone's mouths. I was being sarcastic, just like you.
Great Wasabi Man
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I watched ESB today...that new emperor scene isn't that bad at all. It seems Vader is playing dumb and has his own litle sceme to over through the emperor.
I onley into the movies never read any of the book s or too deep into the story so whats up with that cave on Dagoba? When did Boba Fett become a fanboys wet dream I noticed in ESB he was just "the Bounty Hunter" with an unproportional head and in Jedi he gets a name 2 seconds before he dies like the 4th stooge...so how is he a bad ass exactly?
Oh my Gf just realised that Lucas didn't direct ESB or Jedi
I onley into the movies never read any of the book s or too deep into the story so whats up with that cave on Dagoba? When did Boba Fett become a fanboys wet dream I noticed in ESB he was just "the Bounty Hunter" with an unproportional head and in Jedi he gets a name 2 seconds before he dies like the 4th stooge...so how is he a bad ass exactly?
Oh my Gf just realised that Lucas didn't direct ESB or Jedi
Rocket Punch
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Great Wasabi Man said:
They're both playing dumb. It's the nature of the dark side. They both want Luke on their side to pit him against the other.
Great Wasabi Man said:
Luke struck the Vader apparision out of anger and fear, which are the dark side. The significance being that like Anakin, Luke has the potential for evil as much as good.
Great Wasabi Man said:
Two things, cool armor and SLAVE I (his ship)
Sure, but thats the same with the approach to Mos Eisley in ep IV. in the speial editions, they add lots of background hubbub, which is great, and some Jurassic Park style beasts to show off how good their CG is. So far, so OK.
But then one of the dinos rears up and a stupid jawa falls off and dangles by its reins. Pointless slapstick in the middle of what was previously a serious scene as they approach a deadly den of theives. Now its the bloody keystone cops?
Ditto. There is NO comparison.Crowza said:
The old lasers (definitive or "faces") look rather poor (fuzzy, blurry, color-muted - great sound however) in comparison to any properly mastered DVD but this Trilogy DVD boxset offers stunning picture quality that renders the LDs unwatchable except maybe on a small 27"-ish tube tv.
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Yeah I agree. Even with that super gay addition of the singing in Mos Eisley (think he might have added that in during the last release on VHS), the quality is simply out of this world. You could literally release this movie in theaters today and it would not seem out of place. Is it just a great transfer though or did Lucas do something to make it look better then before?
SpiderJerusalem
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I need my nerd license revoked, I didn't even catch that green saber on the falcon thing.
I need my nerd license revoked, I didn't even catch that green saber on the falcon thing.
Great Wasabi Man
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Prine said:
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I remeber telling people how stupid that was, but in thier eyes it was in the book so it was ok. I doubt JRR Tolkens vision was her to exclaim I am woman hear me roar as the action aand music stopped like some medevil Chief Brodie. I alos thought it causes a huge "well why not do this witht he ring dumbass" moment in the story. Yet this is a Star Wars thread so I'll keep it Star Wars.
I didn't notice very many signifigant changes in ESB or ANH at least not enough to cause the bitching about the special special editions of the DVDs that happened. Personally I think some stuff could have used more of a clean up and some mistakes could have been fixed. I haven't watched RotJ yet.
Warm Machine
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The flat lighting in some scenes of A New Hope is the main thing that makes the film look dated. Empire is certainly one of the top 5 best lit color films of all time. Up there with Blade Runner to be sure. Almost none of Empire looks dated today. The hairstyles are even pretty well perfect. Jedi has dated far more in the look department.
Rocket Punch
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So I was watching the prequel movies today, namely Attack of the Clones and I have to say most everything is great, I think the whodunnit aspect of EP 2 really works well. The the main problem with the new movies is the dialogue. Lucas has a way of making the dialogue sound overly complicated and unnatural.
I think Harrison Ford explains it better when he says that Lucas is a little impatient with the actors and wants them to automatically 'get' what the hell he wants his characters to do or say. I also get the feeling they took the script much to heart as opposed to the OT where the script was pretty much being rewritten daily until a scene felt just right.
I also think the mayority of complaints from the prequel naysayers has to do with the fact that the prequels are by en large not as exhilarating as the first ones. They are more serious and foreboding by their very nature. It's like the prequels are the dark trilogy and the OT is the light trilogy. They very much keep that tone throughout.
I think Harrison Ford explains it better when he says that Lucas is a little impatient with the actors and wants them to automatically 'get' what the hell he wants his characters to do or say. I also get the feeling they took the script much to heart as opposed to the OT where the script was pretty much being rewritten daily until a scene felt just right.
I also think the mayority of complaints from the prequel naysayers has to do with the fact that the prequels are by en large not as exhilarating as the first ones. They are more serious and foreboding by their very nature. It's like the prequels are the dark trilogy and the OT is the light trilogy. They very much keep that tone throughout.
http://www.theforce.net/jedicouncil/editorials/092904.shtml this link explains all.
let's go back to talking about mark hamill's nose, please. thanks manabyte.
let's go back to talking about mark hamill's nose, please. thanks manabyte.
Tritroid
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I think you have it backwards. I agree that a lot of the prequel-negativity stems from that trilogy not being as exhilarating as the original trilogy (which could change come Eps. 3), but I don't think that's due to it being the 'darker' of the two. If anything, the PT is the light trilogy of the saga, where it sets up how things were solid and peaceful in the Old Republic with the backing of the Jedi Council. The Phantom Menace introduces the approaching darkness, which grows throughout Episode 2 and then finally takes hold by the end of Episode 3. Episodes 4, 5, and 6 is the dark trilogy because it involves the Sith being in complete control of the galaxy through the Empire, with a small band of freedom fighters trying to overcome all odds. So I think that's why the OT is favored, because the plight of overcoming a great evil like the Empire is more entertaining than slowly watching a peaceful Republic fall.huzkee said:
well, did you ever do that audio video optimizer on the Star Wars DVDs? I'm pretty sure it's on all of them. If it's just a slight tint, then maybe a slight adjustment would fix it. Like I said, I really don't see any green on my tv.
Tritroid
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Yeah I've been through the optimizer like twice now. The first time through actually fixed the matte boxes a bit on my tv so I can barely see them now, but that green lightsaber is still there. I think there's only 2 color/tint correction screens in the optimzer anyway though. One is for bleeding, and the other requires some type of glasses which I don't have.
Yah that's true, he would probable say something about the color being a reflection of the users ability with the force. Like belts in martial arts. Luke is just white with a green stripe in in Episode 4. He moves up as the movie progresses. For the record I think it's an error and am just playing spin doctor.
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