ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
This particular statement was scrutinized already and I see no point of repeating these arguments.
Starfield is the fifth fastest-selling game across Europe this year.
He's reporting data. Just like people do for literally EVERY game. Why are you and others so obsessed with painting any achievement this game has so negative.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
You just haaaaad to go there!
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
5th place is an achievment for an earth-shattering new IP? The data is also skewed, that's the problem. But I've explained everything already, I see no point of sounding like a broken record here.
Gudji
Member
Don't worry special edition is just right around the corner.
ZehDon
Member
Then why do you have seven of the 59 posts in this thread?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Someone is trying to discuss sales in sales thread. The horror.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Not impressive at all considering it was the most hyped game ever and this is about first two weeks, not first week, of sales.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
You were comparing it with FF16. Hence, my question.Diablo IV and Hogwarts Legacy also had Early Access periods
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Not a bad showing surprisingly for Week 1 (a bit more with EA) in Europe. I mean Xbox Series isn't particularly popular there and it got beat out only on basically huge IPs like Diablo, Zelda, Harry Potter and Star Wars.
I am genuinely surprised. Let's see how sales sustain, but IMO, not a bad showing.
I am genuinely surprised. Let's see how sales sustain, but IMO, not a bad showing.
Mayor_McCheeze
Member
Congratulations on being 5th.
Chukhopops
Member
I don't know, Final Fantasy is a pretty well known franchise with 180M units lifetime sales.
In fact every game in the ranking is based on a huge franchise except one (ok maybe two with Dead Island).
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balls of snow
Member
Good. Now ms release Hellblade 2, Fable, Avowed to the same quality wise and you get some marketshare.
Hey, good games do make difference, who could have known.
Hey, good games do make difference, who could have known.
Horseganador
Member
"Starfield was technically on sale for longer due to the early access" So now we are comparing the sales of a game one week vs two weeks?
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I mean, is he wrong? The headline is about a game that's #5 on the list, which doesn't make any sense. Like what is the criteria?
Shouldn't the headline be that Hogwart's Legacy remains the fastest-selling game across Europe this year? And that's not even talking about the fact that Chris is comparing Starfield's 2-weeks sales data with other games' 1-week sales data.
Please answer it as objectively as you can.
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Europe is very PC centric so xbox series is unlikely to make a dent there and the GSD data is probably mostly steam/PC. I also suspect that FH5 was more popular on xbox even though Starfield is likely to have outperformed it on PC to rank higher.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Only the 5th? Well that's going to get knocked down at least two pegs by Spidey and COD, maybe 3 depending on if Mirage lights fires.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
- This is essentially 2 weeks worth of data, comparing with most other games 1-week worth of sales data.
- This also includes PC software sales, so Xbox's market share in EU is not a limiting factor.
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rhodesianshepard
Banned
It's definitely closer to 400 million and that is before marketing costs. Starfield was in development for 8 years with 500 Bethesda developers working on it. That is a crazy amount of resources dedicated to one game. It's double the amount of developers who made Horizon Forbidden West and TLOU2 combined
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What you describe is not reality. This is not an extra week of sales, these are early game sales.
The vast majority of those sales are preorders before the oficial launch date. Imagine the sense of buying a game to play in advance when the official launch has already arrived.
If there was no early game option, I highly doubt that the sales numbers would have been different because they are users who were going to buy the game one day yes or yes
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OuterLimits
Member
About as equally tiring as the console warriors trying to claim the game is a failure in every aspect.
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NikuNashi
Member
It wasn't day 1 on game pass though as these numbers start from the beginning of the early access.
Superayate
Member
Do you really think that 500 developpers has worked on it during 8 years ?? Stop with that, a small team was working on it at the beginning, it was only after fallout 76 release that the team has increased.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
- Two weeks sales data (Starfield) vs. 1 week sales data (FF16)
- Two platforms (PC + Xbox) vs. 1 platform (PS5)
NikuNashi
Member
83 meta critic and just scrapes the 5th best selling game this year for week 1 due to early access advantage.
This coming after Xbox hyping this to be their system seller, must have, game changer title. Not good is it?
Dr.D00p
Member
When it comes to Bethesda RPGs, it's always a Marathon, not a sprint.
The modding community keep the games in the public consciousness long after launch.
This game will still be selling for years to come in quantities that will ensure a very robust profit.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
It was if you purchased the Premium upgrade. Plus what difference does it make for people who wanted to play it on Game Pass and Game Pass only? It's not like they would say fuck it and buy the game for 100 bucks on the 1st or 60 bucks on the 6th. With (supposedly) 30 mil Game Pass subscribers, there are a lot of people who experienced the game that way and these won't be counted towards 1st or 2nd or whatever week sales.
It's kind of scary that Starfield is the only new IP on that list. No wonder everyone is playing it safe. Regardless of how we feel about the game, we should give Bethesda props for postponing The Elder Scrolls VI / Fallout 5 to make room for something new.
Your problem is believing that the number of developers who created TLOUS 2 and HFW are the officials of ND and Guerrilla when those games had support from others in large numbers, especially TLOUS 2...
Kokoloko85
Member
The game was meant to be a huge hit, commercial hit. The game to bring Xbox back. GOTY. Its not. Thats classed as failure
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
When you think how many copies those top 4 sold this year and that Starfield is on Gamepass...That is pretty crazy actually. I expect much salt.
Those people count by buying it for 30 bucks within those 6 days. Not 100 or 60 bucks. So yes a fraction of that 30 mil will be counted for paying 30 bucks just to play early. Then you have the additional week from steam/PC who paid 60 bucks plus the 14 days of 100 bucks payers being tracked.
It's both.
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Stuart360
Member
Dont talk sense. Pile in on the game or say nothing at all!.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
So in other words and like I have said before: 5th is a good place to be for a new IP that's also on Game Pass. Not bad at all.
Elysium44
Banned
The figures include the UK, in case people are assuming 'Europe' just means the EU. I looked at the article, there is no breakdown of the numbers by country so it could be that the UK is driving most of the sales for all we know.
Ginzeen
Banned
Not a massive hit but definitely a commerical hit. Too many Sony guys are pushing narratives that Starfield flopped but that's just their final fantasy.
Saber
Newd Member
5th place for their biggest IP doesn't look like a sucess when according to a good amount of people this game was either a huge hype(biggest tittle of year) or the game of generation(some claiming it would increase the number of Xbox sales). What is impressive though is how people twist this differently, just like MS do saying that nothing matters except a random chart for convenience.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
EA access sales are different than pre-orders, my friend.What you describe is not reality. This is not an extra week of sales, these are early game sales.
The vast majority of those sales are preorders before the oficial launch date. Imagine the sense of buying a game to play in advance when the official launch has already arrived.
If there was no early game option, I highly doubt that the sales numbers would have been different because they are users who were going to buy the game one day yes or yes
Starfield's sales data includes all pre-order sales before Sep 1 + sales between Sep 1 and 12. In comparison, most other games on this list only get preorder sales + 1-week sales.
JimmyRustler
Member
That is pretty bad for the first Bethesda title in 8 years… I know it's exclusive but still… I expected this to move more units. I bet MS thought too.
Sure it's done surprisingly well but that wasn't what you said. You said what difference does it make not being day one on gamepass and I said what difference it makes. It means a bunch of people who may have gamepass still paid to buy the game to be able to actually play it on "day one" and were included in these numbers.
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Kilau
Member
How many copies did those 4 sell in the first week?
OuterLimits
Member
Thank you for the quick reply presenting a perfect example of the tiring arguments I was talking about.