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Yeah I'm avoiding gyro precisely for the reason you mentioned of really learning to use the pad. I'm reminded of the years back when I was learning to use sticks and my aim was all over the place. Only thing now is that I feel like it's more than just practice that I need. The software itself also feels like it needs to mature, and some of the ergonomics need tweaking.
I've been trying to avoid using the left stick for movement and going full dual pads. It works well, smooth and responsive, but in faster games like UT it can feel like I'm on ice for now. I don't know where things will go in the future with other controller makers adopting haptic touch pads, but rear grip buttons are likely here to stay.
Tool to download controller configurations for use with non-steam versions of games.
Does anyone else have issues with the controller randomly using the wrong configuration? I play Rocket League with the controller, and occasionally (most often in the menus) the analog stick stops working, and the bindings for all the other keys change to something else. It seems like it reverts to the Desktop configuration for some reason.
Fixing it usually requires disconnecting and reconnecting the usb.
Fixing it usually requires disconnecting and reconnecting the usb.
Mind = blown.
Yeah the last beta update screwed me over. Are you saying opting out will revert?
But I like the beta updates! Decisions...
capylikesgames
Banned
This post is a bit vague, so I'll try to cover all corners.
I typically make sure I have mouse and left click bound when I'm playing something with a launcher. Works fine for me with Minecraft. If you don't need a mouse in-game, maybe set up mode shifting? If you need to type something in, though, I can see how that would be a problem.
In cases where the game with a launcher is modded, I usually try to replace the target launcher with whatever tool I'm using to modify the game, just so the game is booted immediately. With New Vegas, I renamed the original New Vegas Launcher, and renamed the 4GB allocation program that I use to take its place.
Also, if the issue is that you can't map keys from the launcher, remember that you can set your binds before launching a game. There should be two tabs when you select something to play, the latter should have "Configure Controller" in there somewhere.
Just what I was looking for! Can you upload configs, or is it a preset list curated by the developer?
Very similar to mine, but I used a touch menu on left pad/right grip for the functions you have on analog/right grip. I think I like yours better.
Oddly enough, I could not get the right pad to work as a mouse wheel like you did. Works in other games for me.
Yeah the last beta update screwed me over. Are you saying opting out will revert?
But I like the beta updates! Decisions...
Yeah as soon as you opt out Steam will update to the non beta version. You can always opt in later to see if it's fixed. That's what I'm going to do. You can switch between the beta client and the regular really easily so it's no big deal imo.
It entirely depends on what game is.
For instance, some Blizzard games can be linked directly (Starcraft 2 using the SC2Switcher_x64.exe), while with others like Hearthstone you must deal with simple scripts. Origin games need some little work if you don't want to deal with Origin itself each time. Games like the original Binding of Isaac just use the desktop config, so you can create a profile for them. And so on.
PeterVenkman
Member
Finally caved for Battlefront, and I'm definitely having a better time with the Steam controller than I was in the beta with the Xbox controller. Still mid to low on the scoreboard, but I feel more confident in taking shots with gyro at my side.
I was surprised at how simple it was to set with a non steam game. I've only tested mouse on the right pad - don't imagine I'd need a reason to even text mouse joystick in this one.
I was surprised at how simple it was to set with a non steam game. I've only tested mouse on the right pad - don't imagine I'd need a reason to even text mouse joystick in this one.
It gets from Steam. Like if you have AC Syndicate from uPlay, you can still get configs from Steam. Uploading isn't supported.
I haven't tried CS with the new beta update, but hopefully I don't have any issues because I'm trying to get gameplay for a new video. Every good game I've had recently has had some issue though where it records older gameplay, but not up to what I just finished playing. I lost a game of Dust II that I nearly won whilst using the controller and only an AWP; the gyro seems to give it some potential, but I was never very good with gyro / motion controls.
I think I'm also finding in a game like Deus Ex: HR that the gyro is helping out nicely by making pistol headshots fairly easy (on predictable AI targets). I think in some respects the aiming may have a slight advantage over my basic mouse because of the gyro.
It's kinda weird, but I feel like after struggling with new controls in a game for a while and taking a break, I come back to the game more capable than before. It seemed to happen in CS and Deus Ex for me.
I think I'm also finding in a game like Deus Ex: HR that the gyro is helping out nicely by making pistol headshots fairly easy (on predictable AI targets). I think in some respects the aiming may have a slight advantage over my basic mouse because of the gyro.
It's kinda weird, but I feel like after struggling with new controls in a game for a while and taking a break, I come back to the game more capable than before. It seemed to happen in CS and Deus Ex for me.
Can confirm. Same issue here. Portal 2. Everytime.
Nabs
Member
New Beta update:
Steam Controller
In-Home Streaming
Steam Controller
- Fixed a client crash when launching games that have native integration with the controller
- Fixed HUD visualization for large Mouse Region modes
- Added touch and outer edge bindings for Mouse Region modes
- Added outer edge radius HUD visualization for Mouse Region modes
- Fixed edge inversion not working properly outside of D-pad modes
- Increased outer edge radius configuration range to allow smaller radii
- Clarified Mouse Region scale settings names
- Fixed HUD visualization of completely flat Mouse Regions
In-Home Streaming
- Fixed an issue in the previous update causing unexpected frame loss, especially in D3D11 games
Kinky John
Member
Nah that's not what's happening. I just noticed that it only happens if BPM is started when Steam's already up and running in desktop mode. When you launch Steam straight into BPM there's no cut off.
Anyway, I'll stop shitting the thread up with this.
I'm not happy with the KOTOR bindings thus far so have also started working on my own. The top rated is broken as the guy has chose button pad bound to the stick for movement, when it should be dpad bound to stick sobyou can overlap movements properly and invert the outer ring to walk. "Analogue emulation" doesn't work well at all with KOTOR, so I'm assuming you are confusing the term and just mean using the stick for movement?
I've got the mouse region mode set to the lower area with all the item selections stuff when you mode shift the right pad. Works a treat when you understand the positions are absolute. Just working on the left pad which I'm thinking of setting as a touch menu, and also modes shift to another mouse region at the bottom left, for both character and chat selection.
Stranger In The Alps
Member
Picked one of these up yesterday. Wow. I can see this thing breathing new life into all my old favorites. It works like a dream, even if I've had to do some massive tweaking with the few games I have tried it with. I just spent a few hours testing and tweaking a custom configuration for Age of Empires 2. It makes use of the new mouse region feature along with the right grip for selecting building and military actions, as well as the left touchpad and grip for selecting and creating control groups. I just published it on steam if anyone is interested. It is called Strategic Bindings with Mouse Region Menu.
So I think I've got the KOTOR bindings as good as I can. I published them but they are not showing up yet; they probably will show up in an hour or so.
Left and right grips are the new "mouse regions". The mouse regions I set up look something like this mock-up, where the blue circles are the left and right touchpads.
The left pad is a touch menu, that looks like this:
Unfortunately there is no cycle action key for circumstances where there are more than one action to a slot, so that can only be done with the mouse. This is easy for items (using the right mouse region), but objects and combat actions have to use the mouse, after which point the visible action can be chosen with the following.
The rest of the controls are:
I love this set up after about a couple of minutes of understanding it, and most importantly uses the default control settings of the game. I tried other options and they just didn't work, or demand holding several buttons at once. The only gripe is if you want to cycle multiple attack options, you have to use the right pad as a mouse to do it, at which point the touch menu will do the visible action for each slot by default. That's pretty much as good as the game can get for now.
Let me know what you guys think if you give it a go
Left and right grips are the new "mouse regions". The mouse regions I set up look something like this mock-up, where the blue circles are the left and right touchpads.
- Right grip makes a mouse region in the bottom right of the screen, exactly over the item pane of 4 buttons, so you can cycle through those easily clicking the right pad to left click.
- Left grip makes a mouse region at the bottom left of the screen, shaped to cover the character pane, as well as for quick control of text options / chat. (This just one of the options you can use if you prefer it.
The left pad is a touch menu, that looks like this:
Unfortunately there is no cycle action key for circumstances where there are more than one action to a slot, so that can only be done with the mouse. This is easy for items (using the right mouse region), but objects and combat actions have to use the mouse, after which point the visible action can be chosen with the following.
- 1 - left action (when objects / people have multiple actions or in combat)
- 2 - middle action (when objects / people have multiple actions or in combat)
- 3 - right action (when objects / people have multiple actions or in combat)
- 4 - friendly power / force action
- 5 - health item
- 6 - non-health item
- 7 - activate mine / explosive
- v - solo mode
- F4 - Quick Save
- g - activate stealth
- tab - cycle leader (also bound to Y)
- F5 - Quick Load
The rest of the controls are:
- A - Default Action (chat / open / activate when out of combat - normal attack in combat)
- B - Clear last queued attack
- X - Flourish
- Y - Change Character / Leader
- LB - Previous target / object / tab
- RB - Next target / object / tab
- RT - left click naturally
- LT is right click / Look around when held (when not held the right pad is the mouse cursor.)
- Back - Map
- Start - Menu
I love this set up after about a couple of minutes of understanding it, and most importantly uses the default control settings of the game. I tried other options and they just didn't work, or demand holding several buttons at once. The only gripe is if you want to cycle multiple attack options, you have to use the right pad as a mouse to do it, at which point the touch menu will do the visible action for each slot by default. That's pretty much as good as the game can get for now.
Let me know what you guys think if you give it a go
capylikesgames
Banned
So does mouse region basically lock the trackpad to a certain segment of the screen? That's kind of neat. I hope one day, they add a toggle option to mode shifting. Having to press a button once to activate the area my cursor covers would be a lot more comfortable than having to hold it down.
If you use the "controller hud" function it will show you what is happening on screen. It is indeed locking the mouse to a certain region, which is a mapping of the trackpad. You can elongate it, make it bigger, smaller and put it anywhere, but it means that the positions you touch on the trackpad are absolute, so you can memorise the positions eventually.
As an example from what I said a few posts back, this is a mock up of what my left and right mouse regions look like in KOTOR - the blue circles representing the area of the left and right touchpads (there is a bug in 4:3 resolutions, so I can't show a screenshot)
charlequin
Banned
I'm even actively playing that game at the moment and they managed to both introduce and fix the issue in between times I booted it up, lol.
Would anyone else be willing to try to replicate a potential bug with mouse regions I'm finding with dota2? Basically make the left pad a region and bind it to mode shift on a trigger without another action bound. The cursor will snap to the region when you squeeze the trigger, not when you touch the left pad, making aiming a pain since your cursor is jumping all over the screen. I don't think that's the intended behaviour, though I'll admit my config is a bit ambitious and might need to be pared down to reality somewhat.
I've had this happen in a few games, but haven't noticed any commonality in button presses. I had put it down to beta quirks.
I will need to check if it is happening with other games, fallout 4 is the first I have noticed it in. I don't have a 2nd binding set for the start button. So it may be a bug with the controller.
Bl@de
Member
So...
The controller has been out for some time now. My local Gamestop has them lying around. I cancelled my initial preorder just to wait for user impressions.
I mostly play RPGs (cRPGs like Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity and aRPGs like Dark Souls, Risen, Witcher etc.) and sometimes action/horror (Resident Evil, Mad Max, Bioshock Infinite).
Right now I mostly play with KB+M, but I like my Xbox 360 controller for action/horror or aRPGs. cRPGs like Pillars of Eternity are mouse games. No interest in any controller here (mostly because of the text heavy UI and distance to my TV, but also because of the controls).
Now I'm here to ask if the controller is worth it? Build quality, config tool, etc. - All good or all meh? Worth the 54,99€?
EDIT: Additional question. Did they patch in usability without Big Picture mode? That would be very good.
The controller has been out for some time now. My local Gamestop has them lying around. I cancelled my initial preorder just to wait for user impressions.
I mostly play RPGs (cRPGs like Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity and aRPGs like Dark Souls, Risen, Witcher etc.) and sometimes action/horror (Resident Evil, Mad Max, Bioshock Infinite).
Right now I mostly play with KB+M, but I like my Xbox 360 controller for action/horror or aRPGs. cRPGs like Pillars of Eternity are mouse games. No interest in any controller here (mostly because of the text heavy UI and distance to my TV, but also because of the controls).
Now I'm here to ask if the controller is worth it? Build quality, config tool, etc. - All good or all meh? Worth the 54,99€?
EDIT: Additional question. Did they patch in usability without Big Picture mode? That would be very good.
Lol!!!
I think I've only had mine for about a week and I really like it. I actually wanted to get it as a replacement to my wired 360 pad and logitech f710 wireless pad (triggers are stiff af on that). I usually don't mind having to set up the controls the way I want and it feels like setup gets faster every time as I get used to the routine. Sometimes when I don't feel like configuring anything I'll just load up one of the already made ones either from the official settings, community or a template. To me, the controller feels a lot better than people give it credit for. It doesn't feel anywhere near cheap at all and all of the triggers, buttons, etc. feel great. It seems like they're still working out the kinks in the firmware and it'd be nice to have an ability to configure the controller when out of steam, but launching into big picture hasn't bothered me in the slightest. Oh yeah, and the pads don't even phase me like I thought they would. Using the left one as a D-pad for the RPG games I've been playing has been fine. The right pad, depending on how it's set up takes a little getting used to, but I was getting head shots in Fallout 4 after like 45 mins of playing and Fallout 4 was a bit rough to configure because it disables the mouse if it detects a game pad. The 1:1 mouse option + acceleration set to low and track pad mode off is the best way to use it IMO and moving a mouse cursor in a game feels very comfortable.
Basically it's succeeded in becoming my number 1 go to controller for my PC (which by the way I'm playing on a monitor and desk). If it broke in the future, I'd replace it with the same controller. I might even consider getting a second at some point in the future for multiplayer.
I haven't played Skyrim with it yet, but since I played Fallout 4, I would say it's better that a 360 pad if you are an archer. Hell, I guess even picking items on the flor would probably be better with the Steam Controller.
Jon of the Wired
Member
For Witcher 3 I'm just using the one of the default gamepad templates, the one where the right pad uses Mouse Joystick mode, and I like it well enough.
Just bought S.T.A.L.K.E.R in the sale and played it with a custom config. Hnnnnng it's amazing game is still amazing and with a controller it's fantastic. The top configs aren't great. Valve need to sort out voting soon. The top used ones tend to be garbage now bi have a few top ones that are awful but get used and it's annoying.
game is still amazing and with a controller it's fantastic. The top configs aren't great. Valve need to sort out voting soon. The top used ones tend to be garbage now bi have a few top ones that are awful but get used and it's annoying.For some reason I can't save my binding of Fallout 4.
Edit: I had edited my settings in offline mode because my ISP is shit and couldn't connect in the last couple of days and could not save. Now that I'm online my settings are gone and I have to start from scratch. Oh well, at least it's going to be faster now.
Edit: I had edited my settings in offline mode because my ISP is shit and couldn't connect in the last couple of days and could not save. Now that I'm online my settings are gone and I have to start from scratch. Oh well, at least it's going to be faster now.
DiscoShark
Banned
Anyone with experience with Elite Dangerous on the Steam controller? Is Gyro compatible with an Oculus-esque type look around?
Run Jump Stomp
Member
no need to worry it will be patched in about 33 seconds.
Valve patches SOO fast on the beta channel.
Nabs
Member
Heh. It's already been patched.
I think it works pretty well. I took the top community binding and tweaked a few things. I added gyro aim so I can get those headshots from distance, and I also added gyro lean because why not. I added Jump and Kick to the back paddles. Left trigger soft pull is now crouch, and hard pull is alt weapon.
It was patched on the same day they caused the issue. Really can't complain with that kind of speedy resolution