when I asked why so many posts, I didn't exactly expected everybody just to stop posting to keep that post count low
P.S. It is Humble Bundle day and i hope that we will see new one today and we can only hope that it will be good XD
P.S. It is Humble Bundle day and i hope that we will see new one today and we can only hope that it will be good XD
Humble PSN Bundle
1$ Tier: Journey, Retro/Grade, Axiom Verge
10$ Tier: Drakengard 3, NepNep 2
25$ Tier: An Autogram from Shuhei Yoshida
Regionlocked to Japan only.
You've heard it here first.
guys, guys, it's not a sale time yet! why so many posts?
P.S. It is Humble Bundle day and i hope that we will see new one today and we can only hope that it will be good XD
GOG's sale continues to be amazing, while Amazon is meh.
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autographHumble PSN Bundle
1$ Tier: Journey, Retro/Grade, Axiom Verge
10$ Tier: Drakengard 3, NepNep 2
25$ Tier: An Autogram from Shuhei Yoshida
Regionlocked to Japan only.
You've heard it here first.
hello!
I doubt it. I think no one is going to care anymore in two months. If the devs that are being "ruined" by refunds like Moorhead hate it so much they should go and sell their games somewhere else. Good riddance.I seriously hope the shit indies and press are kicking up over refunds won't make Valve change their minds. Just shameful.
I still miss Amazon Tony. ;_;
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Also, I think like there was a phase where steam sales were overshadowed by offers on Amazon etc, humble bundle kinda got overtaken by bundle stars and other bundle sites, I've certainly bought more from other sites than HB recently.
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I doubt it. I think no one is going to care anymore in two months. If the devs that are being "ruined" by refunds like Moorhead hate it so much they should go and sell their games somewhere else. Good riddance.
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HB store lost most appeal to me when they introduced regional prices. I used to buy a lot of games there.
Well that was slightly awkward. Requested a refund on Homeworld (needless to say people enjoy it but it just wasn't for me) and just when the refund was approved, I noticed Idle Master was idling cards for.. Homeworld. The game didn't exist in my library anymore but Idle Master had already begun running the game. Obviously I shut it down but I got another card already.
Not planning to use the refund feature often but I'm glad it exists now. I do think they need to figure something out for shorter games though. I enjoy short games just as much as longer games and the system will be abused because it exists.
one word introducing post? surely, you can do better than this
also welcome to this mad house
edited: I try to stay away from gog, to save me some money. It's not easy, I must say
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Welcome aboard.
If that's really possible, the card economy will tank so damn hard.Well that was slightly awkward. Requested a refund on Homeworld (needless to say people enjoy it but it just wasn't for me) and just when the refund was approved, I noticed Idle Master was idling cards for.. Homeworld. The game didn't exist in my library anymore but Idle Master had already begun running the game. Obviously I shut it down but I got another card already.
Not planning to use the refund feature often but I'm glad it exists now. I do think they need to figure something out for shorter games though. I enjoy short games just as much as longer games and the system will be abused because it exists.
Humble PSN Bundle
1$ Tier: Journey, Retro/Grade, Axiom Verge
10$ Tier: Drakengard 3, NepNep 2
25$ Tier: An Autogram from Shuhei Yoshida
Regionlocked to Japan only.
You've heard it here first.
Yes.seriously?
Yes.
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It's not the first time that he says something like this. If you hate your audience, do something else. I also don't think that simply making a thing, [I]anything[/I], and selling it on Steam entitles you to be successful or earn a living wage, which is something many devs believe. Making something that enough people [I]want to pay for[/I] does. If people don't like what you're doing you should probably find a different job and make games as a hobby.[/QUOTE]
wait, so lemme get this straight, if someone is unhappy with a new order, we shouldn't try to solve problems, and there are obvious problems here, we should just get rid of them, no problems to solve. Am I right?
If people don't want your game, they don't buy it, if they buy it and play it and then get refund, they just want your game free. And as we all know, people love free stuff, so in fact they love your game.
It's not the first time that he says something like this. If you hate your audience, do something else.
wait, so lemme get this straight, if someone is unhappy with a new order, we shouldn't try to solve problems, and there are obvious problems here, we should just get rid of them, no problems to solve. Am I right?
If people don't want your game, they don't buy it, if they buy it and play it and then get refund, they just want your game free. And as we all know, people love free stuff, so in fact they love your game.
this isn't true.if they buy it and play it and then get refund, they just want your game free.
That's absolutely what he thinks, and guess what, many artists can't live from their art. Boo hoo.Seems to me he sees himself more as an artist, then an entertainer. Which is fine, but Steam is a marketplace. An artist seeking creative freedom should find a patron, or make a patreon site.
Received my AC Unity refund money. Only took Volvo 2 working days.
I don't think there are any problems here, and
this isn't true.
That's absolutely what he thinks, and guess what, many artists can't live from their art. Boo hoo.
wait, so lemme get this straight, if someone is unhappy with a new order, we shouldn't try to solve problems, and there are obvious problems here, we should just get rid of them, no problems to solve. Am I right?
If people don't want your game, they don't buy it, if they buy it and play it and then get refund, they just want your game free. And as we all know, people love free stuff, so in fact they love your game.
GOG Galaxy is the future folks, I haven't played a game on Steam in a week, A WEEK!!!
Welcome tohell
Umm...What's up?
Why the name DwarfBag?
you don't think? I guess that makes it true and you saying that something isn't true, makes it so, gotcha.
Except there is no problem here. People are judging this system based on small data and acting all melodramatic. This is the most pro-consumer policy Valve have come up with since forever.
No we're discussing things here and I already posted why I think this isn't a problem before. Don't take this personal. You have zero proof that this actually is a problem either.
The refunds will take us closer to using DRM, and closer to F2P models. Both things I dislike. Its bad for PC gaming.
I like to live in your alternative universe where people are happy not being paid, for reasons.
The thing is live for a single week that is leading up to one of the biggest sales of the year. That's not how data analysis works. You can tell exactly nothing from the data.there were quite a few voices of unhappy devs by now, I don't need any more proof, do I? I'm not a dev, just being realistic and I know how people behave in situations like this.
EDIT: Derphttps://twitter.com/cliffski/status/607491581923500032
I mean come on now, this is ridiculous. Bunch of drama queens.
Yes.
It's not the first time that he says something like this. If you hate your audience, do something else. I also don't think that simply making a thing, anything, and selling it on Steam entitles you to be successful or earn a living wage, which is something many devs believe. Making something that enough people want to pay for does. If people don't like what you're doing you should probably find a different job and make games as a hobby.
Odin almighty, what's with hundreds of dlcs in the recent releases page, it's plain unreadable.
meanwhile on greenlight
an RPG with alchemy? Totally upvoting this
the guy's just weirdYes.
It's not the first time that he says something like this. If you hate your audience, do something else. I also don't think that simply making a thing, anything, and selling it on Steam entitles you to be successful or earn a living wage, which is something many devs believe. Making something that enough people want to pay for does. If people don't like what you're doing you should probably find a different job and make games as a hobby.
Stop saying this as if it's the truth. You don't know that.
People are going to make loads of money in the upcoming sale, like always. and refunds will change very little about that. Unless your game is shorter than 2 hours.
I'd like to live in your alternative universe where people are happy not being paid, for reasons.
Totally no problems here, from your perspective, I get it, I'm not talking about you guys, of course you have no problems with it.
People are comparing 180 days of potential refunds vs a few days of sales. Of course, the refund percentages are going to seem high in that kind of comparison. 13 refunds over 3 days when you sold 18 copies that day sounds high. 13 refunds covering a period of 180 days during which you've sold 1,000 copies is much less impressive.
For us, Day 1 Refunds > Day 2 Refunds > Day 3 Refunds. They're dropping each day and they're dropping fast. I don't know when the refunds/day will stabilize, but it's way too soon to draw much of any conclusion.
Considering how fad-driven the internet at large is, I find that the argument that people are getting refunds a lot more now than they will a week or a month from now quite convincing.
Also, at least according to Steamspy, total game ownership on Steam has increased since the new policy:
Just Cliffy being Cliffy.