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if i dump a few grand in ATVI before opening tomorrow is that safe?
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Woooooooooooooooot! Haha, never saw that coming.
Too bad I didn't increase my stake in the company. I still only have 140 shares:|
What's good is that when I bought the share originally, at something like 17.20 I think, I was aiming for a 27.50, and this is the share's price that is being discussed in the deal.
If only I had invested more in ATVI:| And really, I don't feel like selling...
Anyone think I should dump more in TTWO? Surely someone will just buy them anyway soon. I always thought ATVI would buy them later in 2008 or early 2009, it compliments the company nicely with their sports lineup. But now I don't know, I could see EA or even Ubisoft moving in earlier than expected, heck, maybe even Capcom!
Too bad I didn't increase my stake in the company. I still only have 140 shares:|
What's good is that when I bought the share originally, at something like 17.20 I think, I was aiming for a 27.50, and this is the share's price that is being discussed in the deal.
If only I had invested more in ATVI:| And really, I don't feel like selling...
Anyone think I should dump more in TTWO? Surely someone will just buy them anyway soon. I always thought ATVI would buy them later in 2008 or early 2009, it compliments the company nicely with their sports lineup. But now I don't know, I could see EA or even Ubisoft moving in earlier than expected, heck, maybe even Capcom!
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WasteLand Soldier said:
You can't do that really, if you buy at market price chances are it will open at around 27 so you'll pay 27 a share anyway. If you put a stop order at let's say 23 it won't go through because by 7am tomorrow morning it will already be higher. If we could do that we'd all be rich
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Soka said:
Ubisoft has been on a steady rise since December 2004, when EA bought a large stake in the company. It hasn't stopped going up since, went all the way to around 57 euro, stock was split to 25 euro around a year ago, and has gone all the way back up to 59 (will hit 60 tomorrow for sure). It's very expensive now tho, and at an all-time high.
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Bah it's ok, I'm losing money on everything else anyway! ATVI has been the only stock that held in the gains since I bought it. I'm not even gonna sell anyway. We'll see where Activision Blizzard takes me from here
EDIT: BTW I think it would be a big mistake by EA if they bought Ubisoft. The company doesn't compliment their portfolio at all, it relies heavily on the Montreal studio and the top talent at the Montreal studio do not want to work for EA (nobody does really). Now that Eidos is here, if EA bought Ubisoft there would be a LOT of employees that would leave for Eidos, which would be great for Eidos but a major loss for EA (and EA knows that, which is why they once mentioned that for Ubi to be a potential buy they have to make sure they can keep the employees for a long long time, which is really not going to happen, or that the major series can continue to be a success on their own without the need of the staff, again very unlikely). Anyway if it happens, you can bet that:
#1- The incentives given by Montreal would be reviewed because EA already has a studio here.
#2- Eidos would benefit because nobody in the dev teams want to work for EA, and people like the idea of fresh change so they would enjoy the challenge of going to work for a whole new studio that isn't from EA (Eidos).
#3- A lot of the top staff are French, they are already used at the idea of working overseas; you can expect a lot of them to leave for wherever they would want to work at.
#4- EA will be unable to keep the big series like Rainbow 6, Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia, as top sellers. The quality will go down and people will move to other series.
Disney would be more likely to buy Ubisoft as far as I'm concerned In fact I'm gonna keep an eye on DIS, I didn't know they were trading in the 30s.
ATVI has been the only stock that held in the gains since I bought it. I'm not even gonna sell anyway. We'll see where Activision Blizzard takes me from hereEDIT: BTW I think it would be a big mistake by EA if they bought Ubisoft. The company doesn't compliment their portfolio at all, it relies heavily on the Montreal studio and the top talent at the Montreal studio do not want to work for EA (nobody does really). Now that Eidos is here, if EA bought Ubisoft there would be a LOT of employees that would leave for Eidos, which would be great for Eidos but a major loss for EA (and EA knows that, which is why they once mentioned that for Ubi to be a potential buy they have to make sure they can keep the employees for a long long time, which is really not going to happen, or that the major series can continue to be a success on their own without the need of the staff, again very unlikely). Anyway if it happens, you can bet that:
#1- The incentives given by Montreal would be reviewed because EA already has a studio here.
#2- Eidos would benefit because nobody in the dev teams want to work for EA, and people like the idea of fresh change so they would enjoy the challenge of going to work for a whole new studio that isn't from EA (Eidos).
#3- A lot of the top staff are French, they are already used at the idea of working overseas; you can expect a lot of them to leave for wherever they would want to work at.
#4- EA will be unable to keep the big series like Rainbow 6, Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia, as top sellers. The quality will go down and people will move to other series.
Disney would be more likely to buy Ubisoft as far as I'm concerned
In fact I'm gonna keep an eye on DIS, I didn't know they were trading in the 30s.Eh, I'll bite. I was considering ATVI for a while, so this recent news has me kicking myself. Ether_Snake, I'm considering getting options on TTWO. This would be my first investment in a video game company, and I haven't really done my due diligence. ATVI has a bit of a rocky history to say the least, but what do you know about Zelnick? He's already stated that he's not interested in selling, and he apparently has a reputation for turning faltering companies around.
Anyway, I'm still considering ATVI and even NTDOY. NTDOY is way up there right now, but I can't help but think that they're going to explode with Wii Fit.
Anyway, I'm still considering ATVI and even NTDOY. NTDOY is way up there right now, but I can't help but think that they're going to explode with Wii Fit.
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Zelnick is saying (IMO) indirectly that currently the offers they have been getting are not worth what the company is worth to his eyes (everyone probably lowballed them, especially with GTA's delay). So it doesn't mean he doesn't want to sell, I'm 100% sure that this is the goal of the management. But he wants to put the company on a better stand so the offers they will get will be more reflective of the company's worth.
Now with the purchase of ATVI, more attention will be brought to what I consider a very undervalued market. Ubisoft was already saying that when it comes to mergers/acquisitions they are not in discussions only with EA but instead with bigger players (they don't say who specifically, but they were hinting at huge companies like Disney, Time Warner, etc.). So I believe that instead of wondering who EA will buy next, we have to consider that the video game sector as a whole is being looked at by companies who were undervaluing it until now. It has become clear that video games are a constantly growing sector, that there is a lot more space for continued growth, and that it is rather stable compared to other sectors. It won't be long IMO before the game sector is swallowed by the major media conglomerates, the Disneys and Time Warners, News Corp., etc.
I don't know if this sudden merger will hasten things for Take2, but I think it is 100% sure they will be bought by the end of 2008 or early 2009 as I said in previous posts, because I think that it will take more or less that long for Zelnick to consider the company as being fully stable and hence for offers to be decent enough. They are the only ones that compete against EA on the sports front, even if EA remains the definite #1 in that market, so it makes the company very interesting to others and in a way less complimentary to EA. Altho it's not impossible that suddenly Take2 would get a sudden "good" offer simply because of what is happening, which means as far as I know Take2 could be bought next week But I'm sure they will be bought, 100% sure, by at the latest early 2009.
Now with the purchase of ATVI, more attention will be brought to what I consider a very undervalued market. Ubisoft was already saying that when it comes to mergers/acquisitions they are not in discussions only with EA but instead with bigger players (they don't say who specifically, but they were hinting at huge companies like Disney, Time Warner, etc.). So I believe that instead of wondering who EA will buy next, we have to consider that the video game sector as a whole is being looked at by companies who were undervaluing it until now. It has become clear that video games are a constantly growing sector, that there is a lot more space for continued growth, and that it is rather stable compared to other sectors. It won't be long IMO before the game sector is swallowed by the major media conglomerates, the Disneys and Time Warners, News Corp., etc.
I don't know if this sudden merger will hasten things for Take2, but I think it is 100% sure they will be bought by the end of 2008 or early 2009 as I said in previous posts, because I think that it will take more or less that long for Zelnick to consider the company as being fully stable and hence for offers to be decent enough. They are the only ones that compete against EA on the sports front, even if EA remains the definite #1 in that market, so it makes the company very interesting to others and in a way less complimentary to EA. Altho it's not impossible that suddenly Take2 would get a sudden "good" offer simply because of what is happening, which means as far as I know Take2 could be bought next week
But I'm sure they will be bought, 100% sure, by at the latest early 2009.Ether_Snake, interesting take on the industry.
I like Take-Two for 2K and 2K Sports, but I feel that Rockstar Games is too much of a loose cannon. Regardless, they certainly do have some very attractive IPs.
What's your take on Nintendo? The current scary-high price makes me feel like it's too much of a risk with the potential for a correction, but the upcoming months should see some incredible sales numbers. And again, I am confident that Wii Fit will bust the doors wide open.
I like Take-Two for 2K and 2K Sports, but I feel that Rockstar Games is too much of a loose cannon. Regardless, they certainly do have some very attractive IPs.
What's your take on Nintendo? The current scary-high price makes me feel like it's too much of a risk with the potential for a correction, but the upcoming months should see some incredible sales numbers. And again, I am confident that Wii Fit will bust the doors wide open.
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I wonder if under Zelnick Rockstar will stop making controversial games other than GTA. I mean it hasn't paid off with Manhunt, I felt it had a negative impact on the shares (like when Bully was about to be released). I think they know they can't rely too much on shock factor anymore with the AO rating they were first given.
As for Nintendo I never bought any shares and some people here know I'm not very optimistic about the Wii, but that's just my opinion. I don't recommend that you listen to anything I say about Nintendo I believe a lot in the DS and any future handheld device from Nintendo, but I don't believe in the long term success of the Wii itself.
EDIT: Oh and btw the only reason I don't have much faith in the Wii is because I feel third parties are always crushed by Nintendo on their own console, whatever the reasons may be, and as such until the Wii is more open to third party success I will keep this position.
As for Nintendo I never bought any shares and some people here know I'm not very optimistic about the Wii, but that's just my opinion. I don't recommend that you listen to anything I say about Nintendo
I believe a lot in the DS and any future handheld device from Nintendo, but I don't believe in the long term success of the Wii itself.EDIT: Oh and btw the only reason I don't have much faith in the Wii is because I feel third parties are always crushed by Nintendo on their own console, whatever the reasons may be, and as such until the Wii is more open to third party success I will keep this position.
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gkrykewy said:
I'm not sure you can trade it on the NYSE.
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As tempting as the sell button is getting, one has to hold on for dear life at this point. It's only going to go through the roof.
Holy crap at ATVI. =(
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I dunno, man, I'm very seriously considering selling the remainder of my shares and buying back in on the next dip. I think that at the $75-80 price level, WiiFit success and record console sales are already priced in. If this goes to $78.50 or so (equalling its all time high from October), I believe I will sell. I do not see much further price growth in the current broader market condition.
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Woot, TTWO up 9.X% as of now. ATVI isn't going up as much as it could right now, I was expecting +20% but markets went down. It's fine tho. I'll have some money soon and I'm hesitating between more CGT shares or more ATVI.
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I'm holding. I bought at the end of July, at 18.27 (I think I mentioned August at 17.50 before, my mistake), and I don't plan to sell for a long long time. If I feel the company is heading in a bad direction, I'll sell, but this is far away. The sad thing is, I need to increase my stake, and currently the price is a bit high for me, and this is happening at a time where I have to be really careful about my investments. The drop today was not just profit taking, but also a drop caused by the overall market. I might buy more this week, as you said it may go down a bit especially with the state of the market. But again, I would keep it all for a long time. When I bought at 18.27, I was aiming 27.50. Now this changes everything, I don't know what to value it anymore, so I'll just keep for a long time. The only thing that really drives me to sell actions is when a company doesn't do good business, not merely on share price. And I don't see why Activision Blizzard couldn't go in the 40s. ATVI alone would have been worth high 20s, more even. They could have been able to take over EA's lead on their own if they would have acquired TTWO, eventually, and if EA continued to screw up.
Take2 went up 8.68% today. I bought those in late August at 15.20, missed my chance to sell in late October, but again I'm holding. I could sell and re-buy in this case, when I bought them I was aiming for somewhere around $22 to $24 before selling. Now with what is happening, I am keeping until again I feel the company isn't on tracks anymore. I am 100% sure they will sell eventually, and probably after some good production and publishing refinements brought by the new management. I might sell and re-buy if I feel it can be worth it, but chances are I'll just hold onto what I have, and increase on a big dip like the one they just had.
BTW Ubisoft went up again, another all-time high for them, + 5.28 % to 62.65. I'm not buying tho, too expensive for me. Altho I think they too will be looked at by Time Warner/Disney/News. Corp/Viacom, etc.
Take2 went up 8.68% today. I bought those in late August at 15.20, missed my chance to sell in late October, but again I'm holding. I could sell and re-buy in this case, when I bought them I was aiming for somewhere around $22 to $24 before selling. Now with what is happening, I am keeping until again I feel the company isn't on tracks anymore. I am 100% sure they will sell eventually, and probably after some good production and publishing refinements brought by the new management. I might sell and re-buy if I feel it can be worth it, but chances are I'll just hold onto what I have, and increase on a big dip like the one they just had.
BTW Ubisoft went up again, another all-time high for them, + 5.28 % to 62.65. I'm not buying tho, too expensive for me. Altho I think they too will be looked at by Time Warner/Disney/News. Corp/Viacom, etc.
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I hope I'm not the origin of that rumor:lol You never know, maybe some analysts are reading NeoGAF
I'm up around +36.3% total on ATVI. But yeah I'm keeping.
The one stock I own and am extremely unsure of is IMMR. CGT is hurting me too, but I have really high confidence in them, and I really can't explain why they would be low other than the CAD being high or the market dragging them down. It's very long term anyway.
But IMMR, even tho I believe that haptics will continue to grow in importance, I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in them. I'll wait till next fiscal results to get a better idea.
EDIT: BTW what's great right now is that ATVI and TTWO are both going up while the stock market is going down, so when there will be a Nasdaq/Dow/S&P rally, they should go higher.
I'm up around +36.3% total on ATVI. But yeah I'm keeping.
The one stock I own and am extremely unsure of is IMMR. CGT is hurting me too, but I have really high confidence in them, and I really can't explain why they would be low other than the CAD being high or the market dragging them down. It's very long term anyway.
But IMMR, even tho I believe that haptics will continue to grow in importance, I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in them. I'll wait till next fiscal results to get a better idea.
EDIT: BTW what's great right now is that ATVI and TTWO are both going up while the stock market is going down, so when there will be a Nasdaq/Dow/S&P rally, they should go higher.
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What the... we have a major rally and ATVI goes down a few %
Oh well, TTWO up, and CGT is currently up 8%
Oh well, TTWO up, and CGT is currently up 8%
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Go go Gamestop! GME got added to the S&P500 and got a nice little bump along with some target price increases. Fund managers seek to buy into stocks as soon as they hit the major indexes to make sure they have full coverage, so this is fantastic news. Been a great week of trading!
AAPL hit a new all-time high today, it would appear. Closed very close to it at least.
AAPL hit a new all-time high today, it would appear. Closed very close to it at least.
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I have been keeping VIP (Vimpel-Communications, Russian telecom company) on watch for some time but sadly it's too late. They are in talks to acquire Golden Telecom and the share's price has gove from around 33 to close to 39 in 5 days. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=VIP
Anyway I have nothing new on my watch list. INTC is interesting, but I have no funds, and additional funds will probably go to ATVI.
Anyway I have nothing new on my watch list. INTC is interesting, but I have no funds, and additional funds will probably go to ATVI.
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What a shitty closing! Argh!
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I'm up over 35% on ATVI, but IMMR is hurting me.
TTWO, I could have made good money when they reached over 20 a few weeks ago (if I recall right), but I'm confident in them.
Damn IMMR tho, they get hit real hard whenever the markets go down. Yesterday they dropped almost 8%. Bought them at the wrong time, totally.
CGT is alright, I haven't lose anything on them and it's very long term anyway. Major faith in them.
STP, SPWR, FSLR, wow. Too bad I'm not holding any. But I don't know much about that sector. Interesting to keep an eye on tho, unlike corn or such alternative fuels, solar isn't going to be suddenly shunned for ever, it's not an energy source that could be doubted or rebuked in the end. It's just a question of efficiency, and efficiency will surely continue to speed up. Plus it's an energy source available to all, so it's very independent and not relying on crops and such.
TTWO, I could have made good money when they reached over 20 a few weeks ago (if I recall right), but I'm confident in them.
Damn IMMR tho, they get hit real hard whenever the markets go down. Yesterday they dropped almost 8%. Bought them at the wrong time, totally.
CGT is alright, I haven't lose anything on them and it's very long term anyway. Major faith in them.
STP, SPWR, FSLR, wow. Too bad I'm not holding any. But I don't know much about that sector. Interesting to keep an eye on tho, unlike corn or such alternative fuels, solar isn't going to be suddenly shunned for ever, it's not an energy source that could be doubted or rebuked in the end. It's just a question of efficiency, and efficiency will surely continue to speed up. Plus it's an energy source available to all, so it's very independent and not relying on crops and such.
I still think it's just natural profit-taking on NTDOY. People run it up and cash out. I still think I'll make more money just hanging on, rolling with the occasional dip, and waiting for the long-term tax rate (think I bought in January of this year, IIRC. Of course I've been pouring more in all year, too). I don't see any reason to believe they won't sell out anything they make over the holiday, and run the price up again with a blistering January earnings report.
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A lot of stocks are a bargain right now, the problem is the overall markets. It can bring any lows lower.
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Yeah tempting for me to sell but I'm holding.
Ubisoft is raising is guidance because Assassin's Creed is selling better than expected and they are now estimating 5million units to be sold eventually, plus a few games got delayed to next year.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8335&Itemid=2
Ubisoft is raising is guidance because Assassin's Creed is selling better than expected and they are now estimating 5million units to be sold eventually, plus a few games got delayed to next year.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8335&Itemid=2
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Ubisoft went up 10.41% today.
http://www.boursier.com/vals/FR/FR0000054470-cours-ubisoft.html
Crazy! And 65,57 ! I cry, everytime I think of the day I was planning to buy the stock a week or so before EA bought its stake in the company (which was a coincidence).
Watch: :~(
TTWO up 4.64%
STP up 4.46%
http://www.boursier.com/vals/FR/FR0000054470-cours-ubisoft.html
Crazy! And 65,57 ! I cry, everytime I think of the day I was planning to buy the stock a week or so before EA bought its stake in the company (which was a coincidence).
Watch: :~(
TTWO up 4.64%
STP up 4.46%
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Fuzzery said:
I wanted to buy UBI in early December 2004, but I thought "ah, I know nothing about this stuff, screw it". Two weeks later EA bought 20% of Ubi's shares, and it has been going up since. Since then, I never bought any Ubi stock, but in late summer 2005 I bought my first shares, which were of 100 of ATVI. A few months later, I bought 100 of TTWO, I think in October, I forget. Around a year later or so I sold both at the same time, for no reason really, I was very bad at the whole trading thing (I'm not great at it by any means, but I've learned a lot since). I lost maybe 50$ on ATVI but made up on TTWO's gains, for a total gain of around $500:lol
After that it took almost another year (last July) before I got into this again. I bought my 140 ATVI shares, been up since, and 140 TTWO shares a month later or so. Then the 140 (why that number I don't know) IMMR purchase, which had nothing to do with video games (even tho they make the rumble tech, it wasn't related), and then 200 of CGT.
ATVI and TTWO have been my only winners, but since I don't invest a lot of money I don't win a lot. And I never sold any stock since that initial sell back when I sold for no reason.
On $2558 a investment in ATVI, I have a $1183 gain. On TTWO I only have like, around $280 gain for a $2128 investment. Could have made more a couple of weeks ago but missed my chance. I was originally also aiming for a share price on ATVI of 27.50 before selling, which is coincidentally what Vivendi will buy ATVI's for
But now I'm holding, and my previous goal of around $22 to $24 on TTWO is uncertain because I think I'll hold till they get bought.Oh and a couple of months ago in May I think, me and my friends had a special deal from Ubisoft when it was trading at 35% (because we work there), we could buy them at something like -5% I think. I told my friends who asked me if it would go up, because they were told it was at its highest and the Euro was very strong, etc., I said "yeah, 45 euro in 12 months". Turns out it took a couple of weeks
After 7 months it's almost doubled.Of course, I bought none. Don't ask why, I don't get it myself.
So really, with VG stocks I only made $500 so far. I'm a long term investor, and I don't invest a lot, but I like the game