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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!

Dynasty8

Member
For my fellow day traders...What are some strategies I should use or be aware of when entering a day trade?

Just trying to understand what gives people confidence in a stock temporarily going higher than normal for the given day. I am looking to make at least $1k profit a day if possible, and I know it'll require a bigger risk.

Just for context, here's what I did last week and yesterday.

March 2nd: I put $29k into RKT at $29 a share (1,000 shares). It jumped to $43 that same day. :messenger_grinning: ....then I took a nosedive back to $32 :messenger_neutral: so I panic and sold. Still made close to $3k profit for the day.

March 8th: I FOMOed hard on EYES yesterday and paid the price...I bought a thousand shares at $13.50 yesterday...it went up about a dollar and then dropped about 25% for the rest of the day. This one really hurt me. I ended up losing about $2.5k because it just wasn't going up for a couple hours. Saw it at $16 this morning and felt sick to my stomach. Whatever, I am over it now, but just wanted to see what the day traders of GAF think. I am also ok swing trading.


Thoughts on:
When should I enter my position?
What catalysts/events should I look for?
How much do you guys normally invest? I am aware of the risk vs reward....but I'd prefer to make at least $500+ a day (at the very least).
What's your indicator to sell it all?
 

mango drank

Member
C'mooooon ARK

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12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
For my fellow day traders...What are some strategies I should use or be aware of when entering a day trade?

Just trying to understand what gives people confidence in a stock temporarily going higher than normal for the given day. I am looking to make at least $1k profit a day if possible, and I know it'll require a bigger risk.

Just for context, here's what I did last week and yesterday.

March 2nd: I put $29k into RKT at $29 a share (1,000 shares). It jumped to $43 that same day. :messenger_grinning: ....then I took a nosedive back to $32 :messenger_neutral: so I panic and sold. Still made close to $3k profit for the day.

March 8th: I FOMOed hard on EYES yesterday and paid the price...I bought a thousand shares at $13.50 yesterday...it went up about a dollar and then dropped about 25% for the rest of the day. This one really hurt me. I ended up losing about $2.5k because it just wasn't going up for a couple hours. Saw it at $16 this morning and felt sick to my stomach. Whatever, I am over it now, but just wanted to see what the day traders of GAF think. I am also ok swing trading.


Thoughts on:
When should I enter my position?
What catalysts/events should I look for?
How much do you guys normally invest? I am aware of the risk vs reward....but I'd prefer to make at least $500+ a day (at the very least).
What's your indicator to sell it all?

The rule of thumb is don't day trade

The stock market is patient people taking money from inpatient people. If your goal is to make at least 500$ a day, you're going to lose your money to people who have long term goals

my 2 cents
 
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GHG

Member
For my fellow day traders...What are some strategies I should use or be aware of when entering a day trade?

Just trying to understand what gives people confidence in a stock temporarily going higher than normal for the given day. I am looking to make at least $1k profit a day if possible, and I know it'll require a bigger risk.

Just for context, here's what I did last week and yesterday.

March 2nd: I put $29k into RKT at $29 a share (1,000 shares). It jumped to $43 that same day. :messenger_grinning: ....then I took a nosedive back to $32 :messenger_neutral: so I panic and sold. Still made close to $3k profit for the day.

March 8th: I FOMOed hard on EYES yesterday and paid the price...I bought a thousand shares at $13.50 yesterday...it went up about a dollar and then dropped about 25% for the rest of the day. This one really hurt me. I ended up losing about $2.5k because it just wasn't going up for a couple hours. Saw it at $16 this morning and felt sick to my stomach. Whatever, I am over it now, but just wanted to see what the day traders of GAF think. I am also ok swing trading.


Thoughts on:
When should I enter my position?
What catalysts/events should I look for?
How much do you guys normally invest? I am aware of the risk vs reward....but I'd prefer to make at least $500+ a day (at the very least).
What's your indicator to sell it all?

  • First of all only put in what you're willing to lose
  • Pick and time your entry point wisely, you should be studying candlestick patterns and using indicators
  • Set a stop loss - if you've picked a good entry point using candlesticks then the stop loss point should be obvious
  • Decide how much you want to gain before entering the trade. How much movement are you looking for to achieve your profit target? Is it realistic based on the daily movements, the current volume going into the stock and the float?
  • Once you're in and you've made a good entry (it's going up and not down after you entered) then move your stop loss up to break even. I cannot stress this enough, it gives you comfort and you can now sit back and see how it behaves. If you want, as the trade develops you can even move the stop loss up to profit taking levels as it's increasing which should give you even more comfort to make rational decisions about your exit point.
Using the strategy above the only way you should lose money is with failed entries. It sounds simple, but trust me failed entries can happen often so you really need to get good at identifying candlestick patterns, even then they are not infallible.

As an example all of my day trades today have been on one stock (XELA). When I entered my first one today I knew very little about the company and made my trade based on technical indicators alone, as such I set the stop loss tight. As the day has gone on and I've become more familiar with the way the stock tends to behave in relation to volume I've relaxed how tight I've been on the stop loss but this is based on judgement. Generally I set my stop loss to a quarter of what my profit target is for each trade - so if I want aim to make $100 on entry then my stop loss will be set at $25 (loss).

If you are holding positions overnight you are no longer day trading in my book (if you only intend to hold for a couple of days you're more in the realm of swing trading) and therefore your trades should be based on fundamentals and catalysts rather than many of the technical indicators I mentioned above. For catalysts two questions to ask:
  • How much is the catalyst worth to the company (financially)?
  • Is the catalyst easily understood and is it something someone will be able to understand without deep industry knowledge?
If the answer to the first question is "lots" and the second question is "yes" then you could be on to a winner. But, and this is the big but, how much has the stock already moved by the time you are looking at it?:
  • If it's already up over 25% for the day then you should most likely forget about it unless you want to scalp/day trade it.
  • If you're getting in at the very top of the days range, again, forget about it.
There are exceptions to the rule, but unless the correct conditions are met you're fighting an uphill battle against probability. If it's already gone up then you need to be looking at SMA charts to better understand where the stock is likely to land once the hype burst dies down, then you can make your decisions based on that.

If you are just getting started, $500 a day is a lot. Risk less capital and practice, practice, practice. Start with $50-100 a day as a target, seriously. In fact, you can even do all of your practicing without risking any of your capital, use a paper account for a couple of weeks until you are more confident and have a tried and tested strategy that works for you.
 
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GHG

Member
As much as I hate on TSLA I actually want it to do well because my lithium plays are highly correlated with it.
 

GHG

Member
its annoying how blatantly obvious some things are in hindsight.

TSLA up 20%.

If Tesla is up, everything is up.

If Tesla is down the whole market panics.

When I see a few days where Telsa is down but the rest of the market is up then I'll be a believer.
 

ManofOne

Plus Member
Basically what you're telling us is that your portfolio is the opposite to the rest of ours.

Should I be worried :messenger_grinning_sweat: ?

No, I still holding onto reverse ETFs so that carried me down. I have a good Margin of Saftey on them but I sold a portion today since its not meant to be held long term. So it dragged down my portoflio plus energy and large cap financial were bad.

My losses would have been bigger if I didn't re balance it yesterday.
 
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GHG

Member
No, I still holding onto reverse ETFs so that carried me down. I have a good Margin of Saftey on them but I sold a portion today since its not meant to be held long term. So it dragged down my portoflio plus energy and large cap financial were bad.

My losses would have been bigger if I didn't re balance it yesterday.

Yeh I noticed Energy/Oil was down today but took advantage and added some midstream exposure in OKE and ENB. Had my eye on both of those for some time due to the dividends.
 

mango drank

Member
Any particular reason energy and financials are down today? Or just people getting panicky because tech surged, and There Can Be Only One?
 

ManofOne

Plus Member
Any particular reason energy and financials are down today? Or just people getting panicky because tech surged, and There Can Be Only One?

Its too early to call it a rotation trade out but it just seems to be b/c the 10 year was down so shorter duration (financials and energy) stocks got hit.
 

ManofOne

Plus Member
Yeh I noticed Energy/Oil was down today but took advantage and added some midstream exposure in OKE and ENB. Had my eye on both of those for some time due to the dividends.

OKE is solid but the Dakota Access Pipeline looks to be heading towards some hurdles so watch that news carefully. Any adverse news about it, you should sell immediately.
 
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ManofOne

Plus Member
So looking at the data, I’m still not sure if this is a sustained rotation so be careful. Nasdaq still trading around 45.0% above it historical median forward earnings.

Plus inflationary pressures. I’ll keep holding my short positions
 

GHG

Member
So looking at the data, I’m still not sure if this is a sustained rotation so be careful. Nasdaq still trading around 45.0% above it historical median forward earnings.

Plus inflationary pressures. I’ll keep holding my short positions

Yeh one day is not enough of a signal for me so I'm not buying and holding anything that I'd consider high risk yet.

In fact if quite like another dip so I can buy some Toyota.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Doing ok so far. I am hoping these small gains will continue and I can be back to even on my calls by the end of the week.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
+2%. Nice.

Cant believe GME is back to $290 and AMC $12.

Anyone here take the dip when GME was $100 and AMC dropped to $5 or $6?

I'm going to text my bro later. He bought in at $13 and then more at around $8 I think. He hinted his breakeven was $10-ish. He's actually up.
 
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Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
+2%. Nice.

Cant believe GME is back to $290 and AMC $12.

Anyone here take the dip when GME was $100 and AMC dropped to $5 or $6?

I'm going to text my bro later. He bought in at $13 and then more at around $8 I think. He hinted his breakeven was $10-ish. He's actually up.
I did some AMC calls for 2022 because I think by then it would be higher and i dipped out at $10 last week and then during the dip got back in and dipped out at $11. Made enough to cover some of my other losses. If it dips again I will go back in.
 

Honey Bunny

Member
I'm questioning my approach of investing directly in metals when their miners tend to pay good dividends. If anyone has a good company for copper, silver or platinum I'd love to hear it (y)
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
My two remaining boring Canadian stocks are creeping up nicely lately. Still on avg 10% down each vs pre-covid levels a year ago. That's how long they took to rebound! One more good creep up month and breakeven! They pay about 3-5% dividend, so not so bad.
 
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GHG

Member
I'm questioning my approach of investing directly in metals when their miners tend to pay good dividends. If anyone has a good company for copper, silver or platinum I'd love to hear it (y)

For copper look at FCX.

Had some up until last week but decided to sell out and get XME instead for some broader market exposure.
 
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