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Street Fighter X Tekken |OT| Truly, truly outrageous~
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MarkMan
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IMO. He is the best character in the game if you can pull out his EWGF move seamlessly as a footsie tool/anti-air and of course in combos.
450 damage off a combo/no meter = USE IT.
Kazuya's EWGF hitbox is like a stainless steel fridge or a 18-wheeler.
Nose Master
Member
Motion for special step is so foreign to me 
. I rarely get the neutral position when going for a shoryuken.
. I rarely get the neutral position when going for a shoryuken.If I see folks fishing for that, I'll try to baiit a jump then slide, or in some cases jump RH works. I usually don't stick a limb out while jumping unless I'm desperate to get someone off me unless I see a reaction.
Rice-Eater
Member
Practical? Not really, this is not something the typical fighting game players can do consistently. I've been playing Kazuya since day 1 and I can hardly do one EWGF by itself let alone 4 consecutively.
BTW, I thought max damage was 466 meterless. With meter I have no idea as I don't have the execution to test this out and see how much juggle potential it has and where it ends.
Flying Wonkey
Member
Average (decent) Mishima combo in Tekken requires at least 3 EWGFs to be in it. Ahahha
Rice-Eater
Member
Wait a minute, in the Tekken series is there a regular EWGF and a "true EWGF" or whatever people are calling it. When I say I can hardly do one, I mean the "true EWGF" as people are calling it which does 100 damage and gives you more juggle potential compared to the regular one which only does 70 damage with some other differences. I can do mist step into the follow ups decently, it's the true EWGF that I really struggle with.
But anyways, this does explain why I see some Japanese players and other pretty good Kaz players doing the rising uppercut instead of slaughter hook off hit confirms and to punish. Damage potential is higher without meter usage.
Flying Wonkey
Member
Yeah there's two versions of it. In Tekken you could get the:
Wind God Fist = Rising uppercut launch thing, but no plus frames on block and less pushback. No electrical hit sparks comes out when blocked.
& then there's
Electric Wind God Fist = The one your calling the 'true' one. Safe on block in Tekken and pretty good launcher, you can tell this was performed correctly because Electricity hit sparks came out.
The thing with SFxT is, these abilities are retained but they made the average WGF show the electricity which just complicates things. Apparently to visually tell the difference in SFxT the EWGF has a more purple hue with the electricity that comes out.
f,n,d,df + P input. The trick to getting the EWGF to come out is to make sure the df and punch are pressed at the same time.
There's Wind God Fist and Electric Wind God Fist:
http://youtu.be/RbjdRbyAJSg
Has been around since Tekken 3 I believe.
EDIT: Beaten.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Towards, neutral, down, down+forward+MP or HP.
down+forward+MP or HP has to be on the same frame.
Rice-Eater
Member
This video does a good job of explaining it. But to cut things short, it's the same motion. You have to press MP at exactly the same time you reach the DF motion. And I mean the same exact frame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VD5BbZkz3w8
Beaten hard, like 3 times lol
Sir Garbageman
Member
lttp but how are the EX Autoblock 3 and ultimate defense 3 not broken? The ultimate defense 3 in particular.
So it autoblocks and autotechs throws for 1/4 of a bar? So hypothetically if you have 2 bars and a life lead, you could simply hold down back I'd have to mix you up 8 times before I do damage???? Am I reading this right?
SUPARSTARX
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I believe those use up all 3 gem slots for one. That's what the little 1,2,3 mean on the side in the icon. Now if it is true that we may or may not get five gem slots later it may be different.
While you might have this really good defense through auto blocking and auto tech whatnot, you will have no additional meter gain gem properties, no defense/iron wall, no damage, and no speed. You will need a playstyle that is aggressive enough to help you generate enough super meter to keep up with the holes in your defense that utilizes the auto tech and auto blocking gems.
So yeah, if you intend on just sitting on the other side of the screen not doing anything, it's useless if you have very little meter or no plan of action. What you might want to do is get a good battery character that is a good zoner and full frontal annoyance like Rolento or Sagat, build meter and keep out, do as much damage as you can and bring in the anchor with EX Ultimate Defense to finish them off or time out.
While you might have this really good defense through auto blocking and auto tech whatnot, you will have no additional meter gain gem properties, no defense/iron wall, no damage, and no speed. You will need a playstyle that is aggressive enough to help you generate enough super meter to keep up with the holes in your defense that utilizes the auto tech and auto blocking gems.
So yeah, if you intend on just sitting on the other side of the screen not doing anything, it's useless if you have very little meter or no plan of action. What you might want to do is get a good battery character that is a good zoner and full frontal annoyance like Rolento or Sagat, build meter and keep out, do as much damage as you can and bring in the anchor with EX Ultimate Defense to finish them off or time out.
Flying Wonkey
Member
5 gems slots are upcoming in a patch. You have that gem and the other two to whatever you like, like the 20% extra damage on counterhit to take up the 2 free slots left.
The expert input gem should be tourney standard though.
Seems worth it to me. Especially if you have that on the second character and your first has something like Block 10 times for +200 meter and +20% damage reduction.
Sir Garbageman
Member
I'm pure scrub mode but I feel like meter is pretty free in the game and the Ult. defense one is so inexpensive only costing a quarter. Going to make doing damage to defensive characters so much tougher. Each tech should be a full bar, not a quarter.
SUPARSTARX
Member
5 gems slots are upcoming in a patch. You have that gem and the other two to whatever you like, like the 20% extra damage on counterhit to take up the 2 free slots left.
The expert input gem should be tourney standard though.
Right. This totally changes if we really have 5 slots later on. This also means touch of death when other characters have 5 slots full of damage, speed and pandora gems. By then I expect people to start whipping out Pandora combos if they give us 5 slots with DLC characters or even further down the line with a Super SFxT DLC update. And what about coordinated co-op blowing up your meter with mix ups? There's a lot to factor in. Jump in combos are so strong already. With five gem slots and with there being already 20% to 30% damage gems, I can't imagine how insanely fun combos will look later.
I wouldn't write off that EX Ultimate Defense as ruining the game yet because I can think of a lot of ways to get them to proc that and totally mess up all their meter. Again, the players using these gems would have to know how to keep up the meter. What if you're fighting grapplers? You can't touch them, you may not be able to zone them, and it certainly does not help defend against command grabs, air to air counter hitting into juggles. Those are chunks of 30-40% damage the player will take even if they use this EX Gem for grounded mix ups and normal throws. In the 3 gem slot setting, I don't see them staying up too long when you put those up on the plate along with it. This gem will not protect you from bad fireballs and spacing either. It's not like it will automatically block it all between animations. You toss out a bad poke or special, you still eat it.
TheFightingFish
Member
Are you Grifter 181? I think you crushed me earlier.
I really need to figure out how to deal with block strings with Vega. I just keep getting stuck against anyone who can apply even a bit of solid pressure.
Sir Garbageman
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Flying Wonkey
Member
26 seconds into the DLC assist gems video you can see the EX Auto Throw Escape Lv.3 gem. It escapes throws automatically for you with no meter drain and it only costs 3 gem slots to use with no other drawbacks.
This is quite.... Formula changing no?
There was footage of people who hacked into the game, they found and were able to access and use 5 gems in game. It's Capcpom's ballpark If they want people to roll with 5 gems though.
SUPARSTARX
Member
26 seconds into the DLC assist gems video you can see the EX Auto Throw Escape Lv.3 gem. It escapes throws automatically for you with no meter drain and it only costs 3 gem slots to use with no other drawbacks.
This is quite.... Formula changing no?
I was just looking at the auto block & throw gem. If you want to just auto tech everything that's fine. But if the damage dealt to you in most matches are not even throws, that gem is useless taking up all your gem slots. Isn't that something to consider? If you fight a Rufus and all he does is dive kick and go for frame traps and not even throws, it's useless. Or even a Hugo that just comes in and claps your cheeks and command grabs.
Pretty game unchanging no? lol
edit: These gems don't even proc if you're in any sort of start up, active, or recovery frame. Limbs being throw out will be grabbed and hit, not blocked and not teched. So you have to zone the other guy out properly and plan out when you want to sacrifice meter for their mix ups and throw attempts along with balancing meter gain. You need a point character for battery most likely. I think teams built around these gems are going to be pretty limited.
Flying Wonkey
Member
Those are quite the few 'Ifs" your using there.
It completely shuts down one of their guard breaking tools. In my head, I'd say it is a bit better than 3 power gems activated for 10 seconds in which you'll probably run away. Do note, I'm waiting for the PC version so your talking theory with someone without the game yet. Hahahaha.
It completely shuts down one of their guard breaking tools. In my head, I'd say it is a bit better than 3 power gems activated for 10 seconds in which you'll probably run away. Do note, I'm waiting for the PC version so your talking theory with someone without the game yet. Hahahaha.
Anyone who plans to play a Mishima or Jin at any kind of decent level in Tekken needs to be able to pull off EWGF with at least 80-90% efficiency. It's not safe if you get WGF. The difference in SFxT seems noticeable but not extremely so, while in Tekken the difference is night and day.
You don't even get the "DORYA!!!" unless you do EWGF.
You don't even get the "DORYA!!!" unless you do EWGF.
SUPARSTARX
Member
That's alright. I have played a lot of MMOs the last few years, this stuff doesn't go unwasted and a lot of outcomes are quite predictable with a few surprises. The auto tech gem wipes out one chunk of possible incoming damage if you're idle. You will still be thrown if you're actively doing something or tossing out little jabs under frame disadvantage. There's no if there. I look at these auto tech and auto throw gems as part of a pie chart. You take out a small slice, but you just deal with everything else in a bolder fashion.
You will only tech during idle stance with meter availability. So the scenarios I put up are very real and very practical as grapplers are reigning supreme in SFxT moreso than SSF4AE2012.
Mr Touchdown
Member
The "DORYA" was always the best part, so I'm glad it's on his normal ones
But yeah, EWGF has all the best of the EX-WGF but without the start-up and with 30 more points of damage. Learn that shit people. I still need to do so myself :/
With the new style Jin it's not as important for him, his WGF is safe on block too, but it's nice for pressure against the wall.
3SO lacked the ability to unbind a button.
Yes, it is slightly more exaggerated.
diztrukted
Member
Learning Jin has to be the most frustrating/rewarding thing I've done with any fighting game to date.
cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.mk SS thrusting uppercut st. mk SS thrusting uppercut tag cancel (or whatever the hell its called) feel so damn good.
corner pressure with jin in the right hands is amazing but part of me wishes he was as easy to learn as kazuya.
After about a week, I can get get SS 70% of the time, but its not enough :-/
Any tips on getting SS out more consistently, I hear ppl are doing the long cuts but that doing the exact ( fwd, n, d, d.fwd motion is best because of frames...)
I can't wait until Lars gets released....
cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.mk SS thrusting uppercut st. mk SS thrusting uppercut tag cancel (or whatever the hell its called) feel so damn good.
corner pressure with jin in the right hands is amazing but part of me wishes he was as easy to learn as kazuya.
After about a week, I can get get SS 70% of the time, but its not enough :-/
Any tips on getting SS out more consistently, I hear ppl are doing the long cuts but that doing the exact ( fwd, n, d, d.fwd motion is best because of frames...)
I can't wait until Lars gets released....
Sounds like a personal problem. I'm doing EWGF all the time now. Shout outs to Tekken playing Tekken since 2. I wouldn't consider myself proficient with a character if I couldn't do a staple move reliably.
It's also got a purple tinge to the lightning.
Played some casuals against some friends a couple of days ago so I thought I would put on the autotech gem just to see how good it was.
It was really freaking good, it's a complete momentum killer for half a bar. If the upcoming DLC autotech gem is of any indication it's going to be hard to throw people online for a long time...
It was really freaking good, it's a complete momentum killer for half a bar. If the upcoming DLC autotech gem is of any indication it's going to be hard to throw people online for a long time...
The autotech gem only uses half a bar each time?
Yeah, only half.
I'm a fairly balanced player offense and defense wise so I usually have at least one bar of meter at my disposal. With the autotech gem I only have to worry about mixups. And I still have the option of teching normally if I can see a throw coming.
ihearthawthats
Banned
or you could put on 3 lvl1 fortitude gems which negate 100 damage each, effectively giving you 300 more hp. it would take 3 throws per round to make up that damage, at which point the auto throw escape would become more useful. do you really expect to get thrown more than 3 times per round?26 seconds into the DLC assist gems video you can see the EX Auto Throw Escape Lv.3 gem. It escapes throws automatically for you with no meter drain and it only costs 3 gem slots to use with no other drawbacks.
This is quite.... Formula changing no?
Wow. I thought it at least used an entire bar. That's kinda dumb. Is autoblock the same?
Flying Wonkey
Member
As a Dhalsim player, I expect to throw THEM more than 3 times. More than I can If the b+mk xx yoga flame isn't preferable. Slide>throws, stupid mixup chances where my throws beat specific moves, IATs gimmick traps etc. Heck the back throw is a really good tool for flinging the offensive guy off me at times. I don't want to lose that. ;_;
I need to work on this. I never know if I'm doing it right. The little bit of extra lightning doesn't seem to register in my eyes.
So it has to be forward neutral down down-forward mp or hp? You can't game the system? Like, 2xqcf, but you still hit punch right at down-forward?
Right now my combos do ~375 from a c.lk, but that's using a bar.
D
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Agreed. I play Sim as well and I usually get 2 throws in a round, if not more. Depends on what they let me do. The throw window isn't as guaranteed as in sf4 though so I've been weaning myself off of the corner throw.
toastyToast
Member
Any good Steve tech around? Steve has been my Tekken main chicken since 4, but I have no idea what to do with him in this setting. Does he do well on point? Other characters I'm interested are Julia and Lili, so he can go in back if need be.
Gonna drop Vega, despite the new juggling properties working very well in his favour; I can't shake the feeling that it's the same dude I've been playing for the last 3 years.
Gonna drop Vega, despite the new juggling properties working very well in his favour; I can't shake the feeling that it's the same dude I've been playing for the last 3 years.