So team tournaments are inherantly more unfair to lower skilled players?
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Shouta
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I play Gundam EXVS as a main game, which is real 2v2. I know the advantages and disadvantages of this style of tournament better than anyone else on this forum.
As Legato points out, this is not the same as a team tournament in other games. Team synergy, learning to play with another player, combo timing, and a whole slew of other things are on the table that aren't found in most other fighting games. It's a whole different beast most FGC people aren't used to. Playing well as a team is a whole other level.
Regardless of whether or not you can do well, it's about being able to play the game. 2v2 when 1v1 would suffice, effectively rules out a lot of people. Most people know they aren't going to make it out of pools but they still play. Not giving them the chance and then raising the bar further is terrible.
LOL. If you say so.
Shouta
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Name a game that is as intensely 2v2 as Gundam is. Because, I don't know one in the US as intense as Gundam is in Japan.
MiniBossBattle
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SFxT Mod Battle?! Sounds like some crazy PPV NeoGAF programming.
Shouta
Member
*cry* Why do you hate me!?
You need a more kawaii avatar for me to give you my sword in arms.
Edit: @ LakeEarth, best damage combo is 3 knees, stand fierece, then fierce power bomb, and not 4 knees into the bomb.
Use him as 2nd character to tag in for with a knee, knee, fierce power bomb(think that's his best/max off tag in combo).
Avoid his command grabs except for the ex low one when they block. Learn his cr lp cr lp cr mp into QCB punch move combo. The rest of it is just pray to god they don't maul you, because you will get blown up lol.
Two things. First, there are a lot of people on NeoGAF, even if they don't post all that often, and your quick assertion that you know more than any of them is laughable in itself. Second, Smash teams.
riskVSreward
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Practice for 5 minutes. Profit.
Shouta
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You need a more kawaii avatar for me to give you my sword in arms.
Hah! Urushihara avatar stays until GL4 is released and done with in the US!
But seriously, I can't think of any game popular in the US that's even within the same realm of 2v2 as Gundam is. There's RTS and FPS but those are totally different style of games in terms of approach and thinking. As different as Gundam is in style to regular fighting game, it's closer in feel to a FG than an RTS or FPS is when considering the 2v2 setup.
PsychoSoldier
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I think for the people who are likely to be a factor in this game, it's unlikely to matter.
But for the average person being dependent upon a teammate who you have schedule your playtime and trip around, it will be an issue and likely will mean a much smaller pool of people playing, and thus likely a smaller payout.
But for the average person being dependent upon a teammate who you have schedule your playtime and trip around, it will be an issue and likely will mean a much smaller pool of people playing, and thus likely a smaller payout.
"smash players are going to laugh at you" lol
<--- not a smash bros player but still laughing at people having a problem with this format.
Didn't duder up there just give you a name?
I guess so.
But having a conversation != Banning
BTW where is Tekno?
EDIT: Is this becoming a "My gaem is better than your gaem!!111!!" thread?
Cuz we all know that KOF is the KING
Well, they made SFxT a main stage game, didn't they?
Seriously, though, I do think that the EVO guys take crowd and stream hype into account with these things. SFxT hype at NCR was underwhelming to nonexistent--hell, it generated some kind of anti-Capcom distortion field that allowed stream monsters to appreciate KoF, SCV and VF5--and a lot of people seem to think that the 2v2 format would alleviate that somewhat.
LowParry
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I'm not calling out the conversation as a ban. Just thought I throw that out there. Just for the sake of an answer.
Second time I've seen Smash mentioned.
Wasn't that the game where the crowd wanted items off and SRK ignored it. Then it got dismissed as a joke when the game was won by kid.
And now SFxT is the party game that has predetermined to be a party game with no competitive value. And now it is (albeit unintentionally) getting set up to be dismissed.
Shouta
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I'll give you the first one because I'm a little miffed in general and getting carried away. But I highly doubt many folks have had that 2v2 experience on this forum. There aren't many games that are specifically 2v2 that play similar in concept.
And Smash? Compared to Gundam? Seriously?
He posted after me and comparing Smash to Gundam in terms of level of competition and popularity is funny because as an arcade game, Gundam has beaten every other FG for years now, aside from maybe losing the spot to Tekken once and awhile.
From a TO's perspective there isn't much difference. Neither is there on the factor of having to coordinate with another person.
What was your argument again?
What makes you think Tekno won't just write that VF5 is the best game? And he would be right.
Well damn, that's crazy, we can't have that!
Shouta
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From a TO's perspective, sure. But I'm speaking from player's perspective.
And you're right, there isn't a difference when it comes to coordination, sure. But there is when looking at experience though. All I'm saying is that I know very well how tough a barrier 2v2 is because of how competitive Gundam is. It's not something you can just pick up a partner on the day of.
In regards to Evo's setup?
Tekno waits in the shadows to do the bans that no one wants to touch. If he must take down two mods he will. Good ol fashioned bingo style.
PsychoSoldier
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The latest Capcom game being related to Smash is pretty hilarious if you ask me, especially considering Smash's history with the more mainstream FG community.
FindMyFarms
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I used to play 2v2 in wc3:ft all the time. Sfxt being 2v2 could be fun, who knows.
Hitokage i'll be your partner
Hitokage i'll be your partner
The Omega Man
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I am really sad by this decision, it seems to me that EVO didn't know how to deal with SFxT and came up with this. Can't EVO retract this decision or is it set in stone?
That's kinda how it struck me, too. :/
I think the format just makes a lot of sense for EVO. 4 people playing in a 1v1 format is 2 separate games on 2 setups, but with 2v2 it's 1 game on 1 setup. I'm hoping they won't put 4 players in front of a single 24" screen because I think that would be uncomfortable + hard to see, but however they work it out it may end up being a lot less hassle than 1v1 if they get a lot of entrants. Also if they do get less entrants, it only makes the game easier to run. Though I can't see this getting low numbers, despite some inevitable internet outrage.
CUZ EVO SAID SO!
biosnake20
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Great my fightstick broke. No more fighting games for me in the foreseeable future.
Shouta
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Ideally, that'd be nice to accommodate folks that don't have partners.
It would be hype tho no? Isn't that what Evo is after?
Great my fightstick broke. No more fighting games for me in the foreseeable future.
Shouldn't have Gootecksed it.
Riposte
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That makes it rather uneven, mainly in favor of the single player.
You'd think. I'd prefer both, but I don't know how that would work. One game essentially filling up two game's slots when considering time.
Rice-Eater
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I just heard to news, can't say I like it right now but if that's the route they want to go then so be it. I'd prefer they stuck with 1v1 but it looks like EVO is more concerned with playing to the crowd and trying to create a more hype tournament after the debacle at NCR. While it's true that there isn't much time to see how things play out, I would have loved to see them crown the first SFxT solo champion.
I'm not a fan of tag fighters, and I'm even less of a fan of team tournaments crowning champions of singles even though they may be more entertaining and hype to watch. But we'll see how it goes this year. If I were going to EVO I think I would probably just enter SF4 though. I feel the same way as Thatcrazyguy, don't want to be dragged down by a teammate or do the same to him. I just want to rely on myself regardless of my own skill.
I'm not a fan of tag fighters, and I'm even less of a fan of team tournaments crowning champions of singles even though they may be more entertaining and hype to watch. But we'll see how it goes this year. If I were going to EVO I think I would probably just enter SF4 though. I feel the same way as Thatcrazyguy, don't want to be dragged down by a teammate or do the same to him. I just want to rely on myself regardless of my own skill.
DR2K
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Most would go in solo probably.
I just don't think EVO has enough time on the schedule to run a full SFxT and end the event nights at a reasonable hour. WNF's been going to what, 2-3am PST lately?
Shouta
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It kinda depends. Going solo would mean you wouldn't have a partner that would mess your chances up if they screw up. On the other hand, having a partner means that if you face someone solo, your opponent has to adapt to two different people's play mentality and style.
Yeah, as mentioned, they're running six games this year, and two of them eat up more time than normal.