Study Finds White Americans Believe They Experience More Racism Than Black Americans

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I could understand someone being miffed or feeling that they have lost out in some way due to positive discrimination but really?

I have had racist insults thrown at me for being white here in the UK but as a balance...no.

Also I wonder how eastern populations figure into this, can't be an easy time when every other day there is a news story about terrorism etc.
 
Azula said:
Basically, a lot of whites feel like since they weren't apart of the era of slavery or segregation, they shouldn't be lumped in as being responsible. And since most of them have grown up in sheltered areas where they don't experience racism (or don't feel they are racist), they feel they are being victimized now. There is also a shallow view that people should just move forward. That anyone born from the 80s on up have a clean slate etc and your own woes is your own fault.

Or something like that. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say stuff like that.
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is this to imply that they should be lumped in as being responsible?
 
Azula said:
Basically, a lot of whites feel like since they weren't apart of the era of slavery or segregation, they shouldn't be lumped in as being responsible.
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I don't see the problem with that. Because they weren't. Not all white people are the same. It would be equally ridiculous if I asked some random black person to feel responsible for something some other completely unrelated black person did to me years and years ago, don't you think?

Aquamarine said:
But white people don't have to worry about their race at all. They're the norm on TV and in movies. You most often see white movies / TV with a token black character, not black movies / TV with a token white character. White-ness never "a factor" when applying to a job / university. If they commit a criminal action or dress a certain way, it isn't "representative of their race."

They don't have to worry about unjust police snarkiness / brutality or women clutching their purses as they walk by. They didn't experience slavery and legal persecution for hundreds of years.

I don't see how the two are similar at all.
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Its not that they are similar, but to act like white people don't experience racism is also quite ignorant. We're less likely to, no doubt, but it doesn't mean we cant be victims of it as well.
 
MikeHaggar said:
is this to imply that they should be lumped in as being responsible?
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No, of course I'm not implying they should be. But just because YOU weren't apart of those eras doesn't mean you ignore the reality of the situation. That you believe that there is no longer any issues. Those terrible eras have a lingering effect that goes beyond that time period. Just because we were born in a modern setting, doesn't mean you get to ignore it, or act like it's not an issue when clearly it still impacts people today.

I was just explaining why some whites feel the way that they do today about racism. It's just one aspect of the equation of why they now feel they are being victimized. But I wasn't suggesting that people should blame white people of today for what happened in the past, or that white people should feel responsible for something they personally didn't do. But I also don't think they should feel everything has magically gone away or that they shouldn't have to deal with it because they were born in a different era.
 
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GungHo said:
I sometimes wish that there was a way to put people into a hyper-real simulation so they can get a feel of what real racism felt like in order to provide some perspective in their world. Same with child-birth.
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Closest thing to that would be getting into a white/black interracial relationship. Even with that, though, a white person is only getting a taste of what actual racism is like.
 
Azula said:
No, of course I'm not implying they should be. But just because YOU weren't apart of those eras doesn't mean you ignore the reality of the situation. That you believe that there is no longer any issues. Those terrible eras have a lingering effect that goes beyond that time period. Just because we were born in a modern setting, doesn't mean you get to ignore it, or act like it's not an issue.
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agreed.
 
Seanspeed said:
Really ridiculous of course, but its fairly normal for people of any origin to always feel *they* are the persecuted ones.

I do think that anti-white racism is more common than people realize, though. I've been jumped for being white, I've been called 'cracker' in a disparaging way quite a few times, I'm pretty sure I was suspended from school because my black vice principal took the word of one black girl over the word of half a dozen other classmates who vouched for me in a 'fish-killing' incident. Again, I'm sure most black people experience worse than this, but when you're a decent person yourself and you experience this sort of thing, its hard to feel you're not the one being persecuted.
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Sorry to hear you went through those experiences. No one should be discriminated against based on the color of their skin. I think what most of the lol's from minorities (Disclosure, I'm Latino) come from the systematic racism that limits minorities. I'm sure anti-white racism is up against individuals, but if you look at any key metrics that matter (child poverty, average income, educational attainment, etc) minorities lag behind. That's not all caused by racism, and it's sticky to untangle, but there's no doubt that racism in the past contributed to it.
 
Well now...

I think this has something to do with the fact that a few white people think that due to the race of the other person and the sensitivies surrounding that race , that when decisions are made, in their opinion, based in the sensitivies of racial issues, that they feel they are being racially sidelined for the sake of political correctness.
 
Seanspeed said:
I don't see the problem with that. Because they weren't. Not all white people are the same. It would be equally ridiculous if I asked some random black person to feel responsible for something some other completely unrelated black person did to me years and years ago, don't you think?


Its not that they are similar, but to act like white people don't experience racism is also quite ignorant. We're less likely to, no doubt, but it doesn't mean we cant be victims of it as well.
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White people generally aren't the victims institutionalized racism. And often, its still an issue to actually acknowledge is happening.

I think thats the sentiment, no one can say that whites don't experience racism at all, but hardly in any societal way. Sure, a dehumanizing stare here, or there.. but
Whites aren't getting busted at Barneys for buying things, nor are they being stop and frisked, shot for getting cigs from their cars, or shot for asking someone for help. etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.. Blacks are profiled specifically for lumping them in with the criminal element of other blacks, even though they are unrelated...
 
In middle school I was teased and bullied and beaten up for being white all the time. I mean I'm sure it also had something to do with me being a flamboyant fat nerd but I do remember hearing some racial epitaphs thrown in there.

The difference is I'm not stupid enough to suggest my plight that lasted all of 2 years of my life comes anywhere near daily discrimination in housing, jobs, etc. faced by black people.
 
"Define seriousness."

The study allows for Americas to overexaggerate and just seriousness on their own bias, which screws up the statistics dramatically.

Edit: If this was paired with the study in which african americans felt they were the most racist American racial group then I'm sure Neogaf would explode in anger.
 
A lot of these kinds of people feel like they are being made to be "ashamed to be white". Maybe that's what they count as "racism", i dunno. I find it pretty hard to believe Joe Average White Guy actually feels like he is a victim of REAL discrimination.
 
Honestly I think some of you guys are kind of being jerks right now. Being white in America can be much harder than being black. Have you ever been with a group of minorities as the only white person and simply felt out of place? Or how about being in New York and being stopped and frisked as a white person because they look at the color of your skin and assume you're a gangbanger with drugs in his pocket? Or how about being white and shopping at Barney's only for cops to detain you once you leave the store because you looked suspicious? How many black people can say they've faced that? Exactly. Or how about the cops harassing you constantly?

Have you guys ever been denied a job because of your skin color or name? Because that's what being white is about. Have you ever had people clutch their purse and walk to the other side of the street? Of course not, and at least your youth can walk down of their neighborhood with their Arizona tea and skittles and not be shot. White kids are a target in today's society. I mean in the news a few months ago a white teen girl was shot for simply knocking on someone's door to ask for help. Many white people are born into very poor areas of the US and they basically have to raise themselves. It also doesn't help that many people use white people as scapegoats for crimes. Blacks have it on easy street compared to white people. There's a reason it's called black privilege and not white privilege. Young white girls are basically told they aren't shit and are ugly by American standards of beauty (Read: black women). You have many white youth hating their white skin wishing they were black or darker skinned so they don't feel like social outcasts and so they feel they're more beautiful.

At least when you're black you're treated as an individual and not a hivemind, I can't tell you how annoying it is to read news articles about some sort of crime happening then people in the comments section and on GAF and other places make stupid statements like "is there something in white culture that makes kids like this?" I get tired of people blaming violence on pop music it's so frustrating. Like everyday many people carry the weight of the entire white community on their shoulders and have to go out of their way to not be threatening to everyone

Rosie Pelhman told people no when she was told to give up her seat to a black man because she shouldn't have to just because he's black. Martin Larry Kreuger made an amazing speech called "A Midsummer's Dream" in which he wanted black people, white people, Asians and others to live together and not be judged by the color of their skin. I mean it wasn't even 60 years ago when white people had to eat/drink/use different restrooms than black people, racism is never going to truly go away and it's a damn shame.

Don't even get me started on Hollywood and the horrible roles white people get compared to black people. Mightey Blackey? White Face? Ugh this country I swear.
 
Enron said:
A lot of these kinds of people feel like they are being made to be "ashamed to be white". Maybe that's what they count as "racism", i dunno. I find it pretty hard to believe Joe Average White Guy actually feels like he is a victim of REAL discrimination.
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How do you define being ashamed to be white?


Angelus Errare :o :)
 
I can sort of understand. When every study on racism and sexism in the workplace singles out white men as the cause of the problem, it's hard not to feel like people hate them.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Honestly I think some of you guys are kind of being jerks right now. Being white in America can be much harder than being black. Have you ever been with a group of minorities as the only white person and simply felt out of place? Or how about being in New York and being stopped and frisked as a white person because they look at the color of your skin and assume you're a gangbanger with drugs in his pocket? Or how about being white and shopping at Barney's only for cops to detain you once you leave the store because you looked suspicious? How many black people can say they've faced that? Exactly. Or how about the cops harassing you constantly?

Have you guys ever been denied a job because of your skin color or name? Because that's what being white is about. Have you ever had people clutch their purse and walk to the other side of the street? Of course not, and at least your youth can walk down of their neighborhood with their Arizona tea and skittles and not be shot. White kids are a target in today's society. I mean in the news a few months ago a white teen girl was shot for simply knocking on someone's door to ask for help. Many white people are born into very poor areas of the US and they basically have to raise themselves. It also doesn't help that many people use white people as scapegoats for crimes. Blacks have it on easy street compared to white people. There's a reason it's called black privilege and not white privilege.

At least when you're black you're treated as an individual and not a hivemind, I can't tell you how annoying it is to read news articles about some sort of crime happening then people in the comments section and on GAF and other places make stupid statements like "is there something in white culture that makes kids like this?" I get tired of people blaming violence on pop music it's so frustrating. Like everyday many people carry the weight of the entire white community on their shoulders and have to go out of their way to not be threatening to everyone

Rosie Pelhman told people no when she was told to give up her seat to a black man because she shouldn't have to just because he's black. Martin Larry Kreuger made an amazing speech called "A Midsummer's Dream" in which he wanted black people, white people, Asians and others to live together and not be judged by the color of their skin. I mean it wasn't even 60 years ago when white people had to eat/drink/use different restrooms than black people, racism is never going to truly go away and it's a damn shame.

Don't even get me started on Hollywood and the horrible roles white people get compared to black people. Mightey Blackey? White Face? Ugh this country I swear.
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/slow clap
 
I've been with a British politics forum for a few years where the majority of the opinion is anti-mass immigration and anti-multiculturalism. And they do believe in the ="anti-white and that the British are being discriminated in some facets of their life just to try and achieve the multiculturalism dream by saying 'Look how diverse we are'".

Some members even go by ethno-nationalism ideology and believe in preserving the race, saying it is an identity that the British had for thousands of years. And that they will fear themselves becoming a minority in their own home country.

This isn't Stormfront. But you'd be surprised how common the anti-white argument actually is. And to be honest, I slightly sympathise with them. But preserving the race is a personal ideology to me, so it is their own call.
 
commedieu said:
How do you define being ashamed to be white?
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I think what he's talking about is a combination of "white guilt" and the concept that you can't be white and "proud" because it comes off as racist. So if you can't be happy about being white without it reflecting poorly on you, what else can you feel but shame?
 
timetokill said:
I think what he's talking about is a combination of "white guilt" and the concept that you can't be white and "proud" because it comes off as racist. So if you can't be happy about being white without it reflecting poorly on you, what else can you feel but shame?
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...content?
 
If you feel ashamed of your privilege, donate money or time to leveling the playing field and try to be aware of how others are treated like shit instead of covering your ears and going "but I didn't own slaves."
 
I'm sure that most of it falls into Affirmative Action and how it's hurting their chances of getting a new job. Personally, I think jobs should be handed out solely based on merits, experience, and education alone, but racism persists and you can't just stamp it out of some people's minds.

commedieu said:
How do you define being ashamed to be white?
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It's that feeling that society still holds you responsible for the sins of your fathers. It's probably similar to the feeling that some Germans may have had after WWII because of the crimes against humanity caused by the Nazis. You did nothing wrong, but there's that nagging feeling that you're still to blame for mistakes that happened before you were even born.
 
This isn't actually new; I've seen articles about this study since 2011.

It isn't difficult to understand it, I don't think. We live in a highly segregated society, where it is easy for white people to not witness anti-black racism. If you are a white person who doesn't ever see anti-black discrimination, and who interprets attempts at ameliorating existing barriers, such as affirmative action programs or diversity goals, as evidence of anti-white bias, it's easy to see how there are white people who mistakenly believe that anti-white racism is a bigger issue.

This is one of those times where it is appropriate to talk about privilege. In this case, a white person who believes that anti-white racism is a bigger problem for white people than anti-black racism is for black people is making assumptions based on their experiences as a white person, experiences which are effected by their racial privilege that largely insulates them from issues of racism. This means - quite naturally - that they have a skewed understanding of racism, which causes them to misunderstand and misinterpret programs designed to address racial inequality.

The solution there is pretty simple - that person should step back from his experiences and instead look at more objective measures of discrimination faced by black people.

I have family members who are convinced that anti-white discrimination is dire, and it's completely connected to their unwillingness to look outside their own thought processes and sets of assumptions to see that their experiences might not be relevant to a particular discussion, and might even lead them to incorrect conclusions about the experiences of other people.

Azula said:
Well here's the thing. That's not the overall white experience in America. Blacks in America experience this sort of thing on a much larger level. That said, it doesn't change the fact that what you described is not acceptable for anyone. Just because you are white doesn't mean that should be accepted or ignored or downplayed. I agree that it's shameful when people look at these sort of things, and act like a white person should just suck it up.

But personally, I think your view that this is the typical white experience in America is pretty far off.
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... Sigh.

I don't know how he got you. I really don't.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Honestly I think some of you guys are kind of being jerks right now. Being white in America can be much harder than being black. Have you ever been with a group of minorities as the only white person and simply felt out of place? Or how about being in New York and being stopped and frisked as a white person because they look at the color of your skin and assume you're a gangbanger with drugs in his pocket? Or how about being white and shopping at Barney's only for cops to detain you once you leave the store because you looked suspicious? How many black people can say they've faced that? Exactly. Or how about the cops harassing you constantly?

Have you guys ever been denied a job because of your skin color or name? Because that's what being white is about. Have you ever had people clutch their purse and walk to the other side of the street? Of course not, and at least your youth can walk down of their neighborhood with their Arizona tea and skittles and not be shot. White kids are a target in today's society. I mean in the news a few months ago a white teen girl was shot for simply knocking on someone's door to ask for help. Many white people are born into very poor areas of the US and they basically have to raise themselves. It also doesn't help that many people use white people as scapegoats for crimes. Blacks have it on easy street compared to white people. There's a reason it's called black privilege and not white privilege. Young white girls are basically told they aren't shit and are ugly by American standards of beauty (Read: black women). You have many white youth hating their white skin wishing they were black or darker skinned so they don't feel like social outcasts and so they feel they're more beautiful.

At least when you're black you're treated as an individual and not a hivemind, I can't tell you how annoying it is to read news articles about some sort of crime happening then people in the comments section and on GAF and other places make stupid statements like "is there something in white culture that makes kids like this?" I get tired of people blaming violence on pop music it's so frustrating. Like everyday many people carry the weight of the entire white community on their shoulders and have to go out of their way to not be threatening to everyone

Rosie Pelhman told people no when she was told to give up her seat to a black man because she shouldn't have to just because he's black. Martin Larry Kreuger made an amazing speech called "A Midsummer's Dream" in which he wanted black people, white people, Asians and others to live together and not be judged by the color of their skin. I mean it wasn't even 60 years ago when white people had to eat/drink/use different restrooms than black people, racism is never going to truly go away and it's a damn shame.

Don't even get me started on Hollywood and the horrible roles white people get compared to black people. Mightey Blackey? White Face? Ugh this country I swear.
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..."Now imagine she was white"
 
Trey said:
Do you have these in a document marked for the occasion or does it all come off the top?
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Off the top good sir.

Azula said:
Well here's the thing. That's not the overall white experience in America. Blacks in America experience this sort of thing on a much larger level. That said, it doesn't change the fact that what you described is not acceptable for anyone. Just because you are white doesn't mean that should be accepted or ignored or downplayed. I agree that it's shameful when people look at these sort of things, and act like a white person should just suck it up.

But personally, I think your view that this is the typical white experience in America is pretty far off. Do you truly believe that white people on the whole have it harder, and that black people have on "easy street compared to white people". Really? The stats don't really back that up.
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LMAO! <3
 
Mumei said:
This isn't actually new; I've seen articles about this study since 2011.

It isn't difficult to understand it, I don't think. We live in a highly segregated society, where it is easy for white people to not witness anti-black racism. If you are a white person who doesn't ever see anti-black discrimination, and who interprets attempts at ameliorating existing barriers, such as affirmative action programs or diversity goals, as evidence of anti-white bias, it's easy to see how there are white people who mistakenly believe that anti-white racism is a bigger issue.

This is one of those times where it is appropriate to talk about privilege. In this case, a white person who believes that anti-white racism is a bigger problem for white people than anti-black racism is for black people is making assumptions based on their experiences as a white person, experiences which are effected by their racial privilege that largely insulates them from issues of racism. This means - quite naturally - that they have a skewed understanding of racism, which causes them to misunderstand and misinterpret programs designed to address racial inequality.

The solution there is pretty simple - that person should step back from his experiences and instead look at more objective measures of discrimination faced by black people.

I have family members who are convinced that anti-white discrimination is dire, and it's completely connected to their unwillingness to look outside their own thought processes and sets of assumptions to see that their experiences might not be relevant to a particular discussion, and might even lead them to incorrect conclusions about the experiences of other people.



... Sigh.

I don't know how he got you. I really don't.
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Sorry, I don't know who the poster is, and I tend to be pretty straight forward. I apologize that I missed that it was a troll post. *shrugs*

Guess I'm not good at reading sarcasm. Kind of bummed I'm being sighed at by a mod. (Taking things too personal) *exits*
 
Azula said:
Well here's the thing. That's not the overall white experience in America. Blacks in America experience this sort of thing on a much larger level. That said, it doesn't change the fact that what you described is not acceptable for anyone. Just because you are white doesn't mean that should be accepted or ignored or downplayed. I agree that it's shameful when people look at these sort of things, and act like a white person should just suck it up.

But personally, I think your view that this is the typical white experience in America is pretty far off. Do you truly believe that white people on the whole have it harder, and that black people have on "easy street compared to white people". Really? The stats don't really back that up.
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Epic trole
 
Azula said:
Sorry, I don't know who the poster is, and I tend to be pretty straight forward. I apologize that I missed that it was a troll post. *shrugs*

Guess I'm not good at reading sarcasm. Kind of bummed I'm being sighed at by a mod. (Taking things too personal) *exits*
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Oh, don't feel bad. :(

Angelus always parodies White Victimhood whining.
 
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