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Suicide Squad Review Thread: As Fresh As Green Lantern!

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Whatever happened to this guy? I feel like I asked one before..

Guy's doing fine (Ryan O' Donnell)

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BvS is really well designed from a set and general perspective, cinematography is aess though, that's more bad editing then bad camera work.
 

duckroll

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If there's anything we can learn from the DCEU and SS in particular though is that it's easy to use established archetypes but not so easy to use them well. Making good movies is hard to do.

How many of us have actually seen SS yet though? Not sure how much we can learn from a film we haven't seen...
 
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Lord Virgin

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We have descended into madness.

Thor 2 is the answer to are we alone in the universe. Years from now, humanity will look back at how misunderstood it really was. You'll see, once the portals begin showing up.
 

guek

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I don't think this is true. If it is, Marvel movies wouldn't be so well received by critics and audiences alike. I'll say they are held to the same standard as other blockbusters, and probably even get a free pass because people already like many of these characters.

The reason why cinematography and music is always brought up in Marvel vs DC discussions though, is because Warner has actually set a higher standard for those in their superhero films over the years. Nolan and Snyder films look and sound really good, compared to the average blockbuster. Just like how when we talk about James Bond vs other action movies and thrillers, with regards to Skyfall and Spectre the only thing people will really highlight is the cinematography. Because goddamn.

I was talking about gaf specifically. In terms of critics and general audiences, I agree wholeheartedly.

How many of us have actually seen SS yet though? Not sure how much we can learn from a film we haven't seen...

Fair enough, I'm being presumptuous. It's a fairly safe bet though, don't you think?
 

-Plasma Reus-

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Yo, if Grace felt that disappointed, there is something wrong. I like her reviews and can usually tell I won't mind the things she hates, but the things she mentions give me worry.
 

Red Devil

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Thor 2 is the answer to are we alone in the universe. Years from now, humanity will look back at how misunderstood it really was. You'll see, once the portals begin showing up.

Thor: The Dark World is objectively the only one and true cape kino.

Sorry, I'm bored.
 
Thor 2 is the answer to are we alone in the universe. Years from now, humanity will look back at how misunderstood it really was. You'll see, once the portals begin showing up.

What if Thor 2 is the Citizen Kane of the Genre and we don't know it?
 
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Lord Virgin

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Fair enough, I'm being presumptuous. It's a fairly safe bet though, don't you think?

Pfft, Marvel stan. Bet your cheques are cleared.

still waiting on my DC one, any day now...you think they have money issues?
 

-Plasma Reus-

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David Ayer is the Windows of directors:

Windows XP - good.
Windows Vista -bad
Windows 7 -good.
Windows 8 -bad.
Windows 10 - good.

Suicide Squad -bad
Fury -good
Sabotage -bad
End of Watch -good
 
I feel BvS looked average in its Cinematography. Some parts looked outright fake, other parts looked unnatural almost like it was a set when it was suppos to outdoors. Obvious green screen uses.

It was weird, but I hear it being called best looking superhero film when I thinks it lies in mediocre territory.

Just an opinion, I personally consider Dark Knight, Iron Man 1 and Spider-Man 2 at the top so feel free to disagree.
 

Xater

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Did DC seriously just produce another stinker? What a bummer. Suicide Squad is such a cool concept. I was always worried about this movie because the trailers never gave me any hint of a story. Just quips and nonsensical action shots. Still waiting for a good DC film since the Nolan films. Maybe Wonder Woman will be the one. That trailer I liked more than any of the other DCCU ones before.
 
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Lord Virgin

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David Ayer is the Windows of directors:

Windows XP - good.
Windows Vista -bad
Windows 7 -good.
Windows 8 -bad.
Windows 10 - good.

Suicide Squad -bad
Fury -good
Sabotage -bad
End of Watch -good

Hear that guys, Suicide Squad 2 will be awesome. Ohh wait, he is doing Netflix next. Goddamnit.
 

duckroll

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Fair enough, I'm being presumptuous. It's a fairly safe bet though, don't you think?

Well, considering how my takeaway from the DCEU so far after MoS and BvS is that it would be easier to just use established comic characters in a simple and straightforward way to please audiences, rather than the more mythic and thematic style which they attempt but lack the naunce and talent to fully execute... I'm not sure it's a safe bet what my takeaway from Suicide Squad will be. David Aryer is a different director from Snyder and I expect him to have different intent when it comes to the film. I'm just not sure that this is really him trying to make something more like a MCU film or a GotG or whatever, but failing at it.
 

Izuna

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To all the DC fans who wanted a more comic book DC. I blame all of you for the MoS -> BvS -> SS reception.

I wonder if Wonder Woman, new Batman and Justice League will make this new franchise at least 50% decent.

I want my Nolan movies back.
 

CloudWolf

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If there's anything we can learn from the DCEU and SS in particular though is that it's easy to use established archetypes but not so easy to use them well. Making good movies is hard to do.
Definitely true. I don't have anything against MCU films. At worst they're forgettable, at best they're really fun to watch. They're definitely better than what DC is doing. For some reason they try to combine the tone of the Nolan films with the formula of Marvel, even though the Nolan films worked because he tried new things and didn't adhere to a formula.
 

-Plasma Reus-

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The reaction from this guy is amazing.

https://youtu.be/EpO_32tCTjs?t=2m7s
(Should be time stamped 2:07)

He's already talking about Guardians of the Galaxy. He basically says he wanted them to be more like the guardians of the galaxy.

I haven't watched GotG since my only watch in the theatre. The third act is indefensible. Which is the same criticism that many are pointing out with Suicide Squad.
 

guek

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Well, considering how my takeaway from the DCEU so far after MoS and BvS is that it would be easier to just use established comic characters in a simple and straightforward way to please audiences, rather than the more mythic and thematic style which they attempt but lack the naunce and talent to fully execute... I'm not sure it's a safe bet what my takeaway from Suicide Squad will be. David Aryer is a different director from Snyder and I expect him to have different intent when it comes to the film. I'm just not sure that this is really him trying to make something more like a MCU film or a GotG or whatever, but failing at it.

How very diplomatic of you :p

I guess that helps when giving the movie a fair shake.
 

duckroll

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How very diplomatic of you :p

I guess that helps when giving the movie a fair shake.

It's not being diplomatic. I actually do appreciate how MCU and DCEU are going for very different things. Even if the DC films end up messy and panned, it's something different to watch and contemplate. Keeps the range interesting.

Now if we're talking about Green Lantern, sure, that was a turd that shows that even with an accomplished director, a pretty decent cast, and good budget, AND trying to play it straight like a MCU film, it can totally fucking fail for.... reasons. So yeah it's not easy to make a good film, but that's not the lesson from Snyder's films. Snyder makes it harder for himself each and every time because his reach exceeds his grasp. :p
 
Well, considering how my takeaway from the DCEU so far after MoS and BvS is that it would be easier to just use established comic characters in a simple and straightforward way to please audiences, rather than the more mythic and thematic style which they attempt but lack the naunce and talent to fully execute... I'm not sure it's a safe bet what my takeaway from Suicide Squad will be. David Aryer is a different director from Snyder and I expect him to have different intent when it comes to the film. I'm just not sure that this is really him trying to make something more like a MCU film or a GotG or whatever, but failing at it.
That's what disappointed me the most out of this so far failed experiment. The conceptual ideas of how they did this, starting off with a universe that's already firmly entrenched and already had heroes for years is really should. The thematic ideology behind what these films are trying to portray really speaks to the things I enjoy and love. But they started it with the wrong man in charge and a severe lack of talent to execute that vision. And it likely means that they well be decidedly safe sand basically just ape off of marvel moving forward. And that is pretty disappointing.
 

CloudWolf

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He's already talking about Guardians of the Galaxy. He basically says he wanted them to be more like the guardians of the galaxy.

I haven't watched GotG since my only watch in the theatre. The third act is indefensible. Which is the same criticism that many are pointing out with Suicide Squad.
For some reason people liked the Carebear stare and dance battle in GotG. No, I don't know why either.
 
I really don't know what DC do now. I mean clearly all that matters is money and this may still do well at the box office, but one terribly reviewed film is bad luck but two is starting to look like a pattern. If they need to double down on batman then fine... The animated films and universe has been shoehorning batman in for years and that seems to work.
 

Xater

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I really don't know what DC do now. I mean clearly all that matters is money and this may still do well at the box office, but one terribly reviewed film is bad luck but two is starting to look like a pattern. If they need to double down on batman then fine... The animated films and universe has been shoehorning batman in for years and that seems to work.

I thought Batman is in this, so they are already shoehorning him into stuff.

It's the same as console wars. People take sides.

Which is just so weird to me. Reading comics I barely know any people that just take one side. People just enjoy good comics. For consoles I can almost understnad it if you are tied to just one device, but with films you have free choice what to watch. There are literally zero stakes to be had.
 

duckroll

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I thought Batman is in this, so they are already shoehorning him into stuff.

Is it really shoehorning when you make a movie about Suicide Squad, and decide to add Harley to the line up? Once you do that, you pretty much have to include Joker in it somehow, just for connective tissue. Once you do that, you might as well throw in Batman because... why not?
 

-Plasma Reus-

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Why would you make a Suicide Squad without Batman in it at least to some degree?
Batman in a Flash movie can be a shoehorn, Batman in a Green Lantern movie too, but in a Suicide Squad movie? Makes no sense.
 
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