Cornbread78
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I'll do a "my shit for your shit" watchbet trade with anyone and match episode for episode, lol.
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Summer Anime 2016 |OT| Makes Me Happy When Skies Are Grey
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I've been watching a bit more american cartoons recently. (log horizon is the first anime I have watched in a bit, and part of that was hoping for some inspiration for my writing. I haven't gotten any, but I am not minding the show either.)
Steven Universe is great.
Star vs the forces of evil has a good first season, the second season has been meh so far but is looking better.
The Loud House in general is enjoyable, it's not anything special, but it does give me a rugrats feel of kids just having fun and being crazy.
yeah yeah, you are likely my top target to do a bet with right now just because I have a really good idea of what you like and don't like so can easily recommend something that you could like but haven't looked at
you ever hear of a show called Kaleido Star
?Heh, that Eva discussion. Anyways, chiming in to the topic, I get it. Like when I watched it, I freaking detested the ending. But at the same time, I feel like it is good to examine stories beyond "does it entertain me?" and "does it make me happy?". Not saying you have to examine Eva super deeply, but you know, not every story is trying to evoke good feelings.
Dedication Through Light
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Admiral Woofington
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People always get so defensive when folks don't like Eva.
I mean I recognize its cultural significance but lord knows I have no desire to ever watch it again even if I remember jack shit about it.
I love dank parodies though.
I mean I recognize its cultural significance but lord knows I have no desire to ever watch it again even if I remember jack shit about it.
I love dank parodies though.
PshycoNinja
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yeah yeah, you are likely my top target to do a bet with right now just because I have a really good idea of what you like and don't like so can easily recommend something that you could like but haven't looked at
I don't ever have to watchbet cornbread because we fundamentally like the same anime. Clannad? Amazing! Your Lie in April? One of the best. So when I like a show and say he will like it, he usually does. And it works vice-versa, too.
This is basically where I am at right now.
half a moon
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Is kadocha, cardcaptor sakura, fuushigi yugi, and sailor moon s uncut anime/manga suitable for a 5 year old girl? I think cardcaptor sakura had young lesbian and old/young male gay hints or something?
oh that is the main reason why I would bet him just to pass on a show I am pretty sure he will like while likely being motivated to watch one I will likely enjoy
the least likely person I could see myself watch betting with.
Admiral Woofington
but that is mostly because I am a cat person.
that and we rarely seem to see eye to eye even though they aren't a disagreeable uh... person... dog.... Creature, that is it Creature
you can imply those themes in cardcatpors but they wouldn't be apparent to a 5 year old. The 4 kids version as meh as it is would be a safe watch for that as they removed a lot of stuff.
kadocha I would like to say would be fine, but I feel a lot of the themes are aimed a bit older than 5 more like 10.
the other two I can't say for sure.
What???
Subtext in S would go over her head and no to Fushigi Yuugi as there's a fair bit of violence in it.
Cardcaptor Sakura was one of that shows I watched on Sunday mornings when I was really young. But I really remember almost nothing about it. Your main concern should be violence, but I don't think it was leaning that way, so maybe go for it. I'm pretty sure she'll like it.
half a moon
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They cut things tho. I'm not sure how much young relatiomship hints they have. It's not anout homosexuality it's about age of characters.
Like between the male protagainst sakuras rival or whatever and sakura's brother or her brother's friend.
Dedication Through Light
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ROUND VERNIAN VIFAM #16 All Hands on Deck! Bring Katue Back
would take Kate over Katue, sorry
Cornbread78
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Magical Index ep.1
I don't remember who's rec this was or why, but I decided to give it s go since I'm almost done Bebop now. So far, there's a weird loli magician, a crazy middle school girl esper and a HS MC who has a useless esper power which gives him nothing but bad luck... What am I getting myself into here?
Going to admit I've never watch any more than part of one episode way back when. It didnt attract me then, and since I got into anime I never felt the need to go and watch it. Probably because of what I know of it now and its significance. Certainly I recognise that, just as I do Akira which I never was into. But again at this point its memories from when I wasnt a anime fan.
Of course looking at my anime history, its filled with significant and/or supposedly loved by everyone anime (such as most ghibli films, bebop, the shonen jump triumvirate to name three) that I was either meh on or so uninterested in I don't see myself ever watching. Not quite sure why that is...I mean if you look at my western media tastes its not hurrendeous esoteric or iconoclastic. Its pretty mainstream really.
Admiral Woofington
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Neijmaki 5
This show continues to impress, I feel more here should be watching it. Visually it isn't anything special, but the tone, lead characters and military aspect have been hitting it out of the park in a semi-fantasy setting. This episode we had the obligatory 'how we met' flashback episode, which was enjoyable. Two childhood friends without romantic tension is fantastic. Even if secretly they're into each other there's no unnecessary anime blushing and romantic comedy crap.
This show continues to impress, I feel more here should be watching it. Visually it isn't anything special, but the tone, lead characters and military aspect have been hitting it out of the park in a semi-fantasy setting. This episode we had the obligatory 'how we met' flashback episode, which was enjoyable. Two childhood friends without romantic tension is fantastic. Even if secretly they're into each other there's no unnecessary anime blushing and romantic comedy crap.
Death of the author is such a fascinating subject to me, if only because it makes a huge fundamental difference in how one approaches criticism of an artistic work and yet it's impossible for different views on the matter to be reconciled in a way that satisfies anyone.
GoldCrusader
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For cardcaptor sakura in the anime the hints are too small so a 5 year old should not notice. They are a bit more apparent in the manga but I really don't think they are a problem really.
If it's the teacher/kid relationship your talking about it's not in the anime but it is implied a bit in the manga.
The anime is also the better version go for that.
Yep, the chemistry between Ikta and Yatori is absolutely fantastic.
Sibersk Esto
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Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 Ep. 2
So many dangers that earthquakes can be used for. There are aftershocks, which are seemingly random and can be used at any time in the narrative. Obviously there's infrastructure damage, which presents it's own challenges.
Something in particular that I liked about this episode was the use of backgrounds and architecture. After the earthquake there are obvious changes, like cracked windows and broken stone and wood. But something I liked was how everything in the episode felt like it was off-center or off-balanced in a way.
So many dangers that earthquakes can be used for. There are aftershocks, which are seemingly random and can be used at any time in the narrative. Obviously there's infrastructure damage, which presents it's own challenges.
Something in particular that I liked about this episode was the use of backgrounds and architecture. After the earthquake there are obvious changes, like cracked windows and broken stone and wood. But something I liked was how everything in the episode felt like it was off-center or off-balanced in a way.
John Blade
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Okay, I watch Clannad as you keep asking me to watch it for a while so, I want you to watch Divergence Eve series.
Hellwarden
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Berserk Episode 6
Well, Skull Knight or a Middle Age Terminator is here.
Well, Skull Knight or a Middle Age Terminator is here.
Dedication Through Light
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I hope you like the OP cause Kawada Mami is a musical goddess. PSI-Missing is still one of the best anime songs.
Also Touma KAmijou is the best.
Trojita
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Hellwarden
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The summer 2016 anime season.
The season that ruined cat girls.
The season that ruined cat girls.
Trojita
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Cat people suck in general anyway.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That just seems more like an outright refusal to acknowledge any kind of subtext. Poe is like what middle schoolers read to understand subtext. (no offense to Poe.)
It's interesting to think about but its not an idea I subscribe to or even like. I used to think Barthes was difficult until I read Derrida - it also helped to know that my peers and sometimes even my professors didn't fully accept or understand the material, like quantum mechanics. I've definitely read stuff that seemed like the author themselves didn't know wtf they were talking about and were presenting a half baked idea.
On one hand, claiming to know what the author's intentions were regardless of context can lead to a new or unique view.
On the other hand, psychologically the author will insert things that they themselves didn't intend, but regardless it is part of the narrative.
actually think leather is pretty tacky tbhh
I don't think it's impossible. It's only impossible if you're a stubborn person who is only interested in arguing over a concept rather than discussing the art itself.
When it comes to intent of narrative or intent of character, it is very important to pay attention to the evidence in the text itself, rather than extrapolate from possible metaphors. Regardless of how you feel about death of the author, it just makes sense that when dealing with specifics - things which either are or aren't, there has to be evidence in the text to support it.
But moving beyond that, once there is evidence in the text to support the intent of a scene or a motivation, it is totally acceptable to look for poetic accompaniment in a scene that enhance that intent or highlight it in other ways. Some of this will be clearly intended by the author. Some of this might not. It can be a coincidence, but that doesn't change the point - that it existing as it is, with the intent already established and supported by the text, is an effective means of enhancing and/or highlighting that intent further.
Let's take that stupid curtain example. Is the character in fact depressed and lacking the will to carry on? Can this be established in the text ignoring the color of the curtains? If it can, then recognizing that the color of the curtains in the scene being the color they are, with the knowledge of what mood and feelings that color represents in general, will provide the conclusion that the curtains being blue in the scene is fitting thematically, because it accurately reflects the feelings of the character. Why is this useful? Because regardless of the author's intent itself, this example can teach us how the setting of the scene can enhance the emotional state of a character using color psychology. What a student can learn from this is that the same techniques can be applied in future in works of their own, with intent. Knowledge is power.
No English teacher of any worth will draw a conclusion on a character's state of mind -entirely- from the the color of curtains in a scene without anything else establishing that intent. So that's a really dumb example to begin with.
Admiral Woofington
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Dungeons and Puppets 5
Man they blue-balled the shit out of me with that interruption lmao, here's where I joke they ran out of
money.
God damn, I mean yeah it's still interesting but I was looking forward to it.
Man they blue-balled the shit out of me with that interruption lmao, here's where I joke they ran out of
puppet fighting and special effects
God damn, I mean yeah it's still interesting but I was looking forward to it.
Yes, yes we are and I can also add pointless to that list.
I think the other thing worth taking into consideration is the skill of the author/creator as well. For example if the creator isn't known to be as detailed oriented enough to take into consideration color psychology then chances are they aren't likely in that case to be using it. There will usually be a pattern either in the text itself or the creator's history. For example I wouldn't expect appropriate color usage mimicking a character's mentality from Alan Taylor compared to David Fincher. However that's less about the scene itself but rather crediting the director/author with due accord.
Cornbread78
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Hmm, dude. That's got a 6 rating on MAL. That might be worse than Green Green, lol. Clannad is all 9's!
So much this... I mean, we see how they are in the future and even if they "hook up" later, the tsble has alreasy been set for him to be done "sewing his wild oats" and ready to settle down. It would feel like a nature relationship developement over tine that was obtaibed through personal growth.
I'll keep that in mind.
"Skill of the author" is completely dubious. It's an intangible formed by opinions and interpretations and will vary from person to person. The art of critique has to be based on the work itself and not what people think of the author. It is a huge mistake to have preconceived notions when discussing a work, because you color your view of the work with your perception of the author. It should -never- be taken into consideration, because the point of art is that if something works, it works. If you look at something and have interesting things to say about it, but then turn the label around and realize to your horror that the creator is seen as a dumb hack, and then change your mind about what you have to say because of that, you are not being honest.
I highly enjoyed both seasons of index and both seasons of railgun. I honestly think you'll enjoy it
Just as an fyi though, I've only ever seen it dubbed (not because I couldn't watch the sub, rather I just really liked the dub).
Admiral Woofington
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91 Days 5
I expect the show to start time jumping at some point. Because there's no way in hell they have 91 episodes and we're still in day 5. Probably once they reach a major milestone it'll skip like 80ish days as they rise the ranks and he plans his attack?
Looks like things are heating up. Alliances dissolve, new ones are made, and
shows its ugly face. Just like my HBO mafias animes.
Before I knew it the episode was over. 5 episodes in and still amazing. Here's to my AOTS and probably top 5 AOTY candidate continuing doing well.
I still love the shots in this show.
I expect the show to start time jumping at some point. Because there's no way in hell they have 91 episodes and we're still in day 5. Probably once they reach a major milestone it'll skip like 80ish days as they rise the ranks and he plans his attack?
Looks like things are heating up. Alliances dissolve, new ones are made, and
betrayal
Before I knew it the episode was over. 5 episodes in and still amazing. Here's to my AOTS and probably top 5 AOTY candidate continuing doing well.
John Blade
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That's why I would like to see how you react about the show. It would be interesting to see how you try to understand what the creator want to make this show and what make it even weird, the Japanese audience love it somehow that it come out a sequel for this.
Still, will be great to see what you think about it.
Just looked at the MAL page for this thing and the synopsis on the page...
Is this the full anime version of fucking "Mars of Destruction" ?! Because it fucking sounds like it is.
I view that as being impossible as you're always going to have preconceived notions going into a work. You're not going to expect an Adam Sandler film to be to the same standard as Edgar Wright. As such I believe acknowledging that is important. Now if there's contradictions of your opinion or notions then that also should be taken into consideration. The problem people run into is not adjusting their opinions based on new or relevant information. There is nothing wrong with a work turning out to be much better than expected despite the director/creator. Under/Over-reading a text is very much a thing. Even if the text is there to support a connection or theme, that doesn't mean that connection/theme was intended.
I think their official Twitter account is providing pictures of a flowchart.
No way we still in day 5, Nero and Angelo happy trip in the countryside definitely took more than few days.
Well, at least cat people are better than elves... maybe.
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I don't think we can be friends
Well, at least cat people are better than elves... maybe.
Admiral Woofington
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Unless the show is calling every episode 'day' then though which makes more sense then. Because they said 'day 5' at the beginning title card unless I'm crazy
I think you're completely missing the point I was making. My point is that there is no such thing as under/over-reading a text when it comes to appreciating thematic harmony. What is important is first understanding what the intent of the text is. There has to be direct evidence of that. But once the intent is understood, making connections that support that intent further do not require intent, it only requires relevance. Which means if it works, it works. Is it intended? Who cares? By acknowledging that it works, and appreciating that, we build the vocabulary of our literary senses. This makes us more aware of what sort of thematic expressions work and how elements can harmonize each other. Did the person putting that together intend all that? Maybe, maybe not, but that's not important.
This is about how we can reconcile the approach of death of the author with the approach of needing to know authorial intent. It's easy, we just need to understand where the importance of authorial intent ends. It ends once the base intent is clear. If the intent is not clear, then anything drawn from it is completely subjective with no proven basis. It doesn't mean the reading is invalid, just weak. On the other hand if the intent is clear, then there isn't really such a thing as "over reading" it when we look for how things work together to enhance that intent. It becomes recognition and appreciation of how it all fits together, regardless of authorial intent.
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