Spinosaurus
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My friends vastly prefer Brawl over Melee and PM. :lol
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT3| Little Mac and Cheese
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Thanks for this discussion btw.Yeah, a lot of her better down-throw follow ups require very rapid and precise follow ups and you have to predict how your opponent will react to being thrown if you want to connect them with any consistency
I'd practice the down-airs without fast-falling but I'm kind of hoping the wii-U version will fix that for me by virtue of having a second stick, so i'm not toooo worried about it. That said, it's a very cool thing to land that spike, especially off the ledge from a down throw into forward air, forward air, land then quickly hop and spike :3
Oh, random discovery I'd forgotten about: as far as I can tell, the odd angle that her Auto-Reticule is fired at means it can't really be reflected back at her properly. I've noticed several times during palutena mirrors, or against the likes of other characters with reflectors that I don't have to fear my own shots being bounced back at me :3
Regarding Auto-Reticule, I had for sure noticed that. As long as you keep the right distance, you can really abuse the hell out of it in order to pressure your opponent into attacking. It's especially potent on Ω levels.
Dr. Buni
Member
So do I. Can't say a lot about PM, but Melee is my least favorite game in the series.
Yes, the slide pad continues to be a nuisance. It's imprecise enough that I attack the wrong way on the ground when I clearly pressed inputs to face the other way. And I can't 100% reliably get out the desired air attack (up, neutral, side) in the heat of the moment. It's actually so damn silly that I expect it and factor these errors into my gameplay.
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
I did.
But then I learned the true ways of l-canceling and wave dashing.
Brawl is molasses.
Spinosaurus
Member
I actually do too, just because I enjoy the characters in it more, mostly Wario and Snake. In Melee, I can't find a character I enjoy a lot to actually focus on (although I enjoy the mechanics a lot so I still play it regularly), and I really dislike PM Wario and Snake so that left a bitter taste. (I only use Diddy in PM anyway since I can't find anyone else I like enough so it gets boring lol)
My friends find Melee too slippery and PM too gimmicky, honestly. I can see why, since they don't play Smash often anyway and Brawl is simple enough for them now even if they grew up with 64/Melee, I guess.
Smash 4 is cool tho.
Troubled Bat
Member
I guess i'm not worthy for anyone. :c
Spinosaurus
Member
I've been telling you to play me for the past 5 days but NOOOOO. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Geminosity
Member
No worries, that's what forums are for: discussion
If you discover any awesome Palu-tech though, let us know :3
I'm somewhat also looking forward to the Wii-U because then I'll probably just play with customs on a lot (celestial firework is more fun than it should be allowed to be... I love abusing those invincibility frames
)It feels odd that they put all this work into customs and then basically disallowed it online vs anyone not on your friends list... you'd figure they'd have at least allowed them on 'for fun' or something
I'm not entirely convinced that comparing the 3DS wireless internet connection to the Wii-U's potentially wired (lan adaptor for the win!) connection is a great way to predict what the connections are likely going to be. That said, As long as I play people in europe my matches have been near lagless anyhoo
I thought I liked Melee a lot more than it turns out I did after going back to it a few days ago. It just feels oddly clunky without the buffering and it seems more stubborn on it's inputs than PM or smash 4 do (I struggled to short-hop in my melee matches, often getting no reaction at all, while in PM the exact same input on the exact same pad gives me a short-hop every time :/ )
I'm not sure how well smash 4 will do with the groups I play with but I'm hoping it'll go down well and a lot seem to be wiling to give it a shot. I definitely appreciate the playable roster a lot more this time around, that's for sure XD
Troubled Bat
Member
I've been telling you to play me for the past 5 days but NOOOOO. ¯_(ツ
I don't want to play someone with a losing streak. ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°)
Dude the range is pretty big. If you are driving somewhere on the interstate bring the DS. You will get hits from passing cars.
Really? That's reassuring. I've had my 3DS for less than a year and really haven't bothered with any of the StreetPass stuff, but I didn't know it worked like that.
Karsticles
Member
That makes me feel better, because I think Bowser and Charizard have very similar matchups. They have some different defining characteristics, but I don't think they affect the matchup chart much.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
That hardly seems like the kind of challenge to grind on. Do you plan to stop playing the game once you've completed the challenges? It's not like these challenges are locking away characters or stages, the ones that unlock due to play time and various durations you should really just unlock naturally. There's no rush, let it come when it comes.
Just go to a starbucks or something, StreetPass Relay Points should clear that for you pretty dang quick.
I think Smash 4 has the best gameplay out of the 4, and most of the problems with the 3DS version are probably going to be fixed in the Wii U version (lack of options, small fighters, laggy online, bad stage selection, poor controls, not enough side content). I only wish that more characters had meteor smashes (that don't require them to commit suicide), as those are my favorite way to get a KO. Toon Link's down air is really awful because it just cuts right through them, so there's barely any incentive to use it over the ledge anymore.
KittenMaster
Member
I street passed like three or four people that had Smash Bros. yesterday and none of them bothered to turn on street smash. >_>
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Yeah they are very similar for the most part while being very different. Those differences give Bowser the edge in the Zard match up though imo. I need to start using Zards Up-B more often as a counter tool. It straight up kills past 120%
I brought my 3DS to the LoZ symphony a couple of years ago; so many street passes. Go around two hundred. My friend and I were taking turns trying to clear the queue by just grabbing pink puzzle pieces.
Now I've been getting them from Smash tournaments. I've only tried it twice so far, but I got twenty hits the first time and ten hits the second (because I bothered to clear them out once at the first one.)
Edit: Actually I probably just have the 12 hits in Smash. I got a couple on launch day, and haven't played Street Smash for real since. I never do well enough in practice to feel like I'm ready.
Now I've been getting them from Smash tournaments. I've only tried it twice so far, but I got twenty hits the first time and ten hits the second (because I bothered to clear them out once at the first one.)
Edit: Actually I probably just have the 12 hits in Smash. I got a couple on launch day, and haven't played Street Smash for real since. I never do well enough in practice to feel like I'm ready.
In theory I totally could, but I've gone too far into OCD town on this game now to let up till I've "finished" it, and then it can be a nice little game to break out when I want to play some multiplayer. But for now, I just really want to be done with the challenge board and trophies since I'm so darn close. But Smash Running still has yet to unlock it. On the plus side though, I'm getting a decent number of "unlocked all of character x's custom moves" messages in the process!
Geminosity
Member
Heh, at first this kinda baffled me too until I looked at the UI and realised that it was basically hidden away on a tiny icon on the screen where most people won't even think to check it, or even notice it half the time I imagine
If there's one thing they've really done a terrible job with in this game it's the UI... as a demonstration I'll often hand people my 3DS and ask them to find the game mode 'trophy rush'. If they even find it at all, it usually takes well over 3 minutes :s
Spinosaurus
Member
Try jab->jab2->up b. This is near guaranteed on larger characters.
Timing can be strict and it's REALLY punishable if missed lol.
Seriously, screw whoever thought bouncing fish as down-b and burst grenade as side-b was a good idea. I think I've had it with Sheik (at least on the 3DS version). I'm so inconsistent with her and it feels like I can't control her properly at all.
Out of the characters I used, the only problem I have with inputs seems to be with Sheik. Puff needs a c-stick, but that's just the 3DS lacking a second stick.
Out of the characters I used, the only problem I have with inputs seems to be with Sheik. Puff needs a c-stick, but that's just the 3DS lacking a second stick.
I'm not sure I get why that's an issue? I guess I'm just fine with it because bouncing fish is really similar to ZSS' down-b.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I had some problems going back to PM. It seems way too clunky, which I definitely wasn't expecting.
Shamrock7r
Member
I preferred a lot of the gameplay changes that brawl and smash 4 implemented over melee. I always preffered the concept of analyzing and adapting to your opponents actions, which brawl puts a greater emphasis on, over memorization of long combo strings as the main strategy, which is what it feels like In melee and to an extent project m. Brawl is heavily defensive at times though, while melee to me goes too far the other way. I'm hoping get the meta game of smash 4 proves to be a happy medium. I will say though, it's much more fun to watch melee and project m matches vs brawl, speaking strictly from an audience perspective.
You said you didn't care. </3
Oki seems like a really, really big part of Smash 4--there's less true, unbreakable combos and more setups for putting yourself at a positioning advantage after a hit. The game makes that positioning advantage a big enough incentive to encourage aggression but not so much to keep there from being a robust defensive game, so it feels very well balanced in that sense.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Hmm I'll give it a shot, if anything I could always just swap to Dedede for zards harder match ups
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Deleted member 125677
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Question about unlocking characters etc:
Do you unlock every characters just by playing classic mode on any difficulty? I have been playing on standard difficulty, just to get a feel of all the different characters, and the flow of new challengers seems to have stopped.
Do I need to do lots of other stuff, play on other difficulties etc to unlock things as well? Spoiler reply for others if necessary, personally I don't mind.
Do you unlock every characters just by playing classic mode on any difficulty? I have been playing on standard difficulty, just to get a feel of all the different characters, and the flow of new challengers seems to have stopped.
Gannondorf coming in last
Do I need to do lots of other stuff, play on other difficulties etc to unlock things as well? Spoiler reply for others if necessary, personally I don't mind.
Spinosaurus
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Guys Olimar is fun
He's fun
Why
Are you up for Zard mirrors, btw?
He's fun
Why
It works on lighter character as well but there's a risk of them DI'ing out of them. I always make sure they're close enough and I pull it off most of the time. Love how much it catches people off guard online lol.Hmm I'll give it a shot, if anything I could always just swap to Dedede for zards harder match ups
Are you up for Zard mirrors, btw?
There are 3 characters that have unlock requirements outside classic, namely clear 100-man melee, collect 200 different throphies and collect 30 different pieces of equipment.
I'm not 100% sure on the difficulty requirements for classic, but I think one of them need 6.0 or higher with a specific character.
Bowser
Diprosalic
Banned
so do i. i guess not vastly but i prefer it a bit over melee and i dislike PM.
megarockexe
Member
Speaking of Melee, don't the graphics just look nasty now? I haven't played it in many many years, but this new game vastly improves the visual quality all around.
Spinosaurus
Member
I really like how Melee looks. *shrugs*
Except for Falco.
Except for Falco.
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Deleted member 13876
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Can't say that they do.
Glitchesarecool
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Because his UpB is viable now?
Spinosaurus
Member
Glitchesarecool
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Honestly getting back to the stage and not needing to panic about having enough Pikmin to recover really made him stand out more to me.
Still maining Link and Ganondorf, but at least I can feel comfortable playing him now.
Troubled Bat
Member
I was just poking fun at Spin! XD
ZSS doesn't have a side-b that will stop horizontal momentum and puts it in a helpless state. And people control bouncing fish's distance more often than ZSS's flip jump, so people would have the circle pad diagonal.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I don't prefer it myself, but I definitely respect where you're coming from with this.
People always say Melee is the harder game to play because 'techskill', but I think that's the opposite of correct. Most people can learn tech skill with practice. In Melee just playing fast can overwhelm players sometimes. In Brawl it feels like you have to be a lot more intelligent about how you handle the highly emphasized neutral game. It's something that's much harder to teach someone. I guess at a high level both are probably just as draining. I don't know, I'm bad lol.
Granted, reading and adaptation are important across the board.
But yeah, personally I feel like Melee hits the sweetspot there. Smash 64 goes too far with the combos, Melee's in the middle, and Brawl is towards the opposite extreme. The interplay between opponent's during combos is a lot more significant than 64; DI is stronger, can tech off walls, and probably some other things. I guess at this point Smash 4 slides in right between Melee and Brawl. But it still feels like there's this gap in between the first two and the latest two just in terms of play style. If we could get even more medium it'd probably be great.
Not really nasty. A little plain at times.
I think Smash 4 looks the best in the series by a good bit though. You have weird things like Smash 4 Ganon, or Sm4sh/Brawl Fox, but for the most part the visuals have improved or at least not really gotten worse.
In Brawl, it FEELS like you have to be smarter and take time to analyze the situation because it's slower, but it's not really the case. Brawl at any given time has less options to consider and at a slower pace. Melee has considerably more thrown at you and demands quicker thinking. I've been on both sides, so I'm not talking out of thin air. Most people say that because they struggle with the controls at a higher level to the point that it hinders their game. It's only once you pass a technical hump that the game does open up a lot more.