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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT3| Little Mac and Cheese
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MasterCheeze
Member
Sure, got the patch downloaded 'n' ready to play. FC is 0688-5933-2030.
OK I added, make a room. I have to figure out new strategy since they nerf my characters
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Not playing a good Ness....
I know. A good Ness is scary.
MasterCheeze
Member
Good games, Jr.! I gotta get heading to bed, but awesome Greninja, yo. I gotta find out more ways to work around that water shuriken, never knew it could be so effective.
GGS, they tainted him with this patch, can't cancel into shadow sneak no more from down+a and they nerfed his up+a. Sigh
Geminosity
Member
Ah! Handy. I'll keep an eye out for that then :3
I noticed his homing attack also doesn't care about Palutena's counter as it hits too high to be smacked with the retaliatory attack
MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! IT'S STILL IN!!! >
...on a more serious note though, there's a small delay after the grab where luma won't react and I know mario's back-throw will swat luma out of the way before it recovers. It's probably worth looking at sonic's throws to see if any have a similar effect or just remember to jump/block immediately after the throw goes off (and don't waste time pummelling or you're just asking to get luma'd
)Alternatively, save your throws for when luma isn't nearby. Rosa can't recall luma when she's in throw state so she can't pull it back into range.
Is it really still in?Ah! Handy. I'll keep an eye out for that then :3
I noticed his homing attack also doesn't care about Palutena's counter as it hits too high to be smacked with the retaliatory attack
MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! IT'S STILL IN!!! >
...on a more serious note though, there's a small delay after the grab where luma won't react and I know mario's back-throw will swat luma out of the way before it recovers. It's probably worth looking at sonic's throws to see if any have a similar effect or just remember to jump/block immediately after the throw goes off (and don't waste time pummelling or you're just asking to get luma'd
Alternatively, save your throws for when luma isn't nearby. Rosa can't recall luma when she's in throw state so she can't pull it back into range.
I hope so. Even though I kinda hate Rosaluma, a second character seems kinda... not pointless, but it takes away a lot of appeal if they can't help you out of grabs.
Geminosity
Member
!7:10, right screen on http://www.twitch.tv/clashtournaments/c/5519484
Otakumegane
Member
How do you autocancel with ike nair?
I can't seem to nail it.
I can't seem to nail it.
I think the idea is you use it at the peak of your short hop, then when you fastfall down the animation of the attack stops short of the full attack.
MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! IT'S STILL IN!!! >
...on a more serious note though, there's a small delay after the grab where luma won't react and I know mario's back-throw will swat luma out of the way before it recovers. It's probably worth looking at sonic's throws to see if any have a similar effect or just remember to jump/block immediately after the throw goes off (and don't waste time pummelling or you're just asking to get luma'd
Alternatively, save your throws for when luma isn't nearby. Rosa can't recall luma when she's in throw state so she can't pull it back into range.
Oh yeah, it is still in, based on that video. That's ridiculous. Sonic doesn't have any throw that's fast enough where Luma won't hit him if he lands a grab or push it out of the way, even if you skip the pummeling. Even in that video, DK barely has time to do anything after a grab until luma hits him out of it.
A puppet character that can control their puppet during hit stun / throw state. Wow. Basically, I just can't ever grab her if Luma's next to her.
Luma can still act while Rosalina's grabbed?
It's cool that they toned down some of the top tiers, but some of the others (Sonic, Diddy) pretty much escaped unscathed. I don't like the universal buffing of air dodges either. That said, many of the lesser characters (such as Shulk and Ike) got some legitimate boosts that make me happy.Marth/Lucina (who were solid characters) most certainly got boosted to the point where they're serious contenders in high level play.
It's cool that they toned down some of the top tiers, but some of the others (Sonic, Diddy) pretty much escaped unscathed. I don't like the universal buffing of air dodges either. That said, many of the lesser characters (such as Shulk and Ike) got some legitimate boosts that make me happy.
Masked Man
I said wow
Luma can still act while Rosalina's grabbed?
It's cool that they toned down some of the top tiers, but some of the others (Sonic, Diddy) pretty much escaped unscathed. I don't like the universal buffing of air dodges either. That said, many of the lesser characters (such as Shulk and Ike) got some legitimate boosts that make me happy. Marth/Lucina (who were solid characters) most certainly got boosted to the point where they're serious contenders in high level play.
But I thought we had confirmation of that change on the Wii U version...? Given the ridiculous combos Sonic and Diddy were capable of before, I'm amazed that they were barely touched. I'm excited that Shulk got some boosts, though. All this Xenoblade has got me hyped to really learn the character in Smash.
Geminosity
Member
Oh dear god. I just got off For Glory against an opponent who would NOT stop rolling.
"but Gem, you say rollling is punishable."
Why yes! Yes I do, observant person in the crowd and that is still true, which is why I beat the snot out of them repeatedly, match after match after match... but they wouldn't stop rolling. No matter how often I punished them, no matter how many times I 2 stocked them, they. would. not. stop. rolling.
Eventually, somewhere down the line, I lost the will to even play and resorted to just standing there and when I was too bored to even press buttons or think my roll happy opponent finally won a match.
This got me to thinking that I needed to find a simple 'roll punisher' that involved minimal effort on my part to deal with rolly-polly opponents like this so I could show them the error of their ways without having to stay conscious through their snore-inducing gameplan and after a few matches it dawned on me... ZELDA!
Why is zelda great for this? for one I can just press 'B' to win. If they roll past me to do their down smash for the 1000th time? I don't even need to time it much, the B stays out long enough that it'll hit them and because it hits both sides i don't have to exert any energy to even turn around. When they get frustrated and go at a distance to try and pelt me I can still just B to reflect it back and if I feel cheeky, from time to time I can telefrag them with up-B.
Needless to say, my rolly-polly opponent didn't win any more matches once I put on my elf ears and began the crystal dance and I was happy because it stopped me feeling like my braincells were dying :3
Nonetheless, after a few matches of this my disgust at their inability to adapt/change eventually took over and I'm not one to farm wins so I called it a night
Morale of the story: If you're playing on FG, it's good to have a character that can punish rolls with minimal effort from you so if you come across a roll-obsessed opponent you don't have to waste too much energy punishing them when they show that their ability to learn is glacial/non-existant
From this day forth, Zelda is my "stop goddamn rolling" character :3
"but Gem, you say rollling is punishable."
Why yes! Yes I do, observant person in the crowd and that is still true, which is why I beat the snot out of them repeatedly, match after match after match... but they wouldn't stop rolling. No matter how often I punished them, no matter how many times I 2 stocked them, they. would. not. stop. rolling.
Eventually, somewhere down the line, I lost the will to even play and resorted to just standing there and when I was too bored to even press buttons or think my roll happy opponent finally won a match.
This got me to thinking that I needed to find a simple 'roll punisher' that involved minimal effort on my part to deal with rolly-polly opponents like this so I could show them the error of their ways without having to stay conscious through their snore-inducing gameplan and after a few matches it dawned on me... ZELDA!
Why is zelda great for this? for one I can just press 'B' to win. If they roll past me to do their down smash for the 1000th time? I don't even need to time it much, the B stays out long enough that it'll hit them and because it hits both sides i don't have to exert any energy to even turn around. When they get frustrated and go at a distance to try and pelt me I can still just B to reflect it back and if I feel cheeky, from time to time I can telefrag them with up-B.
Needless to say, my rolly-polly opponent didn't win any more matches once I put on my elf ears and began the crystal dance and I was happy because it stopped me feeling like my braincells were dying :3
Nonetheless, after a few matches of this my disgust at their inability to adapt/change eventually took over and I'm not one to farm wins so I called it a night
Morale of the story: If you're playing on FG, it's good to have a character that can punish rolls with minimal effort from you so if you come across a roll-obsessed opponent you don't have to waste too much energy punishing them when they show that their ability to learn is glacial/non-existant
From this day forth, Zelda is my "stop goddamn rolling" character :3
Karsticles
Member
Bowser is also one of the best roll punishers out there. Against roll-spammers, I will run right up to them and Fortress.
Did they spot dodge? They get hit!
Did they roll back? Push forward, and they barely get hit!
Did they roll forward? They get hit!
Did they spot dodge? They get hit!
Did they roll back? Push forward, and they barely get hit!
Did they roll forward? They get hit!
Geminosity
Member
Definitely! though this particular offender doesn't even need you to run up to them, they rolled everywhere. It's almost like they didn't know they could walk/run
Miles apart and they wanted to approach? they'd roll all the way over to you.
Sadly I don't play Bowser so while he did pop into my head when thinking of characters I could jump on to save my sanity, he wasn't really an option I would personally take. He's a perfectly reasonable choice for the job too though
KittenMaster
Member
Bowser Jr's F-Smash is poorly designed. Try it on CPUs that know how to vector every frame (even stuff like multi-man smash), it is impossible to land in those cases.
I wish Robin were better at punishing rolls. Down Smash is good enough when they're trying to roll behind you or whatever, but even when you correctly read in most other situations, there's not much you can do with the terribad grab and the dash attack.
RIP.Marth/Lucina (who were solid characters) most certainly got boosted to the point where they're serious contenders in high level play.
Troubled Bat
Member
Anybody want to go against The Batty?
goldenpp72
Member
Anyone willing to play with me? I'd consider myself of moderate skill, don't really care how we play (1 on 1, 2 on 2, FFA, items or not, etc)
Friend code is: 5241-2262-5176
I'll also have the U game when it's out so if you're looking for someone who will play that routinely too, well ya know
Friend code is: 5241-2262-5176
I'll also have the U game when it's out so if you're looking for someone who will play that routinely too, well ya know
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
I can't update the game. The eshop only displays promotional videos, no updates.
I had to find a QR code to go directly to the page. How can the 3DS UI be so profoundly bad?
I had to find a QR code to go directly to the page. How can the 3DS UI be so profoundly bad?
KittenMaster
Member
Search for "Price: Any - 0" it should show up.
Did it work? If so, that's probably the point.
I could see Little Mac playing a decent keep away, with rolls as quick as his. I've never had one try it on me though.
The Wii U's UI isn't much better. I haven't been able to find or download Hyrule Warriors DLC anywhere. For everything else, it isn't clear if a game or update is already downloading unless you press Home and and check the somewhat hidden Download Manager.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Mega Man is still awful
What did they do to Falco? I feel like he's in the bottom 5 for run speed in this game.
What did they do to Falco? I feel like he's in the bottom 5 for run speed in this game.
Karsticles
Member
Megaman is good...Mega Man is still awful
What did they do to Falco? I feel like he's in the bottom 5 for run speed in this game.
Have you played a good Megaman here?
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Everybody's "good" at this point, Mega Man just has some of the more evident weaknesses. Feels like he was designed before everyone else in a couple ways.
Karsticles, you're a well known bowser player here, any advice on how I can deal with Bowser short hop air dodge fortress trick? I only fought one bowser that did that and it was annoying and I haven't quite figure out how to deal with it. What the best way to see it coming and punish accordingly?
Karsticles
Member
You can grab him as he lands. Or hit him right as the air dodge is recovering, and Fortress is about to start up.
It's why I only really use it against people who are trying to space me out. If they are inclined to shield my approach, they can still punish.
Good. It's really satisfying to beat people that are trying to run the clock.
Though I kinda feel like the Glory clock should be 6 minutes instead. 5 feels low.
There a window to counter attack huh? Looks pretty instantaneous but I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
AnkiRendan
Member
Well, time to see how this patch treats my Toon Link...and of course I want more practice with Lucina. Anyone want to play?
Shamrock7r
Member
Well, time to see how this patch treats my Toon Link...and of course I want more practice with Lucina. Anyone want to play?
sure I will. 0301-9856-6792
I will host.
Edit:Oh wow you sent that awhile back actually. Don't know if you are still here. Does anyone feel like playing a few?
Just tested Ness on some cpus. In addition to his short hop no lag, it seems like his short hop fair has slightly less lag too. niiiiice
Guess I be your punching bag...make a room.
Shamrock7r
Member
A few things I am noticing for Ness players. the short hop allows you to do fairs much safer. You can also short hop dodge, AND hit a neutral air before you touch the ground. really good for safe approaching.
rockmanjoe
Member
Mega Man is still awful
What did they do to Falco? I feel like he's in the bottom 5 for run speed in this game.
Mega Man is not awful. Not even close. He just has a high learning curve since he has a ton of tools to use.
Masked Man
I said wow
Good to know! I'll give that a try when I get home. Thanks!
Shamrock7r
Member
I've played some really awesome Mega Man users. He has a ton of potential. Large learning curve though.
GGs Dood. Nice Samus. Watch out with all that rolling though. I was learning your pattern.
GGs Dood. Nice Samus. Watch out with all that rolling though. I was learning your pattern.
Samus has terrible moves to get people off her back though.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Ike buffs are godly, now Wii U Ike is going to be wrecking fools for sure.
Also I need reasons to play Falco pls Sakurai
Also I need reasons to play Falco pls Sakurai
Shamrock7r
Member
I will play a few. I'll host
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I'm bored, who wants to play me? FC in profile.