Yeah it would've been different... Little Mac wouldn't be as popular, people wouldn't be able to freely sit at an edge and safely spam projectiles from afar, etc etc. Platforms make a very large difference, especially in terms of making some strings possible that otherwise aren't on FD.
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT3| Little Mac and Cheese
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Yeah it would've been different... Little Mac wouldn't be as popular, people wouldn't be able to freely sit at an edge and safely spam projectiles from afar, etc etc. Platforms make a very large difference, especially in terms of making some strings possible that otherwise aren't on FD.
That is the first thing i'm using a gold hammer on for the 3rd page when i get the remaining 2.
Spinosaurus
Member
Battlefield is more neutral than FD as well.
I finished it, wasn't too bad. Had to redo a couple of them just because I rolled the dice poorly on the final event, but them's the breaks.
PeterVenkman
Member
My god level 9 CPU reads projectiles every time. Click B to charge ? Mario will.have a fireball ready at the same timing. Counters too, they hand those out for free.
I know it's not exactly related to this game, but what do you think is more neutral: Battlefield or Smashville?
When I play Melee people often ask at the start, "Do you want to just go to Battlefield?". Playing Brawl and PM though, it's usually Smashville instead.
Yup, they are ridiculous with counters.
I agree. I only ever get it about once per match, hopefully the frequency is about the same in the Wii U version and this isn't the consequence of limiting item appearance in the 3DS version.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Smashville for sure. Top platform on battlefield can be pretty major in some matchups (like most good characters vs Peach). If it didn't have that I'd probably say battlefield, though Melee battlefield does have those dumb edges.
It was also interesting that a lot of players (especially spacies) are beginning to prefer Yoshi's to Battlefield.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Don't be reckless and grab them.
yesterday the game arrived. Compared to all you i havent played the game at all, i know. But i have already spent some time with 4 or so characters and...
1. like i said yesterday, falcon represents that momentum when jumping after running is missing.
2. little mac represent that canceling the run animation with crouch is missing. The first time that you run with little mac feels awesome, until you realice that all you have to stop the run animation is your shield. Running doesnt feel that great. I would like the controls to let me control it better.
3. THE BIG ONE: shulk represents that THE YELLOW STICK IS MISSING!! did they desing shulk with the yellow stick in mind or what!?
4. WHY IS NOT EVERYONE LIKE SHEIK??
(Basically, i only spent some time with those characters
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1. like i said yesterday, falcon represents that momentum when jumping after running is missing.
2. little mac represent that canceling the run animation with crouch is missing. The first time that you run with little mac feels awesome, until you realice that all you have to stop the run animation is your shield. Running doesnt feel that great. I would like the controls to let me control it better.
3. THE BIG ONE: shulk represents that THE YELLOW STICK IS MISSING!! did they desing shulk with the yellow stick in mind or what!?
4. WHY IS NOT EVERYONE LIKE SHEIK??
(Basically, i only spent some time with those characters
)boiled goose
good with gravy
Can someone please ask sakurai to mix up the fd versions of changes for the wiiu version? Some stages can be battlefield layout? Others fd, others some unique platform layouts.
when you asked where to watch Big House 4 tournament matches... did you saw that i answered you??
edit: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=133084241&postcount=408
TheSlySoul
Member
I did not realize Bacura was not Andross' projectiles. Polygons all look the same...
Really all they have to do is use the All-Star versions of some of them, IE Warioware without minigames.
1. Very disappointing. But it is what it is. For some reason someone in this world mistakenly thinks that this approach has any merit at all. So we just have to adapt to it.yesterday the game arrived. Compared to all you i havent played the game at all, i know. But i have already spent some time with 4 or so characters and...
1. like i said yesterday, falcon represents that momentum when jumping after running is missing.
2. little mac represent that canceling the run animation with crouch is missing. The first time that you run with little mac feels awesome, until you realice that all you have to stop the run animation is your shield. Running doesnt feel that great. I would like the controls to let me control it better.
3. THE BIG ONE: shulk represents that THE YELLOW STICK IS MISSING!! did they desing shulk with the yellow stick in mind or what!?
4. WHY IS NOT EVERYONE LIKE SHEIK??
(Basically, i only spent some time with those characters
2. Marth/Lucina make that clearer to me. Weird how long it takes to dtilt out of dash, but still kinda works. You do have options besides shield though. Pivot ftilt/grab are good for cross ups and retreats. Dash attack of course, though that's pretty committed. Jumping is a valid option for characters that aren't Mac. Even when you have to go with shield there, that's not as bad now. Shield will drop super fast, so you can basically do any move out of it, or dash the other way. For Mac in particular, roll is also crazy fast.
3. I haven't played enough Shulk to know what you mean. What are you wanting to do with him? I mostly get buffs then jab/nair/up b.
4. I know, right? She feels almost like a Melee character. Almost.
I'm really surprised we never got a stage that was just Battlefield without the top platform. Would be great. I'm glad they got rid of the annoying edges in Melee though (and on that the note, the edges on Brawl FD too.)
Inferno313
Banned
Yeah, I'd take a "stage hazard toggle" over omega stages anyday.
Polioliolio
Member
It's like he thought 'oh.. you don't like my levels.. oh, you like final destination? FINE. Here are a million big empty flat platforms. HAVE FUN'
brickwalker0
Member
I sent you a PM with my 3DS friend code. I'll be on Destiny a bit this weekend as well, send me an invite if were both on.
In regards to the stages, I'd love it if they added a 'beta' variant in addition to the extant Omega mode; which would either add platforms to the FD variations or use a simplified version of the standard stage if it's already been made (i.e. Warioware, Magicant). Especially if the platform layouts were different between each instead of being Battlefield copies.
Nothing much. Just the stages, game modes / minigames, trophies, challenges, items, ATs and music. They might as well be the same game.
Nothing much. Just the stages, game modes / minigames, trophies, challenges, items, ATs and music. They might as well be the same game.
Spinosaurus
Member
Grab? No. Air game in general is worse though because of the worse air dodge and lack of shield stun (so you can just get shield grabbed out of your aerials)
It's annoying when you use Puff. :/
Right. But I do find it more difficult to grab, I'm so used to Z, I keep grab at L cause I prefer shield in R. However neither R + A or L feel good to me to grab, idk, always have a problem with it
Chezzymann
Member
Ugh, there's so many people online that have perfect reaction times, if they find one opening in what you do they open up this giant combo and screw you up. Its so nerve wracking, having to play against these people that are so fine tuned to their character. My mind just can't process all this insanely fast frame by frame information this quickly and plan these elaborate combos, defensive moves and strategies all in less than a second.
Its like playing chess, only each move takes less than a second. Ugh.
Its like playing chess, only each move takes less than a second. Ugh.
Spinosaurus
Member
Oh yeah fair enough then. I actually don't use Z to grab in previous Smash games all that much haha.
I have played a lifetime of Smash with a local friend who fits that description. He has the reflexes of a champion.
Welcome 2 Hell.
EDIT: But it's nice playing For Glory and realizing that I'm actually a decent player and have just spent my life in the shadow of an absurdly talented player.
Chezzymann
Member
Well, by my standards, the people I'm talking about are probably just decent by GAF's standards lol. Even though I've been playing Smash for the past 13 years. I can't really process thinking about my moves outside of maybe two steps ahead due to the fast pace of the game, but everyone online seems to have all these strategies (Be it defensive or offensive) for what everyone else is going to do in whatever situation is going on, and when I do something that y'all might perceive as stupid or short sighted, boom, giant combo, K.O'd. I might be able to prevent it if I could think at my opponents pace, but usually whenever I try to avoid it they just catch me with an opening again since they can read my patterns and think further ahead.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I have decent reflexes but nowhere near as fast as some of these people. I typically have to rely on my wit or their mistakes to win against them. Which, is rewarding in and of itself.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Yes thanks.
I actually was extremely impressed with project M. So many characters being played at top levels. Made me a bit disappointed with smash 4. Project M shows how awesome smash can be if designed with competition in mind.
I have the same problem on and offline. Lately, I've started learning to become a reactive player. If you can practice evasion, there's no shame in playing it cool and waiting until you see a solid opening. A lot of times, reflex-honed players will run right into a reversal (grab or whatnot) if you break the pattern they're used to following. That said, usually in a heated match I'm not thinking as clearly as these opponents and that affects my performance terribly.
I know I'll never be able to train reflexes as keen as my friend's, but I can at least learn his habits.
It took me seemingly trillions of hours, but I finally got all the custom moves for someone. Actually three, Peach, Yoshi, and Bowser Jr. Yoshi has a custom up B move that makes him jump higher, yet he doesn't throw an egg. Most useless move ever confirmed.
Also looking back on the ESRB leak thread is pretty hilarious in hindsight.
Also looking back on the ESRB leak thread is pretty hilarious in hindsight.
Inferno313
Banned
Dark Pit rules because he was the center of the only flight-only stage in Kid Icarus: Uprising and his main theme is the best track in that game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COgGsetFrCM
This alone justifies his Smash appearance.
Sometime I wonder how many of the people hating on Dark Pit played Uprising and realize how significant of a character he was in that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COgGsetFrCM
This alone justifies his Smash appearance.
Sometime I wonder how many of the people hating on Dark Pit played Uprising and realize how significant of a character he was in that?
Masked Man
I said wow
I have! It's honestly not that bad, since the matches only last 5-7 minutes. I know some people have had trouble winning, but I've honestly only ever lost the final round a handful of times.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I don't think it's so much thinking ahead as knowing what works, making good reads, and taking advantage of mistakes and predictability.
Unfortunately these aren't really things that are easy to develop. I don't know how good you are or the quality of your online opponents but despite Smash being a easy game to pick up and play, it still takes a lot of practice and patience to be good, not even pro tournament player good, but just good in general knowing how to react, how to follow up, and just how to execute properly.
It would be nice if I could play online effectively, especially on Wii U, that would do a lot for my game. On the rare occasion I do play against an actually opponent on 3DS it's more of a screw around whatever match due to the combination of lag and the fact I generally avoid using the shoulder buttons because they are so damn uncomfortable to use.
Jawmuncher
Member
I loved Dark Pit in KI:U doesn't change what he is in Smash though.
Chezzymann
Member
I guess the best thing I could do is just keep playing and trying to learn at least one thing from each match and incorporate it into the next one.
But yeah, the 3DS is pretty uncomfortable for a game like this. Its usually not a problem for me, but smash really exposed its bad ergonomics. I haven't been getting much lag actually though in 1v1, it usually shows up in the regular mode. I guess its because its more likely for one of the 3 players to have lag instead of just my opponent.
Spinosaurus
Member
Have you tried A,A,A?
Yupp, they both can iirc.
Both of the moves got buffed, actually. Falcon Punch now moves forward a bit, and Warlock Punch has super armor.
Spinosaurus
Member
Yeah, it's still in.
Yep. Mii brawler even has a kicking version as a custom.