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[ManaByte]

Yes. So it’s part of a shared cinematic universe just like the MCU.

I think deep down everyone knows it’s a bad idea in 2024, and want to distance it from Marvel’s stuff. It’s the same though.

James Gunn's 'Superman' Takes Flight: No Universe-Building, 'Top Gun'-Style Action and Why the Trunks Won Out

The Wrap visited the Cleveland set of "Superman" this past June, where director James Gunn sat with reporters to talk about making the film.

www.thewrap.com

“Zero,” Gunn emphatically stated when asked how much of the movie is dedicated to setting up other characters or future DC projects. “I mean, maybe two little things, two moments, but basically if something’s there just to set up something else, f–k it.”

For Gunn, this philosophy extends beyond just this film. “Everything needs to stand by itself. I don’t want somebody to have to go see this movie and be relying on anything else,” Gunn said. “If this sets up stuff in ‘Peacemaker,’ which it does, then that’s great. But that is never, ever, ever, with me, going to be something that I’m going to sacrifice even a moment or a beat in a story for, especially a movie.”

Gunn added: “With TV, you’ve got a little bit more leniency to be able to do that. But in a movie, every beat has to be in there for the movie itself.”

 

[ManaByte]

 

[SlimySnake]

Damn, there IS a giant space jellyfish in this movie! Starro's mate come for revenge?

Fillion looks great!

as does Hawkgirl

no idea who this guy is but looks like he is protecting Lois(?) and if its the drones giving him a protective shield, then SHOOT THE DRONES, guys!

Gunn is gonna make me cry over this death, isn't he?? After The Wild Robot....I swore to never cry for a robot again!

and this shot is gonna be EPIC in IMAX, good sense of scale

But that last shot is widescreen. IMAX is top and bottom.

 

[Doom85]

It’s not even “doing the Marvel thing”. Both comic companies have had this element for many decades long before the MCU. In fact, the MCU wasn’t even first outside of comics, the DCAU was (yes, the Marvel cartoons of the 90’s were semi-connected, but it was nowhere near as fleshed out as the DCAU was).

Stand alone is not the right approach. The DC movies of 2023 suffered in the box office because the new movie verse had already been announced so a lot of people who were holding out hope for another Justice League or some sort of team up film lost interest in that first universe. It’s a large factor of why Aquaman 1 was the highest grossing DCEU movie and Aquaman 2 was one of the lowest grossing DCEU movies.

A large issue some people had with MCU Phase 4 and 5 was a lack of interactivity among the various heroes old and new. Shang-Chi talking to three heroes via hologram doesn’t make him fully feel like part of that universe yet. Then you have Deadpool and Wolverine bringing in tons of other universe’s heroes and people go wild and it makes 1.3 billion dollars.

Holding up The Batman as the only way for DC to move forward makes no sense for fans or profit. The Batman did well, but it didn’t come close to Aquaman 1’s box office, and Batman v Superman and also Wonder Woman 1 also outgrossed it. The first Suicide Squad even only came 20 million short of The Batman. Only Joker 1 outgrossed all of these except for Aquaman, but its unique nature made it kind of an exception that wouldn’t really work revisiting all the time (like imagine if we got a bunch of “Logan”-copycats, that specific type of story and approach would rapidly grow repetitive if overused).

Heck, some DC properties would suffer by being stand alone. Like, if they do Teen Titans, are Robin, Wonder Girl, Kid Flash, etc. just not usable then? Legion of Superheroes has a significant connection to Superman, but can’t do that if everything has to be stand alone. Quite a few members who have been in Justice League Dark would be off the table. And so on and so forth.

Going stand alone just vastly limits their options and for no reason if the primary film, The Batman, being propped up as the argument for it wasn’t even DC’s highest grossing film of the last ten years or even second or third place.

 

[IntentionalPun]

DC doesn’t green light or announce anything until there’s a finished script on Gunn’s desk. That’s the exact opposite of what Marvel does. Marvel will announce a whole slate of movies building to a big event but not even have a screenwriter hired for any of them yet.

For example, Supergirl was never intended to be the second movie released (in 2026) but the script came in and was so good it got greenlit after Superman.

Flanagan’s Clayface is similar. Zero connection to anything else. It’s basically The Fly.

Simply not announcing films early isn’t the “exact opposite of what Marvel does.”

He almost certainly has a universe planned out, just as Marvel does. Being slightly more flexible than Marvel (who also absolutely moves things around though) again ain’t the opposite.

 

[IntentionalPun]

James Gunn's 'Superman' Takes Flight: No Universe-Building, 'Top Gun'-Style Action and Why the Trunks Won Out

The Wrap visited the Cleveland set of "Superman" this past June, where director James Gunn sat with reporters to talk about making the film.

www.thewrap.com

Zero….ok maybe 2 little things.

Lol

 

[near]

This is better than John Williams’ theme.

Fight me.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sounds like top gun.

 

[ManaByte]

Aquaman 2 was one of the lowest grossing DCEU movies.

Remaking Superman VI was also stupid.

 

[Rockondevil]

Someone made a trailer for you:

I mean.... I don't hate it.

 

[FunkMiller]

James Gunn's 'Superman' Takes Flight: No Universe-Building, 'Top Gun'-Style Action and Why the Trunks Won Out

The Wrap visited the Cleveland set of "Superman" this past June, where director James Gunn sat with reporters to talk about making the film.

www.thewrap.com

Yes. This is spin.

It's called the DCU. It's a shared cinematic comic book universe. Creature Commandos is a cartoon that is set in the same universe as Superman. That's a TV show and a film in the same universe. Sound familiar?

It's the same shit... again. Gunn will pretend it isn't, because he wants to sound like he's doing something original... but it is the same.

And it's likely to backfire on them the same way the DCEU did. Because there's no reason why this DCU will do a better job than the last DCU... especially if this Superman movie doesn't make huge bank. They'll panic again. It'll all get changed again. Because it's WB. And they are STILL desperate to repeat the success of the MCU phase 1 - 3.

The only time WB and DC have been truly, universally, unequivocally successful by every single metric is with Nolan. That should have always been the format they stuck with. It's certainly the one they should be going with now. Standalone. Let these archetypes speak for themselves. They're not Marvel characters. Marvel destroyed DC on the cinematic universe thing. Still trying to copy them is idiotic in this day and age.

 

[ManaByte]

Creature Commandos is a cartoon that is set in the same universe as Superman.

Yet there’s zero reference to Superman in it.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yet there’s zero reference to Superman in it.

And here’s James Gunn referring to the show as the beginnings of the DCU:

Same shit. Different coat of paint.

 

[Doom85]

Still trying to copy them is idiotic in this day and age.

Look at these fucking hacks, copying the MCU…….before the MCU even started, but, err, the MCU apparently transcends time and space! Because as we know, the MCU invented the concept of superheroes crossing over with one another despite doing the concept five decades after it originated in both DC and Marvel comics.

Like, dude, as someone who loves the MCU, let’s not put them on a specific pedestal they don’t deserve. They did not come up with the concept of a shared universe. And thus DC ain’t copying shit. If you want to talk and dismiss newer properties going for it like Godzilla and Kong, go for it (and even that is debatable as there is a far older Kong vs. Godzilla film even if it didn’t make a whole universe out of it. Also, those films have generally been successful, so………yeah).

For someone who is very outspoken about the Warhammer adaptation being faithful, you would think you would understand DC films and such being connected is being faithful to the source material.

And as I said, there have been several DCEU films that outgrossed The Batman, and yes, the Nolan trilogy as well since now you’re bringing in those films as well, never mind you’re talking about films (Nolan trilogy) mostly from the 2000’s decade where DC barely had any film presence around that time prior to Batman Begins and had to restore HIS reputation as Batman and Robin was far more disastrous to an IP’s image than even anything in the DCEU.

 

[jason10mm]

But that last shot is widescreen. IMAX is top and bottom.

That's just how I cropped it. Not sure Gunn did anything specific for imax but that's where I wanna see this.

 

[jason10mm]

No need to argue about MCU vs DCU, we all know the REAL shared universe we want!

 

[FunkMiller]

Look at these fucking hacks, copying the MCU…….before the MCU even started, but, err, the MCU apparently transcends time and space! Because as we know, the MCU invented the concept of superheroes crossing over with one another despite doing the concept five decades after it originated in both DC and Marvel comics.

Like, dude, as someone who loves the MCU, let’s not put them on a specific pedestal they don’t deserve. They did not come up with the concept of a shared universe. And thus DC ain’t copying shit. If you want to talk and dismiss newer properties going for it like Godzilla and Kong, go for it (and even that is debatable as there is a far older Kong vs. Godzilla film even if it didn’t make a whole universe out of it. Also, those films have generally been successful, so………yeah).

I'm talking about live action.

The MCU was first, and did a shared comic book universe best. DC has never needed the same thing. In fact, it's a detriment to those characters, not an advantage.

 

[ManaByte]

DC has never needed the same thing.

Burton was trying to do it in the 90s. Keaton’s Batman delivered the eulogy at Superman’s funeral in his Superman Lives.

 

[Doom85]

I'm talking about live action.

The MCU was first, and did it best. DC has never needed the same thing. In fact, it's a detriment to those characters, not an advantage.

You were clearly talking about the concept. Which MCU did not do first. And a detriment? You’re just dismissing all the comics since the 1960’s?

 

[FunkMiller]

Burton was trying to do it in the 90#. Keaton’s Batman delivered the eulogy at Superman’s funeral in his Superman Lives.

Which never happened, so pointless to bring it up.

 

[ManaByte]

You’re just dismissing all the comics since the 1960’s?

Of course

 

[FunkMiller]

You were clearly talking about the concept. Which MCU did not do first. And a detriment? You’re just dismissing all the comics since the 1960’s?

No. I wasn't. I was clearly referencing the DCU and the MCU. Because that's what this conversation is about. I'm not talking about comics, so there's no point in you trying to broaden the topic out, when it's not what I'm talking about.

Gunn and WB are still trying to copy the success of the MCU. It's the same old story. No-one had done a shared cinematic universe before the MCU. It made billions. That's why everybody else tried to repeat it. DC are the only ones dumb enough to still be trying... again.

WB didn't make Batman V Superman because of comics. They did it to copy the MCU's success. They failed. This will likely fail to. Especially in 2025 and onwards.

 

[ManaByte]

Which never happened, so pointless to bring it up.

No but it’s something DC wanted before the MCU. The mention of Metropolis in Batman & Robin, and then this before the MCU existed:

 

[FunkMiller]

No but it’s something DC wanted before the MCU. The mention of Metropolis in Batman & Robin, and then this before the MCU existed:

But they didn’t do it. Marvel did.

They missed the mark, and have continued to do so for decades.

This latest strategy feels like they are continuing with that.

Especially when it’s not even a proper reboot, and we still have to have Gunn’s repurposed DCEU shit.

It remains a mess. I just hope the shared universe stuff is toned right back for the final edit of Superman. It won’t be though, because greed.

 

[ManaByte]

But they didn’t do it. Marvel did.

They missed the mark, and have continued to do so for decades.

This latest strategy feels like they are continuing with that.

Especially when it’s not even a proper reboot, and we still have to have Gunn’s repurposed DCEU shit.

It remains a mess. I just hope the shared universe stuff is toned right back for the final edit of Superman. It won’t be though, because greed.

Again you’re adamant about Warhammer being accurate but you don’t want DC movies to be true to the comics.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Looks terrible

 

[FunkMiller]

Again you’re adamant about Warhammer being accurate but you don’t want DC movies to be true to the comics.

Warhammer isn't a comic book franchise, universe, or concept. The two things bear very little relationship to one another.

Also, this is not, and has never been about, being true to the comics. Otherwise all those projects you keep bringing up that never happened, would have happened.

You're trying to imbue James Gunn with some grand, noble attitude towards this project, as if he's not doing what he's doing for the same reasons all the other guys did: MCU money.

It'll trip him up too.

 

[Northeastmonk]

Henry Cavill was a better Superman. I don’t want to support Gunn’s mid interpretation of DC.

 

[Doom85]

No. I wasn't. I was clearly referencing the DCU and the MCU. Because that's what this conversation is about. I'm not talking about comics, so there's no point in you trying to broaden the topic out, when it's not what I'm talking about.

Gunn and WB are still trying to copy the success of the MCU. It's the same old story. No-one had done a shared cinematic universe before the MCU. It made billions. That's why everybody else tried to repeat it. DC are the only ones dumb enough to still be trying... again.

WB didn't make Batman V Superman because of comics. They did it to copy the MCU's success. They failed. This will likely fail to. Especially in 2025 and onwards.

DC and Marvel movies are inspired and adapting from the comics. You can’t act like that isn’t relevant. You also don’t dictate exactly what a conversation is about, check yourself.

You’re kidding yourself if you think WB only wanted to have Batman and Superman fight and then team up because of the MCU. You are living in some alternate reality if you are that oblivious to pop culture.

And you continue to ignore all the times you’re proven wrong (you never responded to my point about the multiple DCEU films that outgrossed several of the stand alone movies you claim are the only path to success, you quickly moved past the point of Warner Bros had attempted Batman/Superman well prior to the MCU

Your arguments are very flimsy, and they only look even more flimsy when actual facts are pointed out that hurt your points and you try to ignore it and quickly grab a new angle.

Little piece of advice: don’t rely on arguments that rely too heavily on shaky conjecture about the future and a “general vibe” you feel that doesn’t actually look into statistics and even more importantly the context of those statistics (anyone who brings up Wonder Woman 1984, The Suicide Squad or the 2023 DC movies’ bad box office on numbers alone is either ignorant of the context of the situations that specifically affected those particular films or is purposely ignoring said context to boost their argument which is a dangerous tactic as such context can be quickly brought up by another).

You’re trying to bring up The Batman despite several DCEU films outgrossing it.
You’re trying to bring up the Nolan trilogy despite DC having practically no film presence when that trilogy started and they had to focus on repairing the Batman IP as Batman and Robin was actually damaging to it, far more than anything in the DCEU.

Like, this isn’t going to work. If you would simply prefer stand alone stories, fine, even though again the source material being dismissed is a dangerous slope to be on as now you will have lost any way to argue in favor of source material for other IPs you care about as thst would be hypocritical. But trying to argue like you magically know this is surely going to fail compared to your approach despite so much evidence contradicting what you’re saying? Come on now.

 

[FunkMiller]

Like, this isn’t going to work. If you would simply prefer stand alone stories, fine, even though again the source material being dismissed is a dangerous slope to be on as now you will have lost any way to argue in favor of source material for other IPs you care about as thst would be hypocritical. But trying to argue like you magically know this is surely going to fail compared to your approach despite so much evidence contradicting what you’re saying? Come on now.

Every other company that has tried to kickstart a shared comic cinematic universe has failed. Including DC.

But if you want to believe that somehow this time it will be magically different because James Gunn, then I won't try to stop you.

 

[GloveSlap]

It looks like they might be trying to do a kind of movie version of Justice League Unlimited where you get to see some under used DC characters from time to time without necessarily setting them up for anything else. I'm here for it. Superman needs to be able to punch things and have fights without it defaulting to Kryptonians or Kryptonite every time.

 

[Doom85]

Every single other company that has tried to kickstart a shared cinematic universe has failed. Including DC.

But if you want to believe that somehow this time it will be magically different because James Gunn, then I won't try to stop you.

Monsterverse - Wikipedia

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Got to love how you ignored my advice about arguments and what to focus on including using accurate facts, and proceeded to play yourself AGAIN.

 

[FunkMiller]

Monsterverse - Wikipedia

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Got to love how you ignored my advice about arguments and what to focus on including using accurate facts, and proceeded to play yourself AGAIN.

Yes, I figured you'd immediately descend in pendantism again, which is why I edited the word 'comic' into my post.

Also, you're descending into some fairly childish responses now, so not really much point in carrying on.

 

[ManaByte]

Yes, I figured you'd immediately descend in pendantism again, which is why I edited the word 'comic' into my post.

Also, you're descending into some fairly childish responses now, so not really much point in carrying on.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Doom85]

Yes, I figured you'd immediately descend in pendantism again, which is why I edited the word 'comic' into my post.

Also, you're descending into some fairly childish responses now, so not really much point in carrying on.

Childish? You’re the one constantly flip-flopping and altering what you’re saying for your own convenience. Meanwhile my points have remained consistent and you have failed to actually counter-argue against them.

Like, how is someone supposed to argue against you if you can’t even be consistent in what you’re saying?

Get your shit together and then come back and try again. Don’t try to act like I’m out of line for calling out your shortcomings in having a debate.

 

[FeralEcho]

It looks boring and really cheap...like it's a tv series not a movie. Not feeling it one bit.

Also Superman striking the defeated Yamcha pose is hilarious.

 

[Ocean Dweller]

That Superman outfit looks like pajamas. Will it have a butt flap?

 

[Doom85]

Warhammer isn't a comic book franchise, universe, or concept. The two things bear very little relationship to one another.

Also, this is not, and has never been about, being true to the comics. Otherwise all those projects you keep bringing up that never happened, would have happened.

-so you just consider comics inferior in terms of source material and shouldn’t be as respected. That’s the only way to make sense of why you care about Warhammer being faithful (despite it being a massive franchise in of itself that could be approached multiple ways for a film or show), but apparently treat comics like some irrelevant trash

Funny, I don’t care about Warhammer at all, AND YET I hope you all get an adaptation that is reasonably accurate and makes as many fans happy as possible.

Be on my level.

-“this is not, and has never been about, being true to the comics”

10 Best DC Movie Scenes (Outside The DCEU) Inspired By The Comics

DC Comics have inspired several movies, even beyond the core heroes. Some of these movies have scenes taken straight from the comics.

www.cbr.com

10 Amazing DC Movie Scenes Ripped Straight From the Comics

Some of the scenes from the original DC Comic books were so iconic they simply had to be recreated in the movies.

screenrant.com

But you know, maybe these scenes and stories mentioned having strong similarities to various comic moments and stories is pure coincidence.

 

[IFireflyl]

The shot of him shielding the little girl is the only thing that I liked. Cautiously pessimistic for this but will watch anyway!

I'm right there with you. I'll probably wait to rent it instead of seeing it in theaters.

 

[Kacho]

I'm willing to give Gunn Supes a shot. GotG3 and SS were both entertaining flicks. Undecided on whether I’ll take my daughter to see it in theaters or wait for streaming.

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

Gunn is whack.

Problem isn't too many superheroes, if anything, that's the only selling point.

It's that the entire thing, from the cast to costumes, looks like some shit off TEMU.

This is a major but not unexpected disappointment.

 

[captainnapalm]

New costume looks really bad. Even the CW one looks better - to say nothing of Snyder's:

 

[Lambogenie]

New costume looks really bad. Even the CW one looks better - to say nothing of Snyder's:

It the shot from a cereal packet?

Not really fair as the others are stills from a scene.

But in general, I do agree in that I'm not a huge fan of it. Too much bulk. But I also don't like Cavills very much either.

 

[Trilobit]

New costume looks really bad. Even the CW one looks better - to say nothing of Snyder's:

"Mom, I want a Superman-suit"
"We've got a Superman-suit at home"

 

[SJRB]

The loose fit of the Superman suit sucks. Where's the muscle definition?

 

[ShadowNate]

The trailer was great. (My only complaint is why call it a teaser if it's already trailer length long, and you wouldn't want to show/spoil the entire movie plot in a longer one anyway).

I like the actor and the cast in general, the color palette, and it's interesting that I don't know a lot of the new characters (like Krypto) or their stories in the comics (because I didn't read them), so it does feel fresh, so far.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I’m pretty damn hyped for this. I’m even down with Krypto, if we’re doing a comic book Superman, and not a Hollywood Superman.

 

[Bert Big Balls]

Meh. Feel like this is going to lean far too much into the over the top goofy marvel shit.

 

[willothedog]