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Superman | Official Teaser Trailer (6am PT/9am ET 12/19)

ManaByte

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It wont be Fillon as GL
People who are DC fans understand that there is not one GL. Fillion is Guy Gardner, the asshole who will probably have a building dropped on him.

Kyle Chandler is Hal Jordan and Aaron Pierre is John Stewart in Lanterns on HBO. If they were to use a GL in a movie it’d be one of them.
 

KyoZz

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Most likely spoiler for Superman:

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People who are DC fans understand that there is not one GL. Fillion is Guy Gardner, the asshole who will probably have a building dropped on him.

Kyle Chandler is Hal Jordan and Aaron Pierre is John Stewart in Lanterns on HBO. If they were to use a GL in a movie it’d be one of them.
This is exactly what I am saying, you misunderstood me (or I wasn't clear). I know Fillon is Guy Gardner but the real JL will have Pierce (pretty good choice, he was solid in Rebel Ridge) or as you said Hal Jordan. Then Batman (what's your thought on The Batman maybe coming to the DCU btw?). Then I think the rest of the roster can composed of any character.

So for sure we have Superman, Supergirl (maybe temporary?), Batman & Green Lantern. And if I had to make a guess, I'm pretty sure Gunn wants at least one "weirdo" in the JL like Metamorpho.

Looks ok to me. I still think Superman Returns is the best Superman since the original though so I’m probably on an island.
I've always loved this movie, it's not perfect but it was made with heart, just the first sight of Superman with the classic plane rescue... awesome. And I believe it has been rehabilitated.
 
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FunkMiller

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What’s that got to do with WB never establishing the foundations of a decent shared universe before?

And, just to say… I can’t understand how anyone on a video games forum - where we endlessly discuss corporate people talking bollocks - can just trust everything somebody who’s part of that corporate structure says.

Come on, dude. You wouldn’t constantly post Todd Howard tweets in conversations about Bethesda as proof of anything. Same applies here.
 
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Hugare

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Quality had nothing to do with Funk’s argument though. He acted like stand-alone movies were DC’s only feasible option which is ridiculous and contradicts a bunch of prior films’ performances.

Also, I never said anything about set up in terms of Deadpool and Wolverine. I was saying people enjoy seeing the various heroes actually interact with each other, which Deadpool and Wolverine did with various prior characters from the Fox films and other companies who had done past Marvel films. Funk’s method would have made that a non-option for DC if they had gone his route which thankfully they didn’t.

Also, are you saying all the Venom movies are good, because they were all pretty financially profitable. Yes, even the third one.
I'm just saying that no one gives a damn about previous characters interacting with each other in Wolverine and Deadpool. Sure it helped, but the majority of the public just wanted to see Hugh Jackman interacting with Deadpool.

I mentioned the Venom movies because they didnt set up anything in that universe. They are stand alone. And they were successful. That's my point.
 

IntentionalPun

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And I would have agreed with all of that... fifteen years ago. But things are very different now, from what they were then. The shine has well and truly come off the superhero genre. The only massively successful movie in the past couple of years has been the one poking fun at the whole thing. There have been a lot more flops than successes.
That's a bit of an exaggeration considering GOTG3 did really well in 2023, and both DR Strange 2 and Thor 4 or whatever did well the year before that,
 

FunkMiller

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That's a bit of an exaggeration considering GOTG3 did really well in 2023, and both DR Strange 2 and Thor 4 or whatever did well the year before that,

So, that’s one successful movie in the last couple of years - which is the time scale I explicitly mention, as well as acknowledging there were successes - but many more flops. Where exactly is the exaggeration?
 
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IntentionalPun

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So, that’s one successful movie in the last couple of years - which is the time scale I explicitly mention. Against how many flops?
Do you mean 2? I'm assuming you would at least include 2023 in this lol GOTG3 was quite successful. (there's also the Spiderverse films, but I get not including them as they are animation.)

I dunno how many flops, a lot.. but they are mostly from DC and the Sony-verse. Neither have done well in ages.

The only people with consistent hits are the MCU, and they really have only had 2 flops (Quantomania and Marvels.)

I'm not saying the shine hasn't worn off quite a bit.. just saying it's not JUST Deadpool that has done well the last few years. It was also mostly just another quippy boring comic book film IMO.
 
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Doom85

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Since it's the time for stupid posts, let me join in

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Man, how about those VARIANTS in the MCU? Those VARIANTS sure are something. I look forward to seeing some VARIANTS in Avengers: Secret Wars.

Don’t know why I’m bringing up variants when discussing The Suicide Squad. Certainly couldn’t be a word that applies to a real world issue, maybe involving a virus or something, that affected the movie during its opening weekend.

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KyoZz

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Man, how about those VARIANTS in the MCU? Those VARIANTS sure are something. I look forward to seeing some VARIANTS in Avengers: Secret Wars.

Don’t know why I’m bringing up variants when discussing The Suicide Squad. Certainly couldn’t be a word that applies to a real world issue, maybe involving a virus or something, that affected the movie during its opening weekend.

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Let's not pretend TSS was the only one releasing during that period. Even some WB movies did pretty well with the same day one release on HBO
 

Doom85

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Let's not pretend TSS was the only one releasing during that period. Even some WB movies did pretty well with the same day one release on HBO

That weekend was the height of precaution against the new variant. It quickly died down once people realized they could go out like normal just keeping to the same safety practices.

What WB movies? I checked and zero other WB movies released that weekend.

Regardless, The Suicide Squad is a far, far, FAR better movie than Man of Steel or Batman v Superman, and I even like the former and think the latter is okay but very flawed.

Regardless, Gunn is here and in charge, with Snyder’s blessing to boot. So in the end, Gunn’s vision won.

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ManaByte

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That weekend was the height of precaution against the new variant. It quickly died down once people realized they could go out like normal just keeping to the same safety practices.
COVID never happened when it comes to box office arguments in 2024.

What WB movies? I checked and zero other WB movies released that weekend.

He’s referring to MK and Godzilla vs Kong. Which released in different conditions than TSS. But context doesn’t apply when shitting on Gunn who a segment of the fan base has turned on despite him writing what most consider to be Snyder’s best movie.
 
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KyoZz

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That weekend was the height of precaution against the new variant. It quickly died down once people realized they could go out like normal just keeping to the same safety practices.
Oh sure, it was the only week with restrictions and all. It only lasted a week. Sure.

What WB movies? I checked and zero other WB movies released that weekend.
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Of course if you look for the week of it's release. Look at Godzilla vs Kong or Mortal Kombat. It was the whole year that was fucked (and ever more in fact) yet you can find examples of movies doing just fine. TSS is not one of them and tanked hard, COVID or not.

Regardless, The Suicide Squad is a far, far, FAR better movie than Man of Steel or Batman v Superman, and I even like the former and think the latter is okay but very flawed.
I disagree but to each their own.

Regardless, Gunn is here and in charge, with Snyder’s blessing to boot. So in the end, Gunn’s vision won.

Jerry Seinfeld Lol GIF
Before claiming a victory (if there is one to claim?) you should wait for the box office. Mind you I truly hope the DCU is successful as even if I don't like the direction of this Superman, it can open the door to more project that could interest me. I'm a DC fan so if I get good movies I win too.

COVID never happened when it comes to box office arguments in 2024.
That's the problem with you, there is no middle ground. I'm not saying COVID did not happen, I'm saying it impacted the box office during the whole year not just the week of release of TSS.

Oh ManaByte ManaByte that stealth edit. Your speciality we love to see it. Please tell me those different conditions. In France it was the same bullshit, in fact it was true for the whole Europe. For what I've seen it was pretty much equivalent in the US too and those movies both got an HBO release day one. Only one of them did less than it's budget (oof).

Anyway me saying facts about Gunn = bad.
You posting nonsense, misinformation and rage bait content = good.

Right?
 
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IntentionalPun

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Regardless, The Suicide Squad is a far, far, FAR better movie than Man of Steel or Batman v Superman, and I even like the former and think the latter is okay but very flawed.
Yeah when I realized it was pretty far removed from the 2016 movie I checked it out and it was pretty fun.

The thing I can't quite reconcile for Superman (2025) is just how goofy and comedic everything Gunn has done. And low and behold the trailer has a whole bunch of goofy extra superheros (or villains? i dunno) in it lol

I don't even love Superman as a character, but it just doesn't seem like the right vibe? F
 
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ManaByte

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As Gunn explained in a Q&A following the press preview on the Warner Bros. lot, the teaser is meant to demonstrate that this Superman “lives in a world with superheroes.”

“Superhero movies have taken these characters and said, ‘Okay, it’s Batman [or] it’s Superman, but it’s not any of the other stuff,’” Gunn said. “We’re embracing all of the Superman mythology. He has friends who are other superheroes. He has people he doesn’t get along as well with who are other superheroes. He has a lot of the things that we love from the Superman comics that we haven’t been able to see as much of in filmed media, and definitely haven’t been able to see in a grounded way, which is what I hope we’ve created.”
 

ManaByte

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They still have to do some ground work establishing the characters and some backstory, just for the movie to work.



The film starts with Superman already established in his world, with existing relationships with both Lois Lane and Lex Luthor. “We just start in the middle of the action,” Gunn said. “Superman’s already existing. Lois and Clark already know each other. Lex hates Superman’s guts from the beginning, although they don’t know each other personally.”
 
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ManaByte

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“I knew that I wanted to have a Superman that stayed true to his origins of being the ultimate good guy,” shares Gunn. “It’s a movie about kindness. It’s a movie about being good. When we had our cast dinner the night before we started shooting, I was like, ‘At the end of the day, the world doesn’t always seem to have so much good in it, and this movie has to truly be that.’ And that means that we had to be good to each other, we had to be good to the crew, and it had to be that authentically.”

Pretty sure this universe won't have Bruse Wayne cucking Clark causing Superman to go insane and kill everyone on the planet.
 

Ulysses 31

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That's a bit of an exaggeration considering GOTG3 did really well in 2023, and both DR Strange 2 and Thor 4 or whatever did well the year before that,
GOTG3 wasn't that successful: It had a budget of around 250M + around 100M for promotion, so 350M. Generally a movie has to make 2.5-3x its budget to be considered profitable.


Expectations are running high for James Gunn 's threequel as it cost $250 million to produce it and another $100 million to promote it (via Variety). Wow indeed!
 
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ManaByte

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GOTG3 wasn't that successful: It had a budget of around 250M + around 100M for promotion, so 350M. Generally a movie has to make 2.5-3x its budget to be considered profitable.


It made a profit and did better than Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2, and hit the 3x multiple you mention.


The threequel and conclusion to the GOTG franchise did a 3x multiple at the domestic box office, ending its run at $359M, which was a better leg-out than Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2.7x multiple), Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness (2.2x) and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2x). The threequel also saw the best second-weekend hold for an MCU movie during the pandemic at -48%. In the end, the movie was the highest-grossing film for Disney in 2023 at $845.6M


Deadline Hollywood calculated the net profit of the film to be $124 million, when factoring together all expenses and revenues.

That site you linked doesn't have access to all of the data that trades like Deadline do. Nearly $100M of the promotion was offset by partners. It made a profit.
 
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Ulysses 31

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It made a profit and did better than Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2, and hit the 3x multiple you mention.







That site you linked doesn't have access to all of the data that trades like Deadline do. Nearly $100M of the promotion was offset by partners. It made a profit.
Hold on, GOTG3 grossed about 850M worldwide. 2,5 x 350M is 875M. Maybe there's some huge tax returns I don't know about but the movie wasn't that profitable(if it made any at all).
 

ManaByte

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Hold on, GOTG3 grossed about 850M worldwide. 2,5 x 350M is 875M. Maybe there's some huge tax returns I don't know about but the movie wasn't that profitable(if it made any at all).

Read the Deadline article. They break it down. 90M Promotional partnerships + 180M Streaming. It was profitable despite what people on the internet trying to push a narrative try to claim. Again the Hollywood trades have access to this data, clickbait websites do not.
 

Ulysses 31

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Read the Deadline article. They break it down. 90M Promotional partnerships + 180M Streaming. It was profitable despite what people on the internet trying to push a narrative try to claim. Again the Hollywood trades have access to this data, clickbait websites do not.
I was mainly speaking box offices but if you wanna factor in streaming, sure, it made some profit. But I doubt the movie was made with the expectation that streaming revenue would be needed start making a profit.
 

ManaByte

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But I doubt the movie was made with the expectation that streaming revenue would be needed start making a profit.

All movies do. It used to be home video revenue, but home video doesn't exist anymore. Most big movies would usually factor in ~120M in home video based on what the budget was.

Post-pandemic all movies are made to factor in streaming revenue because their theatrical window is usually 45 days or less now. It used to be 90+ days in theaters. COVID changed the industry completely. Movies are now posted for pre-order on digital VOD the DAY they release in theaters. That $25-$30 pre-order is counted as revenue for it.
 
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Ulysses 31

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All movies do. It used to be home video revenue, but home video doesn't exist anymore. Most big movies would usually factor in ~120M in home video based on what the budget was.

Post-pandemic all movies are made to factor in streaming revenue because their theatrical window is usually 45 days or less now. It used to be 90+ days in theaters. COVID changed the industry completely. Movies are now posted for pre-order on digital VOD the DAY they release in theaters. That $25-$30 pre-order is counted as revenue for it.
Seems risky if you ask me if streaming revenue will have to make the difference between loss or profitability. How big is the streaming platform cut of the revenue usually? Still seems pretty big(40%+?) after a quick search.
 
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Doom85

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It’s at 29 million views (from the main DC channel alone), roughly 95% like over dislike ratio, and has beaten The Batman for the most DC trailer views in record time.

I think we’ll be just fine without the people who think Zack Snyder invented Superman, Batman, and probably cinema itself.

Danger 5 Laughing GIF


You got an example of him being generally unsensible? 👀

-Awful take on Peter Parker (the comic fans have been begging for Peter to grow up already and move forward with his personal life, Across the Spider-verse does so and Drinker whines about him being a dorky dad, ah yes, Peter being a dork, that’s never been a thing! Also, he’s wearing his bathrobe because Miles wasn’t supposed to leave his dimension, thus Peter had no reason to suspect an incident would happen at their own HQ that would require his own involvement given the HUNDREDS of Spidey variants on site, come on, try to keep up, Drinker Man)
-his “review” of The Boys Season 4. Like, what are we even going here?
-his exposure as someone who values pushing his political views far more than actually being a critic as seen in his The Batman review (“aside from one line from Catwoman, the movie isn’t actually about race”. SpongeBob Narrator: A FEW MINUTES LATER “And I must say, it’s strange how all the Riddler’s targets are rich upper class men who are corrupt and all white”.

…….*sigh*

The mayor candidate of Gotham is a white man?

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Someone should inform Jayme Lawson, that’ll come as quite the shock to her!

Bruce Wayne and Thomas Wayne aren’t corrupt, the former should be obvious to anyone because it’s BRUCE WAYNE, and the latter’s innocence being proven is kind of a big point of the movie.

It’s a blatant case of Drinker either not paying attention to the movie very well, a bad look for someone who is supposed to be reviewing a film, or he chose to lie to his audience in order to push his politics. All while the political angle he goes for he flat out admits elsewhere in the review is not relevant to the film AKA Drinker saying, “the film isn’t actually about race”. Either way, not a great look.

I would post videos that have gone further in debunking him (one specifically called him out on a massive mistake he made for Knives Out 2 in terms of understanding the timeline of a scene), but they’re probably too political in terms of a few of their talking points to be acceptable on Gaf, but feel free to do proper research on it on your own.

That’s the dangerous nature of going all in in trusting a media influencer. If you don’t actually watch the film, show, etc. you’re watching the influencer discuss, you have put blind faith into a person and are assuming they’re getting the details right, and you are allowing them to influence your opinion on something you haven’t even watched/played/read (or you only remember to some extent, and let the influencer affect your recollection of certain moments even if it’s inaccurate). I enjoy Nostalgia Critic, but I never watch his reviews for something I have not seen myself, as he has sometimes gotten details way off that significantly influenced his opinion. His Event Horizon review had him mistakenly believes Laurence Fishburne and his team are scientists (they’re not, they are a rescue team, only Sam Neill is the scientist in the film) and so many of his complaints rest on that false conclusion.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
It’s at 29 million views (from the main DC channel alone), roughly 95% like over dislike ratio, and has beaten The Batman for the most DC trailer views in record time.

I think we’ll be just fine without the people who think Zack Snyder invented Superman, Batman, and probably cinema itself.

Danger 5 Laughing GIF




-Awful take on Peter Parker (the comic fans have been begging for Peter to grow up already and move forward with his personal life, Across the Spider-verse does so and Drinker whines about him being a dorky dad, ah yes, Peter being a dork, that’s never been a thing! Also, he’s wearing his bathrobe because Miles wasn’t supposed to leave his dimension, thus Peter had no reason to suspect an incident would happen at their own HQ that would require his own involvement given the HUNDREDS of Spidey variants on site, come on, try to keep up, Drinker Man)
-his “review” of The Boys Season 4. Like, what are we even going here?
-his exposure as someone who values pushing his political views far more than actually being a critic as seen in his The Batman review (“aside from one line from Catwoman, the movie isn’t actually about race”. SpongeBob Narrator: A FEW MINUTES LATER “And I must say, it’s strange how all the Riddler’s targets are rich upper class men who are corrupt and all white”.

…….*sigh*

The mayor candidate of Gotham is a white man?

xsbqLrm.jpeg


Someone should inform Jayme Lawson, that’ll come as quite the shock to her!

Bruce Wayne and Thomas Wayne aren’t corrupt, the former should be obvious to anyone because it’s BRUCE WAYNE, and the latter’s innocence being proven is kind of a big point of the movie.

It’s a blatant case of Drinker either not paying attention to the movie very well, a bad look for someone who is supposed to be reviewing a film, or he chose to lie to his audience in order to push his politics. All while the political angle he goes for he flat out admits elsewhere in the review is not relevant to the film AKA Drinker saying, “the film isn’t actually about race”. Either way, not a great look.

I would post videos that have gone further in debunking him (one specifically called him out on a massive mistake he made for Knives Out 2 in terms of understanding the timeline of a scene), but they’re probably too political in terms of a few of their talking points to be acceptable on Gaf, but feel free to do proper research on it on your own.

That’s the dangerous nature of going all in in trusting a media influencer. If you don’t actually watch the film, show, etc. you’re watching the influencer discuss, you have put blind faith into a person and are assuming they’re getting the details right, and you are allowing them to influence your opinion on something you haven’t even watched/played/read (or you only remember to some extent, and let the influencer affect your recollection of certain moments even if it’s inaccurate). I enjoy Nostalgia Critic, but I never watch his reviews for something I have not seen myself, as he has sometimes gotten details way off that significantly influenced his opinion. His Event Horizon review had him mistakenly believes Laurence Fishburne and his team are scientists (they’re not, they are a rescue team, only Sam Neill is the scientist in the film) and so many of his complaints rest on that false conclusion.
Tldr I'm not a Snyder fan but I didn't like this trailer
 

ManaByte

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That’s the dangerous nature of going all in in trusting a media influencer. If you don’t actually watch the film, show, etc. you’re watching the influencer discuss, you have put blind faith into a person and are assuming they’re getting the details right, and you are allowing them to influence your opinion on something you haven’t even watched/played/read

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Doom85

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Tldr I'm not a Snyder fan but I didn't like this trailer

I wasn’t implying anyone who doesn’t like it is a Snyder worshipper, rather referring to the specific group KyoZz showcased.

One complaint doesn’t even make sense. “Aren’t we tired of the constant rebooting?” This is the SECOND DC movie verse, that guy must live in some weird alternate reality where something can qualify as “constant” even if it’s happened only once so far.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
I wasn’t implying anyone who doesn’t like it is a Snyder worshipper, rather referring to the specific group KyoZz showcased.

One complaint doesn’t even make sense. “Aren’t we tired of the constant rebooting?” This is the SECOND DC movie verse, that guy must live in some weird alternate reality where something can qualify as “constant” even if it’s happened only once so far.
I get that he didn't want to do the same gritty superman film Snyder made. Hopefully this will turn out good. I'm watching it at the cinema despite not being sold on the trailer.
 
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Madflavor

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I'm genuinely surprised by the amount of engagement and attention the trailer has gotten. Goes to show that not only do people still care about Superman, but perhaps people in general have a desire for a more hopeful and optimistic Superhero film.
 

ManaByte

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I'm genuinely surprised by the amount of engagement and attention the trailer has gotten. Goes to show that not only do people still care about Superman, but perhaps people in general have a desire for a more hopeful and optimistic Superhero film.

It's perfect timing. Marvel's at a low point due to content glut. DC is having a banner 2024.

Their comics have made a huge comeback, with the Absolute universe launch being HUGE (Absolute Batman is the top selling comic of 2024) and they've put out a line of smaller-form trade paperbacks that are selling like crazy and going to multiple printings.

The Penguin was critically acclaimed and one of the best shows of 2024. DC Studios wisely grabbed the Super/Man documentary and made it the first release with their logo on it. Creature Commandos is getting better with every episode (although I liked the G.I. Robot episode more than the sad Weasel one), and Superman & Lois ended with one of the best finales of any show.

Then this trailer hits and gets 250M views, making it the most viewed DC or WB trailer ever.
 
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