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[TrebleShot]

Think it looks okay, I am very hyped and always a big fan of superman.
But some aspects are very odd.

I hope he isnt underpowered.

 

[Tieno]

I'm getting too old for this shit

 

[Hugare]

It’s not even “doing the Marvel thing”. Both comic companies have had this element for many decades long before the MCU. In fact, the MCU wasn’t even first outside of comics, the DCAU was (yes, the Marvel cartoons of the 90’s were semi-connected, but it was nowhere near as fleshed out as the DCAU was).

Stand alone is not the right approach. The DC movies of 2023 suffered in the box office because the new movie verse had already been announced so a lot of people who were holding out hope for another Justice League or some sort of team up film lost interest in that first universe. It’s a large factor of why Aquaman 1 was the highest grossing DCEU movie and Aquaman 2 was one of the lowest grossing DCEU movies.

A large issue some people had with MCU Phase 4 and 5 was a lack of interactivity among the various heroes old and new. Shang-Chi talking to three heroes via hologram doesn’t make him fully feel like part of that universe yet. Then you have Deadpool and Wolverine bringing in tons of other universe’s heroes and people go wild and it makes 1.3 billion dollars.

Holding up The Batman as the only way for DC to move forward makes no sense for fans or profit. The Batman did well, but it didn’t come close to Aquaman 1’s box office, and Batman v Superman and also Wonder Woman 1 also outgrossed it. The first Suicide Squad even only came 20 million short of The Batman. Only Joker 1 outgrossed all of these except for Aquaman, but its unique nature made it kind of an exception that wouldn’t really work revisiting all the time (like imagine if we got a bunch of “Logan”-copycats, that specific type of story and approach would rapidly grow repetitive if overused).

Heck, some DC properties would suffer by being stand alone. Like, if they do Teen Titans, are Robin, Wonder Girl, Kid Flash, etc. just not usable then? Legion of Superheroes has a significant connection to Superman, but can’t do that if everything has to be stand alone. Quite a few members who have been in Justice League Dark would be off the table. And so on and so forth.

Going stand alone just vastly limits their options and for no reason if the primary film, The Batman, being propped up as the argument for it wasn’t even DC’s highest grossing film of the last ten years or even second or third place.

Here goes a wild theory: I believe people just want to watch a good movie, man.

Deadpool and Wolverine, for example. I doubt most people watched it cause they wanted to see how it was going to set up the Marvel universe for 20 more movies. They just knew that Hugh Jackman's Wolverine + Deadpool would be fun.

Again: Aquaman was a success not because people were expecting it ti build the DC Universe, but because it was mindless fun. 2 did worse because it was a terrible movie.

Same goes for the Venom movies

 

[GulfCoastZilla]

First half of the trailer was garbage with trashy electronic guitar. The second it changed music and showed Lex, it got much better. But I dont like how there seems to be all kinds of other superheroes, a dragon and whatever other magical stuff there is.

Superman isnt Marvel battlefests with tons of characters.

Superman should be him, Lex and a major foe or simialr grouping like Zod and gang. Thats it. The guy who plays Lex looks good though.

It’s not an origin movie. Other heroes already exist. He already exists. We haven’t seen anything like this before in a comic movie. Having dragons and kaiju size radioactive jelly fish makes this film already more appealing than the usual MCU/Snyder inspired slop we been receiving the past 3 - 4 years.

 

[Trunx81]

Maybe he’s the Superman we deserve, not the Superman we need right now.

 

[DetectiveBananas]

Was a big Superman movie fan as a kid (Reeves 1 & 2). This trailer isn’t getting me as hyped as I hoped but maybe it’ll still be good . The dude doesn’t really look like Superman to me but small complaint.

 

[ManaByte]

“True Superman fan” never heard of Krypto

 

[Trilobit]

I mean.... I don't hate it.

I actually thought it was pretty dope. But I won't admit it in public.

Edit: Just wanted to add this I found:

 

[jason10mm]

I actually thought it was pretty dope. But I won't admit it in public.

Edit: Just wanted to add this I found:

Heh heh.

I'm guessing krypto is taking supes back to the fortress of solitude which is fairly close by, not speed dragging his ass all the way to Kansas.

After GotG3 I trust Gunn to RUTHLESSLY exploit animals for emotional gain, so Krypto is gonna be adorable and probably almost John Wicked at some point.

 

[Doom85]

Here goes a wild theory: I believe people just want to watch a good movie, man.

Deadpool and Wolverine, for example. I doubt most people watched it cause they wanted to see how it was going to set up the Marvel universe for 20 more movies. They just knew that Hugh Jackman's Wolverine + Deadpool would be fun.

Again: Aquaman was a success not because people were expecting it ti build the DC Universe, but because it was mindless fun. 2 did worse because it was a terrible movie.

Same goes for the Venom movies

Quality had nothing to do with Funk’s argument though. He acted like stand-alone movies were DC’s only feasible option which is ridiculous and contradicts a bunch of prior films’ performances.

Also, I never said anything about set up in terms of Deadpool and Wolverine. I was saying people enjoy seeing the various heroes actually interact with each other, which Deadpool and Wolverine did with various prior characters from the Fox films and other companies who had done past Marvel films. Funk’s method would have made that a non-option for DC if they had gone his route which thankfully they didn’t.

Also, are you saying all the Venom movies are good, because they were all pretty financially profitable. Yes, even the third one.

 

[Doom85]

After GotG3 I trust Gunn to RUTHLESSLY exploit animals for emotional gain, so Krypto is gonna be adorable and probably almost John Wicked at some point.

Don’t think so as that would be repetitive since something similar happens in the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow run which the Supergirl movie will be adapting. James Gunn cited it as one of his favorite comic runs of that year when he was announced the initial slate for Chapter One, so he would know that detail and wouldn’t use it in this film knowing that would make the Supergirl movie doing something similar feel repetitive.

The emotional animal element will come, just not in THIS film.

Also, Krypto is supposed to be kind of a troublemaking rascal as Gunn used his family’s dog’s breed and behavior for this version of Krypto so if anything I expect mostly hijinks from Krypto’s end, but in an endearing way, which will make the Supergirl movie hit harder when he get hurt at the beginning (a significant element to have Supergirl begin this particular journey, in addition to being hired by an alien girl to hunt down her father’s murderer, is seeking the same murderer who shot Krypto to get the antidote for the poison arrows he used on the poor dog IIRC).

 

[ManaByte]

Don’t think so as that would be repetitive since something similar happens in the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow run which the Supergirl movie will be adapting. James Gunn cited it as one of his favorite comic runs of that year when he was announced the initial slate for Chapter One, so he would know that detail and wouldn’t use it in this film knowing that would make the Supergirl movie doing something similar feel repetitive.

The emotional animal element will come, just not in THIS film.

Also, Krypto is supposed to be kind of a troublemaking rascal as Gunn used his family’s dog’s breed and behavior for this version of Krypto so if anything I expect mostly hijinks from Krypto’s end, but in an endearing way, which will make the Supergirl movie hit harder when he get hurt at the beginning (a significant element to have Supergirl begin this particular journey, in addition to being hired by an alien girl to hunt down her father’s murderer, is seeking the same murderer who shot Krypto to get the antidote for the poison arrows he used on the poor dog IIRC).

Also Woman of Tomorrow is free to read on the DC app. Go read it.

 

[Romulus]

I'm just exhausted with a different superman/story every 5 years at this point.

 

[ManaByte]

I'm just exhausted with a different superman/story every 5 years at this point.

It’s been 11 years since Man of Steel

 

[jason10mm]

Also Woman of Tomorrow is free to read on the DC app. Go read it.

Will do.

As silly of a show as it was, I do hope they keep some of the brash, almost jock-like attitude they had for Supergirl in the Super Best Friends or whatever it was called.



I died on this hill trying to get my daughter into superheroes but it failed. Hello Kitty won

The surfer bro attitude they had for Aquaman in some of the animated series was great as well. Animated DC in many, many ways is the best DC.

 

[ManaByte]

Ultraman with Lex:

 

[Doom85]

I died on this hill trying to get my daughter into superheroes but it failed. Hello Kitty won

The surfer bro attitude they had for Aquaman in some of the animated series was great as well. Animated DC in many, many ways is the best DC.

-the fight isn’t over yet, in fact Hello Kitty can help convert your daughter into other geeky IPs.

I should know, I own this plushie of pure awesomeness:

Give that to your daughter, and she’s sure to be a top Street Fighter competitor at next year’s Evo!

I remember also seeing this incredible set years ago:

Sadly, I had to pass when I saw them as they were $50 each at the time IIRC, and obviously any self-respecting Turtles fan would only accept owning all four (which would be $200, oof), got to keep the Turtle family united!


-the version of Aquaman in Batman: Brave and the Bold cartoon series was really fun.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Best post in this thread

 

[Romulus]

It’s been 11 years since Man of Steel

That's not very long, especially when you consider the sequels and appearances that character has had through the years

 

[ManaByte]

That's not very long, especially when you consider the sequels and appearances that character has had through the years

Man of Steel never got a sequel

 

[DeafTourette]

I'm just exhausted with a different superman/story every 5 years at this point.

What universe do you come from? Every 5 years, you say? So unlike the world we live in.

 

[Romulus]

Man of Steel never got a sequel

That version of superman was a main character in 3 movies over the years.

 

[DeafTourette]

That version of superman was a main character in 3 movies over the years.

But BvS nor either version of JL was not about him specifically. He wasn't even a main character in JL or ZSJL... He was basically a guest character, even less than a guest character in Black Adam... A cameo in a post credits scene.

 

[Romulus]

What universe do you come from? Every 5 years, you say? So unlike the world we live in.

2006 to 2013. 7 years. WAY off lol

 

[DeafTourette]

2006 to 2013. 7 years. WAY off lol

So 5 years or 7 years before that there was a Superman movie? And 5 or 7 yrs before that?

 

[Romulus]

So 5 years or 7 years before that there was a Superman movie? And 5 or 7 yrs before that?

We're at 3 new supermans in 19 years.

 

[ManaByte]

We're at 3 new supermans in 19 years.

Singer wanted to continue the Donner series, and Snyder made Superman a villain and wanted to have Batman be raped in prison.

 

[DeafTourette]

We're at 3 new supermans in 19 years.

Routh was a continuation of the Reeve Superman... He was was basically just Reeve without being Reeve.

It was 2 Supermans in 20 years. Not 3.

 

[Kenpachii]

Looks terrible

 

[Romulus]

Routh was a continuation of the Reeve Superman... He was was basically just Reeve without being Reeve.

It was 2 Supermans in 20 years. Not 3.

Changing actors is effectively a different superman. The feel and direction was very different regardless of the intent too.

 

[DragoonKain]

I think it looks decent, but I'm not a huge Superman fan. I think James Gunn will do a good job. I love Rachel Brosnahan, she's gorgeous. Not sure about packing it in with so many other villains and characters, it'll probably be a long movie. I'd guess 2 hours 30+.

 

[The Cockatrice]

“True Superman fan” never heard of Krypto

He didnt say he didnt hear of Krypto. He just doesnt like it, thats all. As for his other points:

-LexCorp complaint is a bit valid for me as well. Sounds much more evil and cool than LuthorCorp.
-His complain about too many super powered heroes on screen is a common complaint that I've seen around. I have no issue with it assuming the movie isnt a collosal flop, as it would set up the new Justice League nicely.
-Humanizing/making Supes weak and bloody as one of the first things in the trailer considering how modern cinema has been devaluing white males is a red flag, but we wont know until we see the movie.
-the cgi with the black kid was abysmal to say the least, so he's spot on and the overall tone of the movie feels like a black adam kind of movie. we even get the SUperman bad humans hate him scene, again even though we were moving away from the origins/shit we've already seen every single time?

Anyway I dont want the movie to fail, but it does have some red flags. People eat up hype shit these days so easily, you included, but the end result has a high chance of being the opposite of hype. The movie did nothing compared to the first trailer reveal of Infinity War for example. I watched that shit a million times. I'll never watch this trailer more than once ever again.

 

[KyoZz]

Exclusive look at Manabyte doing everything he can to defend Gunn

Relax mate, let the people talk and enjoy this new Superman, you don't need to convince everyone.

 

[ManaByte]

as it would set up the new Justice League nicely.

It doesn’t set up Justice League.

 

[The Cockatrice]

It doesn’t set up Justice League.

Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Doom85]

Don't be ridiculous.

Not ridiculous if you actually know the comics. Guy Gardener, Hawkgirl (well, Hawkwoman in the comics, but that’s splitting hairs), and Maxwell Lord are associated with the Justice League International (JLI) which is a separate team from the primary Justice League. Mr. Terrific is generally with the Justice Society of America (JSA) and Metamorpho with The Outsiders.

Given Maxwell Lord is in the movie, and the other heroes seem to already be on a team together, it’s extremely likely they’re all on the JLI already at the beginning of this movie. So not only is it a separate team from what will be the main Justice League, but they’re not even setting them up as they’re already on their own specific team.

Like, Lanterns will focus on Hal and John, both of whom are far more likely to be the Green Lantern of the main Justice League over Guy (this movie’s GL) given how much of a frustrating prick Guy often is (though he does have his good moments).

 

[ManaByte]

Given Maxwell Lord is in the movie, and the other heroes seem to already be on a team together, it’s extremely likely they’re all on the JLI already at the beginning of this movie.

They are. They’re wearing JLI uniforms in the movie.

 

[jason10mm]

They hire this:

But then dress her like THAT?

WTF, Gunn!
If you cant go full Bruce Timm with it

Then at least do what the Superfriends did in the 70's

 

[DeafTourette]

He didnt say he didnt hear of Krypto. He just doesnt like it, thats all. As for his other points:

-LexCorp complaint is a bit valid for me as well. Sounds much more evil and cool than LuthorCorp.
-His complain about too many super powered heroes on screen is a common complaint that I've seen around. I have no issue with it assuming the movie isnt a collosal flop, as it would set up the new Justice League nicely.
-Humanizing/making Supes weak and bloody as one of the first things in the trailer considering how modern cinema has been devaluing white males is a red flag, but we wont know until we see the movie.
-the cgi with the black kid was abysmal to say the least, so he's spot on and the overall tone of the movie feels like a black adam kind of movie. we even get the SUperman bad humans hate him scene, again even though we were moving away from the origins/shit we've already seen every single time?

Anyway I dont want the movie to fail, but it does have some red flags. People eat up hype shit these days so easily, you included, but the end result has a high chance of being the opposite of hype. The movie did nothing compared to the first trailer reveal of Infinity War for example. I watched that shit a million times. I'll never watch this trailer more than once ever again.

Red flags.... Ok. LoL

The first shot is to establish that Superman isn't the strongest or only strong character there is out there. It's to show that isn't entirely invulnerable as so many seem to think he can solo any villain, no matter how strong they are. Showing him bloody and battered has NOTHING to do with "white men" as Superman isn't European. He's an alien. Anyways...

LuthorCorp sounds more mature and less villainous (as it's a company and not the Legion of Doom) than LexCorp ... And there's been instances where it's been called LuthorCorp ..

The CGI black kid? Huh? He's a kid who is signaling to Superman to come save him and his people from the war... Whatever that is .

The people mad at Superman is most likely due to Superman not saving folks or something to do with Luthor's machinations against Superman leading people to see him as an enemy...

You're triggered over nothing, IMHO.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Red flags.... Ok. LoL

The first shot is to establish that Superman isn't the strongest or only strong character there is out there. It's to show that isn't entirely invulnerable as so many seem to think he can solo any villain, no matter how strong they are. Showing him bloody and battered has NOTHING to do with "white men" as Superman isn't European. He's an alien. Anyways...

LuthorCorp sounds more mature and less villainous (as it's a company and not the Legion of Doom) than LexCorp ... And there's been instances where it's been called LuthorCorp ..

The CGI black kid? Huh? He's a kid who is signaling to Superman to come save him and his people from the war... Whatever that is .

The people mad at Superman is most likely due to Superman not saving folks or something to do with Luthor's machinations against Superman leading people to see him as an enemy...

You're triggered over nothing, IMHO.

You missed the point by 1 mil light years lmao

I didnt say the black kid was cgiu, i was reffering to the scene with the black kid which has TV show levels of cgi. Actually, worse. This is a big blockbuster movie? Fucking lmao. I swear, with each year, cgi has been getting worse and worse. This might even be AI.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Not ridiculous if you actually know the comics. Guy Gardener, Hawkgirl (well, Hawkwoman in the comics, but that’s splitting hairs), and Maxwell Lord are associated with the Justice League International (JLI) which is a separate team from the primary Justice League. Mr. Terrific is generally with the Justice Society of America (JSA) and Metamorpho with The Outsiders.

Given Maxwell Lord is in the movie, and the other heroes seem to already be on a team together, it’s extremely likely they’re all on the JLI already at the beginning of this movie. So not only is it a separate team from what will be the main Justice League, but they’re not even setting them up as they’re already on their own specific team.

Like, Lanterns will focus on Hal and John, both of whom are far more likely to be the Green Lantern of the main Justice League over Guy (this movie’s GL) given how much of a frustrating prick Guy often is (though he does have his good moments).

So theyre setting up the Justice League as I said. Gotcha lmao.

 

[ManaByte]

So theyre setting up the Justice League as I said. Gotcha lmao.

Except they’re not. In the movie the JLI are antagonists. They’re the “official” sanctioned heroes in Metropolis on the payroll of Maxwell Lord. Supes has been in Metropolis for 2 years and won’t join (because Maxwell Lord is evil of course) and is seen as an outcast/renegade because he won’t join the official group and put on their uniform.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Except they’re not. In the movie the JLI are antagonists. They’re the “official” sanctioned heroes in Metropolis on the payroll of Maxwell Lord. Supes has been in Metropolis for 2 years and won’t join (because Maxwell Lord is evil of course) and is seen as an outcast/renegade because he won’t join the official group and put on their uniform.

The movie isnt called Justice League. They are and will set up for a future Justice League. DC wants their Avengers Infinity War moment. You'd be naive to think otherwise. The evil Justice League in the upcoming Superman has nothing to do with what I said. Whether they'll be called something else is again not relevant to what I said. I was just implying there will be a good ol team up against good ol evil. Or at the very least an Injustice one. Either way, you know what I meant.

 

[Halo is Back]

This looks lame as hell

 

[FunkMiller]

I honestly think the best thing about this whole trailer was Krypto. If Gunn manages to capture the relationship they have in All Star, then he’ll go a long way in making the movie very appealing to a wide audience. This is a Superman for kids, and I’ve always said that is the right way to go. I’m going to keep my fingers crossed that the shared universe garbage is kept to a minimum, in favour of echoing Grant Morrison’s fantastic individual work on Superman.

 

[DeafTourette]

I honestly think the best thing about this whole trailer was Krypto. If Gunn manages to capture the relationship they have in All Star, then he’ll go a long way in making the movie very appealing to a wide audience. This is a Superman for kids, and I’ve always said that is the right way to go. I’m going to keep my fingers crossed that the shared universe garbage is kept to a minimum, in favour of echoing Grant Morrison’s fantastic individual work on Superman.

The shared universe is the way to go IMO.... Instead of every character having an origin, let's jump into them already being a hero ... Maybe have an origin of how Hal and Ollie become besties or why Batman welcomes Jason Todd back to the fold and the Batfamily... I want a cinematic universe that doesn't do origins in the conventional way... I want a universe that's already lived in by these heroes and villains... I want crossover where it makes sense... And I want something like The living Island from Justice League New Frontier giving all the heroes a proper challenge when they finally DO form the Justice League.

 

[KyoZz]

Imagine having a baby seeing the beauty and wholesomeness of Man of Steel but not grown up people

 

[FunkMiller]

The shared universe is the way to go IMO.... Instead of every character having an origin, let's jump into them already being a hero ... Maybe have an origin of how Hal and Ollie become besties or why Batman welcomes Jason Todd back to the fold and the Batfamily... I want a cinematic universe that doesn't do origins in the conventional way... I want a universe that's already lived in by these heroes and villains... I want crossover where it makes sense... And I want something like The living Island from Justice League New Frontier giving all the heroes a proper challenge when they finally DO form the Justice League.

And I would have agreed with all of that... fifteen years ago. But things are very different now, from what they were then. The shine has well and truly come off the superhero genre. The only massively successful movie in the past couple of years has been the one poking fun at the whole thing. There have been a lot more flops than successes.

I just think it would have been far more sensible of Gunn to forget the 'DCU' (which he's very vocal about) and concentrate on making a solid single movie. You get to do the shared universe thing when you've proved you're good at the foundations. WB have never done this. I don't think trying to inflict another cinematic universe on a tired audience is a sensible way to do things. Especially if it might also jeopardise the success of another universe you've just had a critically and commercially very successful prestige TV show set in. We don't need more than one Batman.

 

[ManaByte]

WB have never done this

 

[KyoZz]

And I would have agreed with all of that... fifteen years ago. But things are very different now, from what they were then. The shine has well and truly come off the superhero genre. The only massively successful movie in the past couple of years has been the one poking fun at the whole thing. There have been a lot more flops than successes.

I just think it would have been far more sensible of Gunn to forget the 'DCU' (which he's very vocal about) and concentrate on making a solid single movie. You get to do the shared universe thing when you've proved you're good at the foundations. WB have never done this. I don't think trying to inflict another cinematic universe on a tired audience is a sensible way to do things. Especially if it might also jeopardise the success of another universe you've just had a critically and commercially very successful prestige TV show set in. We don't need more than one Batman.

I feel you on the connected universe stuff. No matter what people said this DCU is 100% leading to a JL. It wont be Fillon as GL but whatever, that's just moving the point. Worst part is The Batman could become part of the DCU. I don't know how much of this is true, it's from Jeff Sneider so... I dunno

RUMOR: James Gunn Wants Robert Pattinson As The DCU's BATMAN; Matt Reeves "Resistant" To The Idea

It seems DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn might be interested to bringing The Batman star Robert Pattinson into the DCU, but director Matt Reeves may not be on board...

comicbookmovie.com

And that would be the nail in the coffin for this universe in my opinion.

At the end of the day, he still answer to Zaslav tho.