Because it can kill almost anything. Just too bad we now won't learn what it can't kill.
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Supernatural Season 12 |OT| Mama, I'm Coming Home
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Because it can kill almost anything. Just too bad we now won't learn what it can't kill.
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What if it was always Chuck/God's plan to have Castiel as a mentor for the Nephilim, after having experienced before both the divine and the human condition, in order for the Nephilim to take over after him, restore Heaven and bring back order but with a sense of moral compassion that was lacking from his Archangels? This would allow God to retire from this side of the universe (as he is obviously tired of managing Earth).
I could see next season be about Lucifer's hunt for Cas and the Nephilim child ala Firestarter (Kelly indeed dying in childbirth) while the Winchesters have to confront the post American situation for the MOL (I can't see how a trip to England will be avoided, which will be weird for their story)..
Septimus Prime
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It was fine for the first two seasons, when their ammo was severely limited. Do you use it now to ensure a kill, or do you save the bullet for later, when you might need it? Demons were also actually a threat back then.
But ever since Laurel Lance taught them how to make more bullets, it's been too powerful.
If the bullets were harder to make it wouldn't be an issue. If making bullets required a human sacrifice and the bullets themselves were powered by souls it'd probably still work as an interesting plot device. The brothers would still be severely limited by ammo supply, they'd be iffy as it whether they should make more or not, and in using the actual bullets (is it worth using this person's sacrifice to kill this monster?).
They just made the bullets too easy to make is all. Silver bullets and some herbs is just too easy, especially considering how the gun itself was made.
Chairmanchuck
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I chuckled when Sam and Dean are not sure whether they can kill that pregnant woman or not because she is innocent, while they kill demons all the time and in turn kill the innocent humans they overtake while in the first couple seasons they tried to exorcise the demons to save the human.
They made a point to address that in the season 11 premiere and they've tried to cut back on that. Sam told Dean, "When did we forget how to do this?"
That being said, there's a difference between when they're fighting a demon who could kill them right there and killing a pure human with a baby inside her.
They did find out that the Demons do tend to kill their hosts pretty early on in the possession, ride them hard and all that. There was a whole episode about it no one seems to remember.
cartoon_soldier
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Loved it. Episode went into a totally new direction.
The baby is the new God?
The one where they're trapped in the house by that crossroads demon.
Mama Winchester is bad as fuck.
ahhhhh ok now I remember, thanks!
Freddy=Legend
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Alicia, your first mistake? Being a female character on Supernatural.
so they have sam and dean, cas; daughter and garth on watch. did anyone see who the others were?
and since dean killed the witch and shes in hell, does that mean max is still bound by the demon?
not this again. her first mistake was being a friend of the winchesters. the same thing that killed mick.
and since dean killed the witch and shes in hell, does that mean max is still bound by the demon?
not this again. her first mistake was being a friend of the winchesters. the same thing that killed mick.
dead souls
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No lies detected.
DarkHeartedKill
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I think the girl that shot the MoL agent while trying to kill Dagon was also on screen.
Question, didn't Crowley already kill the alpha shapeshifter while trying to open purgatory? Regular shapeshifters can't just change like that, can they? Maybe I have my lore wires crossed.
They have Garth on watch I hope they don't kill him... despite his cheap exit I still like him.
Lastly I liked her why
. I can understand why he did what he did, he lost his mom and sister but he's heading down a dark dangerous path. I wonder if mini-lucifer will recruit him.NoblesseOblige
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Not sure why Dean shot the witch. He's basically got the king of the crossroads/hell in his back pocket so he could have let Max take the ring and then just have that deal reneged. Or am I forgetting something if their friendship ended with Crowley.
4 is a cutie
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I feel like having the BMOL existing to serve as a catalyst for such an event highlights my problem with the themes of this season, when it comes to "justice vs compassion". It comes across as too cartoonish and downplays what could be a fairly compelling topic where hunters wonder about the "right way" to deal with the "bad guys" they are lead to eliminate as part of their job. Instead, it's portrayed as "Sam and Dean = good. Those that appose them = bad" when I think there's more that could've been done with the topic.
Not Spaceghost
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I am actually kinda interested in what's going to happen to mary for the first time this season lol.
Also Alicia dying was kinda uh...lame? Her brother taking the powers was so obviously going to happen, but I wonder why he didn't revive the mother as a doll as well? I guess because the heart disintegrated when dean shot the super witch?
I feel like we are too close to the end of the season to be doing episodes like this where 80% of it feels like a monster of the week with some set up for a later season. This season really suffers from lack of focus and vision. I also really hate that magic has slowly become what is basically super powers when early on in the series witch magic was basically just blood / voodoo / shaman rituals and really just gross and unpleasant. Now they've got little purple glowing eyes and pyrokinesis .
Also Alicia dying was kinda uh...lame? Her brother taking the powers was so obviously going to happen, but I wonder why he didn't revive the mother as a doll as well? I guess because the heart disintegrated when dean shot the super witch?
I feel like we are too close to the end of the season to be doing episodes like this where 80% of it feels like a monster of the week with some set up for a later season. This season really suffers from lack of focus and vision. I also really hate that magic has slowly become what is basically super powers when early on in the series witch magic was basically just blood / voodoo / shaman rituals and really just gross and unpleasant. Now they've got little purple glowing eyes and pyrokinesis .
The Silver
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never ask a Winchester for help, when will people learn.
Freddy=Legend
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Dammit, I liked Eileen.
BoxManLocke
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Absolutely dreadful start.
Writers were so concerned about not killing Sam and Dean so that death doesn't lose its meaning on the show.
But guess what, killind supporting characters left and right has the exact same effect.
Writers were so concerned about not killing Sam and Dean so that death doesn't lose its meaning on the show.
But guess what, killind supporting characters left and right has the exact same effect.
Freddy=Legend
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Lucifer screwing with Crowley is great. This show comes alive when he's on screen.
cr0w
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Yep.
That's absolute nonsense. I was annoyed at the Mick death but I at least understood it.
This is too much at this point. I think the second half of this season has been great but enough with the damn deaths. How have the writers not noticed that characters dying on Supernatural has become a meme?
Like, when people saw Charlie was coming back for a third episode in the season -- the third to last -- people knew she was going to die. People joked about Eileen randomly coming back as well.
Stop it. Keep characters alive. Tell stories with those characters. Have them grow and change.
How frustrating it must be for Robbie Thompson. Both female characters he created, Charlie and Eileen, who were fan favorites that fans didn't get mad at for getting too close with the boys, killed off in dumb ways.
cr0w
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I've been a fan of Shoshannah Stern, Eileen's actress, since she was on Jericho. Ironically she got killed off on that one too. I enjoyed her and Sam seemingly having a connection, they played off of each other well. Plus she's a damn sweetheart.
I just don't see the point of her being killed off, especially in the unceremonious manner that she was. All these hints that her and Sam had a thing and then bam, nope she's done. It's fucking stupid.
I just don't see the point of her being killed off, especially in the unceremonious manner that she was. All these hints that her and Sam had a thing and then bam, nope she's done. It's fucking stupid.
The Silver
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par the course for Supernatural, I'm getting really tired of them doing this
Give me Mick.
Is she deaf in real life?
cr0w
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Yes she is.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Yeah, I was 100% expecting that moment.
I wonder if there's something in the cambpell genes that makes them such effective killers. Sam without a soul ran though cats with such skill that it was terrifying even for people that knew him. Dean can somehow decapitate various beings with one fucking swing, and Mary can steathily enter and kill people in their own home when she has no inhibitions.
The Winchesters were Men of Letters before John, who became a hunter. And the Campbells have hunters for several generations according to Supernatural Wiki. So I guess this basically means killing monsters is in their blood.
DarkHeartedKill
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Eileen...no why? WHY?!
and Jody...Claire...no...please for the love of God NO I SWEAR TO FUCK SUPERNATURAL! If she wasn't bluffing about them being dead I'm gonna flip some goddamn tables.
and Jody...Claire...no...please for the love of God NO I SWEAR TO FUCK SUPERNATURAL! If she wasn't bluffing about them being dead I'm gonna flip some goddamn tables.
Now that I've watched the episode, that was pretty damn great. But yes, killing off Eileen was a moronic writing decision and pretty damn disrespectful to the actress. They didn't even give her a line? Seriously?
I think she meant it in a "they're going to be dead" way, not that they literally are.
I think she meant it in a "they're going to be dead" way, not that they literally are.
it has to be the campbell line then. since the winchesters being Amol it seems gives them more proficiency with learning.
one thing though, is anyone disappointed with the capabilities of the british men of letters? from what we got from the american side, they were hunting demons, and capable of all sorts of high level magic. the brits just seem to strongarm everything with very little of the magic the men of letters are supposed to be known for
Did anyone watch the preview? Where in the hell are they during that standoff with Lucifer? It has a another color palette, similar to Purgatory but it obviously isn't.
And there's dead people lying around, wearing what looks to be rags. And these weird objects jutting out from the ground. It doesn't look any kind of set I've ever seen on this show.
And there's dead people lying around, wearing what looks to be rags. And these weird objects jutting out from the ground. It doesn't look any kind of set I've ever seen on this show.
BreezyLimbo
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Those obelisks do look interesting. And the color palette signifies it's SOMEWHERE. Unless it's color palette just for the preview? Still, the obelisks are....something. Looking at the left most one, there's a body pierced at the top with blood dripping down? And why's it so bright in the center top? Some kind of portal created by the obelisks?
The palette reminds me of purgatory.
BreezyLimbo
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It definitely does. They always made it a point to make Purgatory into a forest, though, not a desert.(I assume Purgatory has various locales, but all we've seen from it are forests)
NoblesseOblige
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Just started latest episode and wow, they just kill off Eileen like she's some rando at the start of any episode.
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