Syria launches fresh airstrikes from the base USA bombed

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slit said:
Which has now backfired and made them more emboldened.
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TrojanBlade said:
I don't get this argument ... 'well at least the babies and kids are not getting killed by chemical weapons...but with less horrible weapons...that's a clear WIN!!!!'
Yes I understand using chemical weapons is worse and horrible but Assad's atrocities and murdering rampage has been going on for so long, 1000s of innocent kids/women/men have died before this chemical attack...less horribly but still, those people are dead, murdered. In my mind a murder of an innocent is a murder, and US as it pretends to be the world's police force, should have taken measures against this a-hole long time back and crippled his army. We bombed the shit out of Iraq for no good reason, at least here there was a good reason to do so.
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There are treaties and moral obligations for the world globally not to have chemical warfare in use, at all, which exists "in its own bubble" that doesn't need shot down with "but look at all this other terrible shit!". It is pretty much a singular issue in many regards which can be tackled in addition to all the other horrible shit going on.

You Are Viewtiful said:
I wish Hillary were president right now... instead we're stuck with this bimbo.
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If you're talking about this sole issue (chemical weapons), Hillary Clinton is in favour of air striking bases.

Speaking to the New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, Mrs Clinton said she believed the US had been wrong not to have previously launched such an offensive.

She said: "Assad had an air force, and that air force is the cause of most of the civilian deaths, as we have seen over the years and as we saw again in the last few days.

"And I really believe that we should have and still should take out his airfields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop Sarin gas on them."
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rbase-cruise-missiles-tomohawks-a7671861.html
 
I mean its an airfield of course it would be used again.
They said last night they weren't specifically targeting the runway because Tomahawks wouldn't be effective.
They took out some supporting structures and vehicles.

With the warning from Russia they probably got the fuel and other stuff out of there.
 
Guy.brush said:
According to the US Department of Defence's annual budget, a single Tomahawk missile costs $1.59 million.
59 missiles x 1.59$ mio and you get arond $94 million.

How much do 6 migs and a mess hall cost?
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Fighter jets can cost like several million each. Some are like 10-20m each, though I dunno how much migs cost.

Seriously though. 50 cruise missiles and it did that little?
 
SilentRacoon said:
It's dumbfounding the fact that each missile used in the strike costs around 1 million a piece, that equates to 59 million dollars tax payers are going to cover to replace the stock, fucking insanity, for a strike that accomplished as much as Trump has in his 2 months in office.
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Almost as much as a trip to Mar a Lago!
 
Would have been more effective to just gift the Syrian army a couple Eurofighter jets and watch them swirl from the sky after first use, chances of hitting something worthwhile would have been greater.
 
SilentRacoon said:
It's dumbfounding the fact that each missile used in the strike costs around 1 million a piece, that equates to 59 million dollars tax payers are going to cover to replace the stock, fucking insanity, for a strike that accomplished as much as Trump has in his 2 months in office.
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Did Trump or a friend make money from this......
 
Razgriz-Specter said:
I mean its an airfield of course it would be used again.
They said last night they weren't specifically targeting the runway because Tomahawks wouldn't be effective.
They took out some supporting structures and vehicles.
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The message was meant to disable this base completely for the use of chemical warfare as a no tolerance rule from US and yet it's fully operational at a massive cost to the United States. This is a big fail and exposes a weakness that USA is not all that competent.
 
You Are Viewtiful said:
I'm in favour of striking Syria too; in favour of doing it properly (and for the right reasons).
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So in this instance you'd want the base totalled? What's your thoughts on

Mr Trump's National Security Adviser, H R McMaster, said measures had also been put in place to avoid hitting what were believed to be stores of Sarin at Shayrat, so that it "would not be ignited and cause a hazard to civilians or anyone else".
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To expand on your general thoughts, do you want more American military force in Syria right now, as in an attempt to get rid of Assad?
 
this is super complex

Do nothing ... Civil war, Assad kills civilians

Military Strikes/drones ... won't remove Assad ... kills civilians

Troops on the ground .. Iraq 2
 
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TrojanBlade said:
I don't get this argument ... 'well at least the babies and kids are not getting killed by chemical weapons...but with less horrible weapons...that's a clear WIN!!!!'
Yes I understand using chemical weapons is worse and horrible but Assad's atrocities and murdering rampage has been going on for so long, 1000s of innocent kids/women/men have died before this chemical attack...less horribly but still, those people are dead, murdered. In my mind a murder of an innocent is a murder, and US as it pretends to be the world's police force, should have taken measures against this a-hole long time back and crippled his army. We bombed the shit out of Iraq for no good reason, at least here there was a good reason to do so.
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That approach hasn't worked out in any of the countries that US has intervened or invaded the last few decades, so why would it be different for this one?

Moreover, the was an opportunity in 2012 with a Russian-led regime transition which would have led Assad to step down. This, however, was not explored by Obama. Would it have been any different? We don't know, but we do know it wasn't taken seriously.

Liberals and the media cheering for this sort of behaviour have terrible memories. It's the same cycle repeating itself over and over again. And don't pretend it's about the morality of it all, when the US routinely kills civilians and destabilises entire regions, whilst at the same time turning a blind eye to human rights abuses in countries that they are allied with.

Something like this has the potential to turn into an even worse disaster as Syria is the only ally Russia have in the region. This has much wider effects for the country and for the West's relationship with Russia. It's a disaster by all accounts.
 
Milly Osworth said:
They let Trump aim?
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He just didn't wanted to enrage papa Putin too much.

But really this was just a smokescreen to try and shift the focus from the Russian investigations, he just found a good excuse to pull it off.

People suggesting this was a joint effort between Trump and RU are going full tinfoil hat mode.
 
Akuun said:
Fighter jets can cost like several million each. Some are like 10-20m each, though I dunno how much migs cost.

Seriously though. 50 cruise missiles and it did that little?
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Some ex general was talking on MSNBC's Maddox show last about how the Navy has other weapons specifically designed for taking out airfields, and that they wouldn't have used tomahawks if destroying the airfield completely was the goal. It was to blow up a few planes maybe some infrastructure and send a message.
 
Shit if I were going to be president and miss on purpose, I'd have sent five missles: four to miss and one hollow dud that contains a note that says "stop motherfuckers. We missed on purpose today"
 
Audioboxer said:
There are treaties and moral obligations for the world globally not to have chemical warfare in use, at all, which exists "in its own bubble" that doesn't need shot down with "but look at all this other terrible shit!". It is pretty much a singular issue in many regards which can be tackled in addition to all the other horrible shit going on.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rbase-cruise-missiles-tomohawks-a7671861.html
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I wasn't shooting it down, I was saying it isn't going to work.
 
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