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[Arksy]

Germany doesn't have freedom of speech? Why did they allow all those PEGIDA marches then?

Denying the holocaust is a thought crime. They can and do ban entire political parties. These things are fundamentally incompatible with the notion of free speech. Nonetheless, I agree with her. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are important. I hope she initiates reforms in Germany in order to achieve those principles.

 

[Perfect Blue]

Here in Canada, as of 2012. 2 countries in our top 10 immigration list are places that have high amounts of these scums.

4th place : Pakistan
7th place : Iran

People bitch and moan here against those people, yet we have our doors open to them all wide open. That top 10 is calculated to be 56% of the entire immigration. The rest of our 44% is from other countries and i imagine that many more of them idiots get in from there.

Where I live we have 1 church, and 12 mosques... eventually we will get overrun by these Muslim, Islamic, Radical people.

Why people hate these groups is simple, they follow a religion that treats woman like shit and have fuck up views and ways.

And stop fucking eating shawarmas lol, i betcha some of those are put in place to make money and send that cash back to the terrorist groups. There are more shawarma places than McDonalds here.

After this post last night you sure are on a roll.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I need to stop reading Twitter when there are imbeciles like this:
https://twitter.com/sururi_slayer/status/552857411464478720

Sigh, what an idiot.

Although, at least one of those responding seems to be more level headed.

 

[Abounder]

So we stop engaging the Middle East and North Africa for the foreseeable future until the whole area cools down or destroys itself? This has always been my preferred strategy, but, as a Muslim, I'd like your take.

Is there any reasonable hope to engage diplomatically, not just with governments, but with the people of these countried as well, to stifle the recruiting prowess of radical Islamic elements?

If the west moves towards energy independence and dwindling demographics then those other regions will indeed be left to their own devices. The only solution is to increase quality of life abroad, and that likely won't happen significantly in the next 15 or more years. Those regions depend on imports for food and other basics, it's going to be interesting times indeed.

 

[asvpxjad]

Here in Canada, as of 2012. 2 countries in our top 10 immigration list are places that have high amounts of these scums.

4th place : Pakistan
7th place : Iran

People bitch and moan here against those people, yet we have our doors open to them all wide open. That top 10 is calculated to be 56% of the entire immigration. The rest of our 44% is from other countries and i imagine that many more of them idiots get in from there.

Where I live we have 1 church, and 12 mosques... eventually we will get overrun by these Muslim, Islamic, Radical people.

Why people hate these groups is simple, they follow a religion that treats woman like shit and have fuck up views and ways.

And stop fucking eating shawarmas lol, i betcha some of those are put in place to make money and send that cash back to the terrorist groups. There are more shawarma places than McDonalds here.

You're so confused it's sad. Not all Muslims are radicals. As a Lebanese Muslim I have never met another Arab that has demoralized women in any way.

 

[west4th]

People dying because of a cartoon in 2015 is a bloody disgrace. A cartoon of a bronze age pedophile none the less..

 

[Gorger]

Speaking as a Muslim and with full transparency, I can tell you that what you're suggesting will never happen.

The religion is too lost in it's ways. Culture oppresses anyone from speaking out loudly. Yes you'll have the few speak out living in the western world, but the people that live in the muslim world cannot freely speak out. Too much fear, oppression, and of course being targeted afterwards.

It's terrible really.

That kind of thinking was daily life in Medieval Christian Europe as well, but guess what it gradually changed! Do you think people living in the 1400~ ever would believe that we one day would get the freedom to say pretty much anything we want against Christianity without any fear of consequences or reprisals? I think (and hope) the Muslim world some day in the future also will look upon this period against Islamic Fundamentalism with shame and disgust just like Westerners are today against all the atrocities that was done in the name of Christianity.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Here in Canada, as of 2012. 2 countries in our top 10 immigration list are places that have high amounts of these scums.

4th place : Pakistan
7th place : Iran

People bitch and moan here against those people, yet we have our doors open to them all wide open. That top 10 is calculated to be 56% of the entire immigration. The rest of our 44% is from other countries and i imagine that many more of them idiots get in from there.

Where I live we have 1 church, and 12 mosques... eventually we will get overrun by these Muslim, Islamic, Radical people.

Why people hate these groups is simple, they follow a religion that treats woman like shit and have fuck up views and ways.

And stop fucking eating shawarmas lol, i betcha some of those are put in place to make money and send that cash back to the terrorist groups. There are more shawarma places than McDonalds here.

These scums?

Really?

 

[marrec]

Just saw this cartoon on Twitter, don't know if it has been posted yet.

Man, just fucking nailed it.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Any ideology combined with heavy weaponry is a threat to our freedoms. Religions deserve criticism and satire indeed, but our disrespect? Poorly chosen wording, what about tolerance?

This is why he is such a bad writer, he writes fearless disrespect as if its necessary that all Muslims convert to non-religion

 

[Chairman Yang]

I don't really agree the Thirty Years War was entirely about religion. I think in large part it was about the power of the Habsburg dynasty within the Holy Roman Empire (and the strength of the Holy Roman Empire as an entity) and beyond, certainly that's what it was about towards the end of the Thirty Years War anyway.

In addition, Islam has had plenty of intra-religious wars throughout its history. Sunni-Shia conflicts have been incredibly bloody and pervasive, but there have also been wars within Sunni Islam itself.

Basically, I find the notion that Islam requires a Thirty Years War equivalent to really change very unpersuasive.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Not going to quote that guy but unfortunately his viewpoint is commonplace from things I overhear in daily conversation.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Denying the holocaust is a thought crime. They can and do ban entire political parties. These things are fundamentally incompatible with the notion of free speech. Nonetheless, I agree with her. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are important. I hope she initiates reforms in Germany in order to achieve those principles.

I agree with you but this is a whole other debate and I'm not sure if this thread is the right place to have it. It could get pretty heated.

 

[UnrealEck]

Disagree with this quote. Brainwashing can certainly occur without religion.

Can you give examples of brainwashing to do evil things not in the name or involvement of religion?

 

[motorised mallard]

I don't even begin to understand how you can put on an equal footing a genocide with satire.

Satire of imaginary characters of 1000+ year old stories even.

 

[MIMIC]

THEY ESCAPED?!

 

[Maninthemirror]

People dying because of a cartoon in 2015 is a bloody disgrace. A cartoon of a bronze age pedophile none the less..

and here we go again, your argument started off great...

Can you give examples of brainwashing to do evil things not in the name or involvement of religion?

Stalinism, communism, Khmer Rouge, Nazism

 

[Randam]

Speaking of which, Angela Merkel, chancellor of a country that doesn't have free speech and freedom of the press, was talking about how these principles must be defended.

Say what?
Where did you get that?

 

[Arksy]

I agree with you but this is a whole other debate and I'm not sure if this thread is the right place to have it. It could get pretty heated.

You're right. Not the right place for it. I'm just eagerly awaiting updates. Hope this doesn't go on for much longer.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Another classic:

"Love Stronger than Hate"

 

[Axial]

Sick and disgusting. I'm speechless.

 

[kingkitty]

these fucking lunatics.

 

[params7]

Here in Canada,...

And stop fucking eating shawarmas lol, i betcha some of those are put in place to make money and send that cash back to the terrorist groups. There are more shawarma places than McDonalds here.

I fucking love shawarmas though. You haven't had a real shawarma until you've eaten one from a restaurant in UAE. Tasty as all hell.

And what exactly is so wrong with Mosques? Unless you're worried they'll make so many that they'll convert everybody and take over your government and impose Sharia law or something..which is all nonsense. Most of the immigrants coming over from Pakistan and Middle-East are working hard trying to make a new life in a new land. They have absolutely nothing to do with terrorist outfits as much as you'd like to believe otherwise.

The cop shot dead on the pavement was named Ahmed. Most likely a Muslim cop right here who just died protecting civilians.

 

[His Majesty]

Speaking of which, Angela Merkel, chancellor of a country that doesn't have free speech and freedom of the press, was talking about how these principles must be defended.

Germany is still in denial about its past, it takes time for wounds to heal.

edit: I'm talking about censorship of WW II related stuff

 

[Lutherian]

What the fuck is this?

Sadly, we have a lot of people like "ElodieTicotoune" in France . And we also have lots of young jerks who's actually happy of the murders on Twitter...

Like John Wayne said in a french parody of many of his films : "Monde de merde" (Shitty world") from the movie : La Classe Américaine.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Just saw this cartoon on Twitter, don't know if it has been posted yet.

This is amazing.

Truly fantastic stuff.

 

[hobblygobbly]

Speaking of which, Angela Merkel, chancellor of a country that doesn't have free speech and freedom of the press, was talking about how these principles must be defended.

Are you drunk and/or high or just ignorant on 100% German and EU politics?

What you said is completely untrue.

 

[metalslimer]

Can you give examples of brainwashing to do evil things not in the name or involvement of religion?

The Nazi regime? Any secular government that has committed terrible acts of atrocity?

 

[kamorra]

Germany is still in denial about its past, it takes time for wounds to heal. I'm pretty sure time will bring wisdom to them.

Everything in this quote couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Randam]

Germany is still in denial about its past, it takes time for wounds to heal. I'm pretty sure time will bring wisdom to them.

What are you guys talking about?

 

[GalacticSushiman]

Just saw this cartoon on Twitter, don't know if it has been posted yet.

This is so true it's not even funny.

This act will most probably fuel the hatred against the Muslim world - this very thread is already showing how some people will (stupidly) associate a barbarian act of a few crazy radical persons to the whole Muslim community - which is the last thing we need right now...

 

[Xando]

Germany is still in denial about its past, it takes time for wounds to heal. I'm pretty sure time will bring wisdom to them.

Wat?

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Any ideology combined with heavy weaponry is a threat to our freedoms. Religions deserve criticism and satire indeed, but our disrespect? Poorly chosen wording, what about tolerance?

Nah, religion has my full disrespect.

 

[Sayad]

Can you give examples of brainwashing to do evil things not in the name or involvement of religion?

Was Nazi Germany religious?

 

[marrec]

The Nazi regime?

Lets face it, the Nazi regime was a fanatical religious movement in much the same way, they just worshipped a living prophet instead of a dead one.

 

[esms]

If the west moves towards energy independence and dwindling demographics then those other regions will indeed be left to their own devices. The only solution is to increase quality of life abroad, and that likely won't happen significantly in the next 15 or more years. Those regions depend on imports for food and other basics, it's going to be interesting times indeed.

It's sad that the entire region will be left to rot by the US and Europe, especially given its tumultuous history with those two parties. I just hope it makes those peoples hate us less and not more.

 

[mantidor]

Any ideology combined with heavy weaponry is a threat to our freedoms. Religions deserve criticism and satire indeed, but our disrespect? Poorly chosen wording, what about tolerance?

Can you really have "respectful" satire though?

 

[His Majesty]

Everything in this quote couldn't be further from the truth.

A lot of nazi related stuff is currently censored in Germany, hell even Nazi flags in Hearts of Iron III. Don't tell me that's a healthy approach to history?

edit: let me be clear that in no way am I defending nazism, I am talking about censorship, people seem to misinterpret what I mean

 

[Kabouter]

and here we go again, your argument started off great...

Starting to wonder if people just throw around terms like 'bronze age' to say 'Really really long ago'

Was Nazi Germany religious?

As a state, not really, outside of standard things like the oath swearing loyalty to Adolf Hitler being one where one swore to God. As a country? Absolutely. The vast majority of Germans at the time would have been either Roman Catholic or Protestant.

 

[Ushojax]

Any ideology combined with heavy weaponry is a threat to our freedoms. Religions deserve criticism and satire indeed, but our disrespect? Poorly chosen wording, what about tolerance?

What he is saying is that we shouldn't be afraid to disrespect religion. Which is perfectly true.

 

[Stet]

Nah, religion has my full disrespect.

religion is shuddering in its boots

 

[hobblygobbly]

Germany is still in denial about its past, it takes time for wounds to heal. I'm pretty sure time will bring wisdom to them.

Please tell me this is a joke.

The world needs to learn from Germany in how they dealt with the past. There is not a single nation in the history of human civilization that has dealt with its past as good as Germany.

 

[Abounder]

Any ideology combined with heavy weaponry is a threat to our freedoms. Religions deserve criticism and satire indeed, but our disrespect? Poorly chosen wording, what about tolerance?

This is why he is such a bad writer, he writes fearless disrespect as if its necessary that all Muslims convert to non-religion

No, he's saying that religions like all other ideas can and will be shit upon. To fear to disrespect something is no way for a free society to function, and more medieval than not.

 

[Xcellere]

Can you give examples of brainwashing to do evil things not in the name or involvement of religion?

Religion is massively capable of brainwashing, but it most definitely happens in secular society: You're telling me racist nationalism in Nazi Germany was motivated by religion? Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge, the list goes on.

Brainwashing happens both with and without religion, it's just that religious brainwashing is particularly incredible because it stems from such spectacularly irrational beliefs.

 

[imBask]

Was Nazi Germany religious?

they attacked an ethnoreligious group though

 

[Deadbeat]

Sick and disgusting. I'm speechless.

But its just a few people. Its not a growing symptom at all.

 

[S1kkZ]

Germany is still in denial about its past, it takes time for wounds to heal. I'm pretty sure time will bring wisdom to them.

the fuck?

 

[Sioen]

Sick and disgusting. I'm speechless.

To all the americans who didn't know, this is what is different with our immigrants. Fuck this shit.

 

[Stet]

But its just a few people.

It's nine people, judging by that image. Or are you taking this as a statistical sample?

 

[SyenceLabb]

Where is the eloquently speaking

Spoiler

late

Christopher Hitchens when you need him.