I give you France (but even then, FN isn't strictly fascist), but Greece will probably elect the direct opposite. And Germany? Don't be ridiculous. There isn't even a right-wing party in parliament.
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Terror attack kills 12 at Paris newspaper - 4 wounded, gunmen identified
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FlyingSaucer
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What did you expect from ER ?
GameGuru59
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While that's true, the last European elections were the most successful for xenophobic parties across Europe and France was one of the countries on top of that. Plus the rise in the open anti-muslims protests in Germany (one of the countries not yet affected in the elections though). So there is a slightly worse environment than when the last terrorist attacks stroke.
RPGCrazied
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RIP. I hope they find these murderers and give them swift punishment.
It sure would be great if people would stop judging religion based on the actions committed by fuck tard extremist.
So what? What, is the point of what the hell i said in the first place. Which was replied with 'no, that didn't happen.' Statistics, again, have nothing to do with the comments they were making, nor do they have anything to do with Mahr's history of anti-arab/muslim/islam sentiment. Step up to the plate and be honest with yourself. Am I sitting here taking issue at the concept of generalizing? Am I crying because someone has been generalized? No, im being told that my eyes and ears were lying to me.That nothing of the sort happened. In case you missed it, I just replied that afleck responded to their gross generalizations, not hardly being a douchebag, as he was called for doing so.
Mahr is in it for the ratings, thats where his bigotry comes from. Comparing islam to a mafia, wasn't a poll. Nor was considering it the mother load of bad ideas. That wasn't data. The show was to rile up anti-islam sentiment. It wasn't productive in any way outside of backing up stereotypes to vilify a people, and selling whatever harris was onto sell or peddle.
Take your lame ass liberal smear campaign elsewhere. No group in this country is a good one. I'm not a liberal. I'm a black dude in the USA waiting for us to stop getting killed all the time, who want's people in the government representing citizens, not businesses, one who doesn't participate in the bullshit superbowl of liberals vs conservatives that your government wants you to have while they rob you all blind, and take away your rights and dignity. Thats my affiliation.
People want to pretend this was some sort of progressive segment. It wasn't. Sure, there was data. There were also a lot of ignorance spread. There is nothing wrong with noting both, instead of trying to pretend that Mahr has no history/no agenda with the subject, and that harris doesn't have a bias. Instead of defending their less, accurate, statements, they should be held to a standard where if they are trying to be productive, they won't alienate others off the bat. Wasn't productive. It was only to cheerlead the idea that Islam is bad, and muslims aren't doing anything about it.
I think we are on the same page, I'm not a generalizing defender. Just noted that it wasn't specifically what went down on the show, and it doesn't make someone a douchebag for noting bullshit on Mahrs show. Others will think, there was no bullshit on the show, and hes a douchebag. Thats fine -- but I'm going to stop it here as this thread isn't really about Mahr, Harris, or Afleck..
Germany, where the demonstrations against Pegida vastly outnumbered ones by Pegida itself? Greece I already mentioned as being one where Golden Dawn entered a decline. In France the Front National is obviously worryingly popular, but they are extremely unlikely to get a majority supporting them. Serbia I can't comment on, I don't know enough about their domestic politics.
European elections are obviously the most likely place for Eurosceptic parties to do well, and even in those, no far right party came close to a majority of support in their own country, which would definitely be required to seize power.
Ape Gone Insane
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So they not only fucked the lives of 12 people by killing them, they've also fucked a lot of attitudes towards the millions of muslims living in these European countries.
And they're still on the loose? Hope they're caught before anyone else gets hurt.
And they're still on the loose? Hope they're caught before anyone else gets hurt.
I honestly believe that all these far-right and all other extremist Groups is more a vote of complaint rather then actually believing in the parties politics, and voters will take their responsibility if it ever get close.
Sweden, our "far-right" party Sverigedemokraterna recieved 13% in the latest election. I have a hard time believing there is almost one million racists/fascists in Sweden.
Sweden, our "far-right" party Sverigedemokraterna recieved 13% in the latest election. I have a hard time believing there is almost one million racists/fascists in Sweden.
Maninthemirror
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some people just need opportunities to judge and they will nomatter how much you educate them on a subject.
Human history would prove you false in extremely unlikely scenarios occurring. When change happens, it can take a long time, or come extremely quick (collapse of communism, things like Arab Spring). Golden Dawn has gained support, not lost it. It came third in the European elections in Greece just a few months ago I think. Plus, it went from Greece welcoming the world in 2004 with the Olympics, to basically having a large number of the the population threaten to drag Non-Greek babies from the hospital just 5 years later.
I don't see any fascist party seizing power. I see nationalist parties slowly gaining footholds in various countries. Attacks like this only embolden them and their cause. Who knows what happens in 20 years as European economic power continues to erode. I don't see another Hitler coming to power, or a V for Vendetta scenario, but I can easily see a scenario where certain religions are targeted, more control is given to the government, anti-immigration sentiment takes hold.
ComputerMKII
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Some guy on French TV is saying that the attacks were made by lone wolves, or at least a "lone team" because they were only 3 gunmen.
"Lone wolf" is a journalistic concept. The only lone wolf (self-indoctrination, self-bought equipment, self-planification) was Anders Breivik.
"Lone wolf" is a journalistic concept. The only lone wolf (self-indoctrination, self-bought equipment, self-planification) was Anders Breivik.
I can't get my head around people killing because their make believe friend was offended over nothing. It's literally insane.
That was the plan, I can assure you.
That was the plan, I can assure you.
malingenie
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Are there islamic leaders decrying this foul action as immoral and sinful? I need to see that happen, record it and remind myself and others of it. I have never been given evidence that Islamic leaders condemn these actions.
I don't see them attacking the empathy part, at least some of them.
Lone Wolf
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How does this religion define Innocent?
Blackquill
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By the way, how you know that the terrorists are radical muslims ? Their faces were covered...
CheDominik
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The protests are very local and they happen in the former GDR.
You know how many people showed up for their rally in Cologne? Maybe 50.
Don't different sects interpret the Quran and Hadith differently? Or are you claiming that there is only one true way to interpret the islamic canon and anything that interprets it differently is not Islam.
gutter_trash
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it's like this thread has been hijacked by lefties to complain about righties instead of talking about the terrorist action taken today
Griffevent
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Just saw Bernard Maris died during the attack too. 2015, officially a shit year.
I hope all european newspapers will do something like this tomorrow.
Because not all of them are racists or fascists. calling all of them last time didn't fucking worked. Do you know why? Because not all of them are that.
MistakenMobius
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Serbia is not in the European Union
Golden Dawn is the only truly fascist party
AfD and Front National are only socialist party with some "our national first" mentality, nowhere near a true fascist party.
They have few moneys, aren't represented much in the media and once they will be in power they will be some happy to get free meal that they won't create the 4th Reich or whatever you're fearing.
Fantastapotamus
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Do you need a passport if you travel within the United States?
Nah, Islam is one of the best things to happen in my life.
Though like anything else in life, moderation is ideal, otherwise you end up with radicals who've made Islam 100% of their identity.
Gormless Noodle
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I agree, they're more primed than ever to take power or at the very least, become large enough for other parties to not be able to circumvent them any longer.
Let's take Geert Wilders' party in the Netherlands for example, their presence is already pretty significant but something like this could definitely tip the scales in their favour.
Marauder Shields
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There is no one Islam. Everything is pick and choose.
By their actions or do you think that radical muslims have a special look on their faces?
Exactly. They would aim to harm France relation with the EU, not target the french islamic population.
(also, they're not coming into power)
You don't need the actions of the extremists to show that it is backwards and regressive.
I'm saying that the broadest base of the religion believes that killing innocent people is wrong.
Religion is often self-serving in this aspect. People choose to believe what they align with. If it doesn't suit them, they either try to get it changed to reflect them, or they leave.
What tactics?
Doc Holliday
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No, just a state ID.
I would argue with you and say that the goodness in Islam is the goodness that YOU have brought to islam, not the other way around.
Blackquill
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Oh yeah, I didn't mean this. What I'm trying to say is : is there a clear proof that these guys are muslims ?
That would be like having to show ID to go state-to-state in the US. Freedom of mobility between member nations is part of the whole idea of the EU, unless I'm mistaken.
After hearing half of my extended family coming out of the wood-works since the election to complain about "dark skinned people", the horrifying things that were done during the fall to beggars and the series of mosque fires just these last few weeks I'm not sure if one million is actually enough.
Always-honest
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Dreams-Visions
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Saw this from another cartoonist on twitter, David Pope.
damn.
Yep. Plus...
"Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse."
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MistakenMobius
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They said that they were part of Al Qaeda in Yemen, shouted "that they avaenged the prophet".
Charlie Hebdo is known to have ruffle feathers with the mahomet caricature.
Or are you one of those smart guys that suspects the Mossad?
Then you're being disengenuous because I'm talking about gender and sexual equality within islam when I made that particular point.
Islam doesn't need extremists to show that it is backwards.
Calling them that. Every journalist did that for four years and it didn't worked. Do you want to know why people voted for SD? because they are the only party that talks about immigration. All the other parties just shut it down by yelling "RACIST!!!!" It is dumb as all hell to give that importen political question to one party and they did.
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