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Terror attack kills 12 at Paris newspaper - 4 wounded, gunmen identified
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malingenie
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I know this will get lost in this kerfuffle, but I never said anything about accountability. I want to hear words of commiseration in these trying times. What I've been referring to as an apology doesn't mean "I shot those people in France".
ComputerMKII
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Charb was already under police protection. However, police protection is mainly about protecting someone when they go from point A to point B in a public area, not really when you're casually working in the office. Plus, what can one (or even two) officer(s) with a Sig-Sauer pistol do against three armored guys with AKs? Assuming the firepower is sufficient, you'd be paralyzed out of sheer surprise or shock.
There was nothing to be done, unfortunately.
Circle Jerk
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Maninthemirror has shown multiple times in this thread that actual facts dont matter to him. He has an opinion and the facts will bend to support it rather than using facts to form an opion.
Do you believe all the people who have committed murders in the name of Islam would have done the same without the (perceived) religious justification for it? That they would have been destined to be non-religion inspired mass shooters instead? I find that tough to believe.
Maninthemirror
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yes that is true. radicalists are one of the greatest evils. this is a great book which shows how modern radical islam came into being "Murder in the Name of Allah"
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/mna/index.html
Did you forgot about the shooting of three jewish kids in Toulouse in 2012?
no, there has been no successful terror attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_German_train_bombing_plot (2006) - (I think they were Lebanese, though)
http://www.thelocal.de/20140314/four-men-charged-over-bonn-bomb-attempt (2012)
The Lamonster
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ugh more Prophet Muhammad freaks
Didn't South Park or Family Guy depict him without consequence?
Didn't South Park or Family Guy depict him without consequence?
malingenie
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Because I want to make sure (mostly for my own sake) that it is known that I dont agree with the nuts. That I don't count them as one of my own. But it probably all comes down to my personality, I internalize everything.
Maninthemirror
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seeing that the evil acts are done equally by all faiths, non faiths and differences, yes.
Maninthemirror
Banned
thats seems to be a inferiority complex then more than right to condemn
Mysterious
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I don't see attacks on this scale from Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs combined, sorry.
I think murder is negotiable to a lot of folks.
Alx
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Nah they "just" raised the threat level to its max value, that means there will be more soldier patrols in the streets and public areas, bags will be checked at the entrance of shops, and parking your car will be forbidden near schools and other sensitive areas, but apart from that things should go on as usual.
That seems mathematically impossible. You just said there'd be a 1 to 1 ratio of the religious crazed fuelled shooter still becoming a shooter.
A lot of the shootings / attacks are driven by belief systems. Religion is one of the strongest belief systems on the planet.
peanutbutterlatte
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It's impossible to say but you're utterly naive if you see no correlation whatsoever. It is very doubtful that these paeticular men would have killed these same particular twelve people had they not spoofed a particular fictional figure.
SolidusDave
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One difference I can think of between the big religions is the acceptance of the Sharia in full or in parts in actual laws (personal and criminal) in quite a number of countries.
In my eyes, that's like giving religious extremists elsewhere official affirmation for their fucked up beliefs, even if all the other Muslims in their environment don't agree.
Actually I was wondering, are there any comments to such events of the countries that have laws in order to execute people simply for opposing Islam/God/religion?
In my eyes, that's like giving religious extremists elsewhere official affirmation for their fucked up beliefs, even if all the other Muslims in their environment don't agree.
Actually I was wondering, are there any comments to such events of the countries that have laws in order to execute people simply for opposing Islam/God/religion?
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So it just so happens that a lot of evil mother fuckers are attracted to Islam for whatever reason? And that they disproportionately decide to make their crimes religious in nature?
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
This is just blatant, willful ignorance. Wow.
n00bsauce87
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now there is a hashtag, #killallmuslims. Someone tried ethnic cleansing before and that didn't work. These people are failing to learn from history and letting short sidedness take over
malingenie
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There's a distinct possibility
mentallyinept
Banned
Ugh.
Fuck these people.
Capture them. Try them publicly. Don't give them the martyrdom they desire.
I don't even want to use the word "terrorist" anymore because it feels like it gives them the slightest bit of legitimacy.
Maybe i'll just start calling them cowards in everyday conversation:
"Cowards killed 12 people today in Paris."
That feels a bit better to me.
Fuck these people.
Capture them. Try them publicly. Don't give them the martyrdom they desire.
I don't even want to use the word "terrorist" anymore because it feels like it gives them the slightest bit of legitimacy.
Maybe i'll just start calling them cowards in everyday conversation:
"Cowards killed 12 people today in Paris."
That feels a bit better to me.
I'm having a hard time coming up with one act of terrorism done in the name of atheism.
Them being Muslim and seeing people they identify with suffering and facing religious persecution also has something to do with it as well. The cultural aspect and movements going along with the religion also impact the person's decision. Think of it as a trigger when they have the genes to kill and attack, the nature vs. nurture argument comes into play here pretty well imo.
It doesn't boil down to Islam = bad, or extremist Islam = bad (although any form of extremism is bad). It's much more complicated and I'm pretty sure that the racism and tension between French Muslims and Non-Muslim French people is just going to increase.
hobblygobbly
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Murder is negotiable for a subset of people in any group religious based or not.
RoadHazard
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Really? You hear about Christians or Jews or Buddhists or atheists slaughtering innocent people in the name of their belief/non-belief on a daily basis? Because I don't. With Islam I do.
Maninthemirror
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Myanmar, Sri Lanka, India, Palestine are just modern day examples. Religion drips with blood because majority of the people around the world are religious so its an excuse for them. As the world is becoming more and more non-religious, you see the so called religious attacks in groups but non-religious evil and attacks still persist and will. its human nature, not religion which needs a course correction
South Park did in an early episode but then they received death threats when they attempted to again. Even the word Muhammed was censored and the episode wasn't put on the UK dvds.
Just ignore the guy. He believes in a magical bearded guy in the sky, there is no room for logic.
No: that's an argument to antiquity.
No: that's an argumentum ad populum.
This is the best argument you have, but then, you can essentially afford caving to any demands of any kind on this basis. If someone says "Do X or we will kill people in your country," you must do X by this logic, whatever X is, because it can prevent a terrorist attack.
That specific law I cannot speak to. I was speaking generally about the differences between Holocaust denial and depictions of the prophet Mohammed. If your bone is specifically with that law, I cannot defend it (or attack it) as I know nothing about it.
BlazingDarkness
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Um.. okay.
Got any proof of this?
Where are all these massacres in the name of the Buddha?
Are you seriously blaming the police? The same police that were killed on the scene?
peanutbutterlatte
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We're not talking about any other group or motive though are we...
I feel like this stuff is always kind of under reported. If people just heard more often that so and so condemned these attacks etc. those asking for apologies might tone down.
Like I mean, I find it not completely unwarranted to expect some sort of condemnation, just like I feel those anti-PEGIDA protests are important to show that this doesn't represent Germany.
this is amazing. I have tears in my eyes. I really think of going to the demonstration place de la Republique happening right now :
Go do it, hell go now if you feel inclined. I joined as many protests as I could here in NYC with the time I had available. If you believe in it go show it.
You can't even be bothered to google for the numerous condemnations of this attack and previous attacks by Muslims and Islamic organizations. Nothing will satisfy you.
Ah, okay. I see I was mistaken when I first quoted you and expected a reasonable debate.
peanutbutterlatte
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If you don't get that every single person's interpretation of a religion is mostly different, that's your bad.
entremet
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That was in America. Europe has a bigger problem with militant Islam. Europe and Islam in general is a much different beast politically than in the US.
BaronLundi
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The spontaneous and worldwide reaction is awe inspiring.
London
Vienna
Lyon
Rennes
Montreal - Radio Canada
AFP
Frankfurt
Israel
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London
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Montreal - Radio Canada
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Miles Quaritch
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Just to add, there was apparently a poll recently where one in eight Germans said they would join a PEGIDA protest if one were to be organised near them...
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I love it. Can't wait to see more.
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