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Terror attack kills 12 at Paris newspaper - 4 wounded, gunmen identified
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Maninthemirror
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Pol Pot didnt kill 2 million in a few years due to religion did he?
Did Stalinism kill 6 million due to religion?
300,000 Burundis were killed due to ethnicity between 1993 and 2005
270,000 Bangladeshis were killed due to politics during its separation
300,000 Killed in Sierra Leon Civil War atrocities
300,000 Killed in Darfur in ethnic cleansing since 2003
500,000 Ugandans were killed in Ethnic cleansing in 71-73
Up to 1 Million Rwandans were killed due to Ethnic cleansing in 1994
Maoist regime killed more than 30 million over his rise in China.
Don't tell me these deaths are due to religion. Stop the BS that its only religion that kills. its bigotry or ignorance. pick one
So when a Wahhabi terrorist from Egypt does something, the faith of a Sufi from India is responsible for it?
How the heck can you say 'Extremist Islam' is an abstract creation? A faith held by more than a billion people has a hell of a lot of variation within it. I find it absurd that appealing for specificity and precision in an argument is seen as irrational.
gutter_trash
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South Park did without complaints prior to the Dansish cartoons without complaints from the Super Friends episode
but post Danish cartoons; South Park received threats even when they depicted Mohamed inside a bear costume.
Corronchilejano
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That's uncalled for.
ComputerMKII
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Apparently, 3000 policemen are on the case. It's gonna be really hard to fall through the cracks. That's the equivalent of 5 stars in GTA.
Not to make you more teary-eyed but here's a recent picture from in front of the French embassy in Berlin:
800 people reportedly came to the embassy tonight. Lots of love and solidarity from Germany. <3
Not related to security, but Hollande just decreed a national mourning day tomorrow, meaning all administrations will be closed.
Also, just saw the grand-daughter of Wolinski (one of the victims) on television. She is attending the current manifestation in Paris, saying that even though her family is currently mourning her grand-father she felt important to show her support to the manifestation, and insisted how important the press is. She wasn't crying, and she looked quite resolved and strong. It's probably the most touching reaction I've seen today.
malingenie
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Already addressed this pages ago. I don't care much for the tone I get from people today. We are all going through an emotional time, If I offended you or anyone it was not my intent but I try not to attack individual posters and you could try to treat me the same.
Polls on things "people would do if..." are garbage. There were PEIGDA protests organised outside Dresden, e.g., in Cologne. 800 showed up. Cologne has 1,000,000 inhabitants. So reality shows polls are bullshit.
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ComputerMKII
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The spontaneous and worldwide reaction is awe inspiring.
London
Vienna
Lyon
Rennes
Montreal - Radio Canada
AFP
Frankfurt
Israel
Tagesspiel
That's really heartwarming. Thanks to all those countries!
Maninthemirror
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Apparently people think only religion is the basis of evil acts in society
Lol it will go unnoticed even though
this is in the TOS.
Now for people to tell me to stop back seat moderating or something.
Is it? Two people with substantially different systems of justifying beliefs cannot discuss matters productively because they will not agree on what constitutes evidence or justification.
BravesCountry
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No one said religion is the only basis. strawman much?
WowThe spontaneous and worldwide reaction is awe inspiring.
London
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Dominican Power
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Who said I'm blaming the police?
maquiladora
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I really doubt that are even still in Paris. 3000 police are no use if you don't know the identity of who you are looking for.
ComputerMKII
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Fuck, I was actually born there.
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No, just that one religion in particular seems to attract a lot of evil these days. Just to be clear, this is not to be taken as a defense of other religions.
Miles Quaritch
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The poll is the poll and the result is the result. The reality might indeed be different (it often is), but people often use poll results to paint a picture or to add to a narrative, so I don't see why we should selectively use polls if they are from reliable sources.
If you read that as an attack, that says more about you than me. My post was a literal description of your unwillingness to go to a search engine and search for condemnations of today's attack by Muslims, which are numerous and easily found. I would hope this would engender some self-examination on your part, but apparently not.
Zen Buddhism was used to justify Japanese military aggression including things like kamikaze attacks during World War II.
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Brian-Victoria/3973
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_at_War
BlazingDarkness
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Are those in the name of the Buddha?
Is anybody saying this, though?
Maninthemirror
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Reading the thread you would know the blame is the religion itself rather than the men, the argument being the religion itself tells these men to commit evil and the argument being if men were not religious, evil acts wouldnt occur
Oh, it's you again! Jesus, we all know you don't really believe that.
What's next? These terrorists just want to go home and don't believe the agenda of their leaders like you said in the ISIS attack?
No, but saying that it isn't one of them is just plain ignorant. People can be evil, but if they have the help of a god to offload their responsibility for performing certain actions, it allows them to break down some mental barriers that could* otherwise override their bloodlust.
e.g.,
"Murder is bad."
"But God said I have to do it."
"Well, I guess this instance of murder is ok then."
*as in, people can just be evil on their own. Not arguing that.
Circle Jerk
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You literally posted they should have protected people better. How is that not blaming the police? What is even your point? The cops that got shot and killed should have done more? Or are you just on the fuck all cops tip right now and cant understand time, place, and tact?
Ninja Of Chaos
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How is it not an abstract creation? If I can derive both "kill" and "don't kill" from the same set of rules, one of them being "extremist" is a superfluous description. They are equivalent positions to be had if you take the totality of islamic texts as set rules. Now of course that makes the texts and philosophy completely useless (proving both a point and its negation makes the set of rules meaningless), but that is a whole other thing.
ThaneKrios
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ramuh
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How many "nuts" does Islam have? Or any other religion that is used to violently attack anyone outside of that relgion/sect.
But in the end what can you do to prevent these Terrorist atrocities from happening? This attack sounds like a homegrown terrorist act which IMO is even worse. There will probably be a backlash against Muslims for this.
malingenie
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I said earlier that that's exactly what i'm doing. And I'm sharing them with my friends. People can learn to be better if you treat them with courtesy and respect.
Thank god the Christian Broadcast Network is here to tell us how bad Islam is!
Yeah you know that has nothing to do with context of what is going on in the world currently. It has nothing to do with the rising tensions between west and Muslims and the effects of what happened in the past half century or so.
It was just written in the Quran that after 1400 years to start massacring people including other Muslims.
For fucks sake, it seems everyone is missing the point.
SentryDown
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Here in France, those cartoonists are legends, this is so sad, I hope these bastards will be caught soon. I've never seen my people like this, hundreds of people standing in silence or singing our national anthem, this is so powerful.
"There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the mind. In the long run the sword will always be conquered by the mind."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pen_is_mightier_than_the_sword
- Napoleon Bonaparte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pen_is_mightier_than_the_sword
No. But some religious group do create conditions to foster that kind of extreme behaviour.
It happens with Islam, it happens with Buddhism, it happens to virtually all religions.
Why should we not point out that fact?
Just because the large majority of the people whom practice said religion does not behave the same way, we can not deny or ignore that religion is, yes, the basic reason behind that and other attacks.
And at the same time one in eight isn't even close to the percentage in Dresden - 18.000 with a population of 530.000 in Dresden alone.
The march in Cologne (4th biggest city in Germany) is said to be the last - 250 people showed up (out of a pop of over > 1 mill.).
well, in every other city in which they tried to organize a protest that is not Dresden they failed completely, to my knowledge. But to be fair, there was a pretty large violent anti-Islamic protest organized by hooligans and right-wing organizations in Cologne before the whole Pegida thing took off
peanutbutterlatte
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All you've done is outline that people murder for lots of reasons. You've proved nothing
Maninthemirror
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yes the minority of 1.6 billion is a lot of evil but the majority of 1.6 not being evil is insignificant. did I get that right? You have 1.6 Billion most go about their daily lives, Christians and Jews are not as devout as Muslims nowadays as they fall away from religion and go into casual worship, the only reason the number from 1.6 is showcased is because what you hear and see from the media creating the boogeyman but that is secondary, the primary reason being of the 1.6 billion who are practicing, the minority practicing are radicalists borne out of no reformations and clerics influencing them who rise out of supressed regimes
The perfect Dark
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The spontaneous and worldwide reaction is awe inspiring.
London
Vienna
Lyon
Rennes
Montreal - Radio Canada
AFP
Frankfurt
Israel
Tagesspiel
This is the right reaction right here. Terrorists killed 12 innocent people and they achieved nothing. We stick together.
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