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Terror attack kills 12 at Paris newspaper - 4 wounded, gunmen identified
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Wait... are you trying to say that this whole "death to infidels" thing is relatively new for Islam?
Because "reliable" only means the results are statistically sound, not that they are based on stupid and/or biased questions. One poll reported once 20% of Germans "could think of" voting for right-wing AfD. In the end, they didn't even make the 5% threshold needed to get into parliament. Polls like this contain zero useful information.
yeah, to see so many people in a place that tends to be progressive like gaf buying into "clash of cultures" horseshit is very disheartening.
yeah, there is more terrorism perpetrated by muslims right now than by christians. Y'all think the last 100 years might have something to do with that perhaps?
RustyNails
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France should bring back guillotine just for these murderers.
King Tubby
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I don't see what your point is. Nobody has made the ridiculous argument that religion is the source of all pain or conflict.
video seems the stuff right wing groups salivate over.
Europe should wake up to what?
fierrotlepou
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Agreed.
Not by the defintion of extremist as being someone who takes extreme actions. But fine, if you have a semantic issue with 'extremist' than don't use it. But the basic point remains that a Sufi or a Shia or Ahmadi or etc. shouldn't be painted with the same brush due to the actions of some Wahhabi/Salafi. But that's exactly what happens when people refuse to be precise at all when speaking about 'Islam'.
Their threads getting locked because of how dimwitted and anti-muslim they are. And how scared they are to reply to anything oustide of drive by posting.
From what?
Maninthemirror
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So are you saying they are following their faith or distorting their faith, your answer will tell your view of islam itself.
That would be to easy. They should rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
The perfect Dark
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to fight fire with fire?
CheDominik
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I happen to live right across the train station and unless 200 were hiding inside, even that miniscule number is too high.
It's just a fad that gives some frustrated chumps a way to express their general anger(I love the german term Wutbürger) just like the Hartz IV marches.
BlazingDarkness
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This is a rather weak publication to use in support of your point. Japanese nationalism leading to WWII is responsible for military aggression, not Zen Buddhism, your point is pretty narrow.
dripdripsplash
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Time to shut the fuck up ThaneKrios.
You Are Viewtiful
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LOL did you change your avatar?
I love the one with the pens.
No they should put them in prison cells with walls plastered floor to ceiling with these cartoons.
Maninthemirror
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I think I need some clarification, because I don't see how the whole clash of cultures thing is horseshit at all. It's manifesting right before our eyes in the present.
new avatar, same drivel.
stufte
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People do evil things for all sorts of reasons, and a persons religion is one of them, whether you like it or not. Would the Jonestown residents have all killed themselves without their religion? Maybe, but it's highly doubtful.
RustyNails
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They deserve nothing short of end to their lives. But fight fire with a judicial process to find them guilty, charge them with murder and execute them.
The very last thing France should do is abandon any of its (civil/moral) values.
One side of ego is now battling another. One side takes images too seriously, so they kill journalists drawing their favorite O.G., and now you have people who have an image that all people of that theology are all murdering warriors.
Sure, radical Islam is probably the most profound example today of crazies being crazy, but what does doing something like this really accomplish? You attempt to control people with one's own ego: one's own image on what should or ought to be, with violence. The problem with that is unless you're beguiled and conditioned into the falsehoods of these extremists, their actions look nothing more than an affront, like some kind of shit brained anger. They do very little in convincing people to their ideals unless they have poor critical thinking skills or who have already drunk the kool-aid. It's sad.
There are no such thing and good and evil, objectively. The issue here is actions that don't match the humanity we tend to know of science, of the world as it is, instead of the conjured up human game. While what you say has some truth - it takes wonky conditioning to make someone commit an illogical action onto the world and particularly people, and this can involve no religion at all to do - religion is the central pillar that does this the most often. I would hope you understand that. It is specifically religion that commits the most accounts of this falsehood of human conditioning. You can find weird, illogical dogmas even in secular societies, like with one's attitude towards money, but it is specifically religion that promotes the idea that most people are born on probation, that they have to prove themselves, and in failing to do this, they're somehow a "less than" and not "worthy". That's one of the core problems in the image of theology, and today's actions only remind me of the great words of Jiddu Krishnamurti, which greatly highlight the problem a lot more to me.
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”
Furthermore, Zen Buddhism is nothing more than philosophy, not a religion. It has no dogma, only techniques to break the illusion of ego. Or at least that's my understanding and playing with it.
When people actually bother to ask muslim terrorists what their reasons are for attacking the west, the answer usually isn't "cuz allah" either.
You've listed a lot of horrible acts that occurred due to tribal and ethnic frictions, but essentially I would consider tribalism to be as equally pernicious as religion, or ideologies which are as aggressively prosecuted as Stalin's particular brand of communism. They're all the same thing - people killing over cultural identities and ideas.
In Western Europe, the United States and elsewhere - the idea of doing that is completely alien. And please, don't point out the Iraq war or something as a counter argument - I count myself among the tens of millions against that profiteering adventure from the very beginning.
The point is: cultural revolutions happened on our shores hundreds of years ago and we rose above this. Conflict became pertinent for existential reasons, for the preservation of power or the projection of it. Every major advance in the moral and ethical codes of Western culture has been to the furtherance of personal liberty. I pointed out examples earlier: the Western Schism, the French Revolution, the Napoleonic Code, the Atlantic Charter, countless more! It is only backwards ideologies and religious extremists that seek to regress us.
We have the occasional Brevik or Unabomber but you have to be culturally tone deaf and some kind of history revisionist to suggest that more recent atrocities in Western countries have not all borne similar motivation. This is a problem, and people denying it are part of the problem.
The symbolism of the pen in the protests in London is beautiful btw.
I don't know how you can even address this problem. People say education and prosperity, but these are people already living in France. The seem unable to accept the modern liberal world.
I'm not really a fan of increased surveillance and domestic spying on people but I really am at a loss for what else you can do.
I'm not really a fan of increased surveillance and domestic spying on people but I really am at a loss for what else you can do.
GameGuru59
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The spontaneous and worldwide reaction is awe inspiring.
London
Vienna
Lyon
Rennes
Montreal - Radio Canada
AFP
Frankfurt
Israel
Tagesspiel
Has Europe ever united around one event like this before? This is amazing!
Maninthemirror
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as I asked the other poster. do you think the attackers today were "following their faith" or "distorting their faith". one choice
That's literally the last thing we need to do.
Ninja Of Chaos
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You arrive at the same problem with all of the above as the one with "extremism". Superfluous descriptions. Islam is an incomplete and inconsistent philosophy and therefore all its interpretations are equal.
Corronchilejano
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Star Wars came back, why can't the guillotine?
Maninthemirror
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thats not what Quran says. it says clearly only those will commit acts of evil using religion who are evil. should i qoute that verse again?
Miles Quaritch
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And yet people are still using the polls conducted in ME countries to try and paint a picture that more Muslims than we'd like to believe are extremist or have the potential to be extremists.
If we're to go down the path of saying that polls don't contain any useful information, then surely those poll are just as useless as this one due to the fact that the majority of Muslims aren't engaged in extremist actions, even though the poll might suggest otherwise.
Ninja Of Chaos
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And someone else can quote a verse that says the opposite. AKA, my point.
Powerfull pictures, reminds me of the flower march in norway after the mass murders.
In their opinion, they were following their faith.
Islamic schools which promote this extremist ideology should be monitored or banned. We need to find a way to assimilate these people into the local culture as well.
You can do nothing to guarantee absolute security. Terrorist attacks of such kind, performed by very few with (regular) weapons, will not be quelled by increased surveillance and spying.
Maninthemirror
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Read the Quran. if you did I wouldnt want to embarrass you if you try and post a verse trying to prove your point.
Miles Quaritch
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I'm honestly surprised you're not banned after that grossly misleading thread of yours where the intention behind your posting it was as clear as day.
GalacticSushiman
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Thank you for trying to bring a bit of perspective. I am appalled by the reactions in this thread...
gutter_trash
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That's not what I said. Read my first sentence.
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