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[User 463088]

Hillary with those subtle reminders that Bernie's not a Democrat. She's so much better at this than she was in 2008.

 

[Verano]

I thought Hillary was a true progressive.

depends on what mask she uses next

 

[UnemployedVillain]

I like what Bernie says, but my main issue and why I think Hillary is a better choice is her answers and plans are more practical and realistic versus Sanders which seem simply idealistic. He seems to believe he can convince Congresss to do things that a much less liberal, yet equally charismatic President (Obama) couldn't even remotely do. I'm worried what will happen if he's elected, and gets blocked at every turn. I'd rather a candidate that has anticipated that versus one who seems to ignore that very likely possibility

 

[Vire]

"The revolution never came, and I waited, and I have the scars to prove it" is probably the most politically potent line she's given tonight. Its the basis of her candidacy as a pragmatic moderate, her answer to her own history and Sanders in one short sentence.

You know she had that shit in her back pocket.

 

[Emarv]

Dickerson keeps nailing these O'Malley commercial shutdowns.

Please get him for one of the Presidential Debates.

 

[Ape]

idk why but I dont like it when Hillary laughs

 

[eBay Huckster]

So a lot of Bernie's platform and what he hopes to achieve requires "the people to stand up and start the revolution". How will he or anyone be able to realistically to that?

Obviously, this is where his gun control differences come in: he'll announce that he's giving full-automatic rifles to his supporters and the revolution starts tomorrow.

 

[Bronx-Man]

You're getting trolled.

I really, really hope I am.

 

[Jenov]

Hilldawg had an amazing dig at Sanders there, ouch.

 

[Matugi]

I thought Hillary was a true progressive.

no no no, she's a progressive that gets things done

 

[eyeball_kid]

"the machine breaks down..."

lol, trying to be funny.

plot twist, he was talking about the political money machine

 

[Elfforkusu]

Hillary with those subtle reminders that Bernie's not a Democrat. She's so much better at this than she was in 2008.

The people who care about this are already pro-Hillary though.

 

[Aaronology]

"The revolution never came, and I waited, and I have the scars to prove it" is probably the most politically potent line she's given tonight. Its the basis of her candidacy as a pragmatic moderate, her answer to her own history and Sanders in one short sentence.

This. Probably my favorite statement from her tonight.

 

[SliChillax]

I'm just following this for Tump's tweets, they're hilariously bad.

 

[UraMallas]

"The revolution never came, and I waited, and I have the scars to prove it" is probably the most politically potent line she's given tonight. Its the basis of her candidacy as a pragmatic moderate, her answer to her own history and Sanders in one short sentence.

Channeling Hunter S Thompson will move the needle only so far with me.

 

[Africanus]

"I'm sorry, we've got to take a break or the machine breaks down"


I don't think the moderator realized how potent of a statement that was

The political machine, funded by the capital of companies.

 

[FiggyCal]

"I'm sorry, we've got to take a break or the machine breaks down"


I don't think the moderator realized how potent of a statement that was

I'm pretty sure he was talking about capitalism. But I'm not a good guesser.

 

[amnesiac]

I'm getting tired of Bernie's "the people need to stand up" and statistics arguments. Hillary is looking much stronger, IMO. O'Malley is doing really well also.

 

[Emarv]

"I'm sorry, we've got to take a break or the machine breaks down"


I don't think the moderator realized how potent of a statement that was

he totally did. that was his joke. Dickerson's the best

 

[params7]

The same reason why they don't get food stamps or a welfare check.

This is joking right?

good joke lol

 

[JustenP88]

This. Probably my favorite statement from her tonight.

Christ, you people are depressing.

 

[legacyzero]

This is a Sanders/OMalley vs Clinton handicap match.

Both going in

 

[Tesseract]

So a lot of Bernie's platform and what he hopes to achieve requires "the people to stand up and start the revolution". How will he or anyone be able to realistically to that?

there's this thing called the internet

 

[TraBuch]

Damn, Clinton busted out the Blue Eyes White Dragon on that one.

Bernie's almost got Exodia ready.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Clinton is doing well in the 2nd half. First half was slow and strange.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Hillary with those subtle reminders that Bernie's not a Democrat. She's so much better at this than she was in 2008.

She's in a weaker position on foreign policy tho...Give or take.

 

[crisdecuba]

The debate system where if you get attacked, you get to speak, is good, but it really shuts out the less high-polling candidates for large blocks of time...

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Am I supposed to not want to pay for Trump's kids' education because Trump is rich? That's just not how it works.

 

[User 463088]

The people who care about this are already pro-Hillary though.

To a certain point, yes. It's also a way to point out how Sander's hasn't been a true supporter of Obama. He called for him to be primaried in 2012, for instance.

 

[Aaronology]

idk why but I dont like it when Hillary laughs

She absolutely has my vote but I also cringe hard when she laughs. It isn't a nice sound and it comes off as fake as people like to portray her as.

 

[Veritigo_X]

What, I found that description appropriate. Hillary has more stances than Nariko.

You can use it if you want. Just expect eye rolls when you decide to start having a serious discussions. Most people try to be more mature about this.

 

[bounchfx]

It was straight up bullshit, though...

pretty much the biggest problem with politics in general
i could go up on stage telling everyone there that al queda is back and managing taco bells across pennsylvania and it would take weeks if not months to properly educate people on the truth and undo the damage. lies are really fucking powerful and destructive on grand scales because the chances are people are going to blindly believe what people say until they see it disproved, but the chances of them learning the truth will be slim and by that time they may refuse to change their minds

im rambling

 

[params7]

CBS need to stop featuring Trump tweets.

http://i.imgur.com/uwmKqEu.png

 

[kirblar]

Vox: How Single Payer Health Care Fell Apart in Vermont

It was Friday, December 12, when Robin Lunge began worrying that Vermont's single-payer plan was doomed.

Lunge, Gov. Peter Shumlin's director of health reform, had spent weeks trying to make the math work for a public health insurance plan that would cover all Vermonters. Since Thanksgiving, she had been sending numbers off to M.I.T. economist Jonathan Gruber (yes, that Jonathan Gruber) and Wakely Consulting, an actuarial firm.

The models Gruber was running were meant to project the cost of Vermont's plan under different scenarios. What if the health plan covered 80 percent of the typical Vermonter's health care costs? What about 94 percent? But as the numbers got more concrete — as they closed in on the plan the governor actually wanted — the financial foundation began to crack. Lunge knew by that Friday that the single-payer system Vermont wanted to build would require about $2.5 billion in additional revenue in its first year.

In Vermont, this is massive: the state only raises $2.7 billion in taxes a year for every program it funds. Early estimates said that Vermont's single-payer plan might need $1.6 billion in additional funds — a huge lift. But $2.5 billion was impossible.

It cost too much.

 

[Matugi]

Christ, you people are depressing.

the issue of celebrity politics

 

[GetLucky]

Christ, you people are depressing.

You don't have to read the thread....

 

[Sianos]

"The revolution never came, and I waited, and I have the scars to prove it" is probably the most politically potent line she's given tonight. Its the basis of her candidacy as a pragmatic moderate, her answer to her own history and Sanders in one short sentence.

Yeah, that really encapsulates her persona as a candidate and at least personally is a strong motivator - the revolution hasn't come, and it won't just come: we must be the ones to set it in motion ourselves

 

[RELIGHT]

I like what Bernie says, but my main issue and why I think Hillary is a better choice is her answers and plans are more practical and realistic versus Sanders which seem simply idealistic. He seems to believe he can convince Congresss to do things that a much less liberal, yet equally charismatic President (Obama) couldn't even remotely do. I'm worried what will happen if he's elected, and gets blocked at every turn. I'd rather a candidate that has anticipated that versus one who seems to ignore that very likely possibility

So essentially the candidate that won't challenge the status quo at all and essentially concede instead of fighting?

I'll go with Bernie since at minimum he'd try.

 

[ElectricThunder]

Yes Hillary, you really waited an enormous amount of time for revolution as opposed to currying with the already risen and higher ladders still that most will never even glimpse still as soon as you manged to get up the ladder and tuck it up behind you...oh wait...

 

[Bronx-Man]

Channeling Hunter S Thompson will move the needle only so far with me.

Speak for yourself, I'd be the first one in the booth if Hunter was running for prez.

 

[kingkitty]

Hillary dont say benghazi

 

[XenodudeX]

there's this thing called the internet

The internet has been around for decades, when is this revolution going to start already?

 

[Hazmat]

This is joking right?

good joke lol

Not at all. If we have money to subsidize only some college educations, why not spend it on the people who can't otherwise afford it?

 

[Jenov]

I like what Bernie says, but my main issue and why I think Hillary is a better choice is her answers and plans are more practical and realistic versus Sanders which seem simply idealistic. He seems to believe he can convince Congresss to do things that a much less liberal, yet equally charismatic President (Obama) couldn't even remotely do. I'm worried what will happen if he's elected, and gets blocked at every turn. I'd rather a candidate that has anticipated that versus one who seems to ignore that very likely possibility

That's how I see it as well. I love Bernie's enthusiasm and ideals, but I'm not convinced he'll get any of it to go through, congress just won't shift that far that fast. Clinton comes across as much more reasonable in her approach, and very experienced with how the system works and gets things done. All of her answers come across as very practical and realistic. She holds herself well. If anything, it's great that Bernie is helping to push the entire conversation more left.

 

[FiggyCal]

The same reason why they don't get food stamps or a welfare check.

Not sure if that's necessarily the same thing, considering that we need to eat to survive. But we don't really have to go to college.

 

[DietRob]

I appreciate some of the ideas that Sanders is putting forward but it is quite obvious that it is an absolute idealist campaign without any concrete plans on how to get it these things accomplished.

Him not knowing how much he would tax these wealthiest americans he keeps mentioning does not inspire much confidence. Isn't the income inequality a tent pole of his entire campaign? Shouldn't he know how he is going to try to accomplish that? The obstructionism in Congress now is absolutely nothing compared to what he would face if elected. What is his strategy on combating this?

(I'm about an hour behind right now so maybe some of my questions will be answered.)

 

[Elfforkusu]

Hillary dont say benghazi

Bin Laden. Easy political choice.

 

[Rlan]

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/

Nope, just goes to a "The page cannot be found" page outside of America.

 

[Angelus Errare]

"The Spin Room" is like the worst name ever.

Bernie's almost got Exodia ready.

Let's hope.

 

[Big Baybee]

Vox: How Single Payer Health Care Fell Apart in Vermont

It cost too much.

For Vermont, sure. What about the country as a whole?