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[Fbh]

Does AC usually sell well in Japan?
At this point they should basically give up on this being a hit over there. Besides Sucker Punch already beat them to the punch with a game Japanse gamers actually enjoyed. And they have a sequel coming out this year too.

This is how I thought it was originally going to be, since historical figures were always NPCs or the like in this series.

For the first time in the mainline franchise they had to make a historical figure the main character for it to make sense in the context of the game.
But people defending this game continue to feign ignorance and pretend like they don't understand what makes Yasuke different from previous protagonists.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Controversy aside, the gameplay looks fucking amazing. I can't wait for this

I wouldn't call it amazing but it looks good. If they remove Yasuke I will not be supporting this game.

They have a chance to do something different but if they fold to fake outrage online that is just very sad.

 

[Woopah]

I don't think it is possible for a company like Ubisoft to do that, because, as they proudly state, they center this agenda in their work.

So if a different company made a non-political video game about Yasuke, what would be the differences between that and what Ubisoft is doing?

 

[diffusionx]

So if a different company made a non-political video game about Yasuke, what would be the differences between that and what Ubisoft is doing?

I don't know dude, all I know is what Ubisoft says and they say they are all-in on this political agenda.

I am taking them at their word while you simp for them and claim that they are not saying what they are saying.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Despite the mountain of evidence, simps will continue to claim there is nothing political and there was no agenda behind Ubisoft's decisions with this game.

Dude just stop, your not making any sense.

So how would you make a video game with Yasuke in a non political way.

Exactly it makes zero sense, if a diverse character is in a video game the game gets a "agenda/dei" label automatically now.

 

[diffusionx]

Dude just stop, your not making any sense.

Exactly it makes zero sense, if a diverse character is in a video game the game gets a "agenda/dei" label automatically now.

yea it's not like Ubisoft says that DEI is at the heart of everything they do.

Oh wait they do say that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

yea it's not like Ubisoft says that DEI is at the heart of everything they do.

Oh wait they do say that.

And they feel so good about themselves with all that toxic positivity and back pats while eating pastries before they go to bed.

 

[BlackTron]

Next patch: "a warrior worth a thousand Japanese men"

"Black samurai warrior worth a thousand Japanese men"

 

[BennyBlanco]

This is gonna be such a flop. There’s nothing they can do at this point.

 

[StereoVsn]

Have a character creator for the player character. Have a nice side quest where Yasuke can accompany you. Done.

Or have DLC focused on Yosuke. Could even do standalone DLC similar to how they did it with AC3. But that would make too much sense for modern Ubisoft.

 

[pudel]

This is gonna be such a flop. There’s nothing they can do at this point.

Not sure if so many people even follow this Ubi clown story so closely. AssCreed is still a big mainstream name.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

if a diverse character is in a video game the game gets a "agenda/dei" label automatically now.

Like these ones, you mean?

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Like these ones, you mean?

Yup, if this game was released now it would get the "political agenda" label.

 

[Woopah]

I don't know dude, all I know is what Ubisoft says and they say they are all-in on this political agenda.

I am taking them at their word while you simp for them and claim that they are not saying what they are saying.

I believe what they are saying, I'm trying to understand why it matters.

Ubisoft has an agenda to make games about a variety of different people. So they want to feature Yasuke in one of their works.

Why does that matter when Yasuke has featured in several other games/movies/books etc.?

 

[yogaflame]

It shouid be all country. But what will he be is title now? A mercenary? Pirate? Soldier?

 

[diffusionx]

I believe what they are saying, I'm trying to understand why it matters.

Ubisoft has an agenda to make games about a variety of different people. So they want to feature Yasuke in one of their works.

Why does that matter when Yasuke has featured in several other games/movies/books etc.?

Rushing in to put this guy in the game and feature the FIRST BLACK CHARACTER (not really) has caused them so many problems and headaches they didn't need considering their other problems.

Assassin's Creed Shadows Development Troubles Detailed in New Report

A newly emerged report from a credible industry insider offers some additional insights into the Assassin's Creed Shadows development troubles.

gamerant.com

Yup, if this game was released now it would get the "political agenda" label.

Well, yea, because the game industry is far different now, and much more political, and much more agenda-driven, than it was when those games came out. GamerGate changed a lot of things. I don't understand why so many people just want to ignore this. Well, I do understand, it's ugly and it sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[Zacfoldor]

"Black samurai warrior worth a thousand Japanese men"

This, lol.

Why not just have a character creator?

I don't buy most Ubisoft games, so I don't have a say, but if this flops hard, it won't be a mystery as to why. Look what happened to Outlaws. They will never learn, honestly. Another RIV.

 

[Bernardougf]

Dont know why but I lol'ed hard at this

 

[FeralEcho]

Dude just stop, your not making any sense.

Exactly it makes zero sense, if a diverse character is in a video game the game gets a "agenda/dei" label automatically now.

It's a product of the times and these companies only have themselves to blame.

Years and years of constantly trying this shit on consumers has worn everyone out,apathy and distrust is setting in for people because of how these company have taken us for fools with their forced messaging so they just reap what they sew years ago. If they had been genuine about their character stories no one would've said shit as no one has said shit about genuine stories of dark skinned characters in games for decades but here every single diversity decision this generation has had, has been fueled by social motives more than story reasons and the veil is off.

Writters have been time and time again ousted to trying to push their own political or social views on consumers because they can't seem to be able to shut the fuck up about it on twitter and the like and we are sick and tired of their shit.

It'll take years till they win back consumer trust,so if you want to complain at someone for this sentiment alot of people have towards certain games then these companies and their rush for "good boy points" on social media are the ones to talk to.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Damn, I might need to shell out for the collector's edition of this thing. With so much controversy, and the looming threat of it being THE game that killed Ubisoft at birth, I fear it may become a valuable artifact in time, in a Limbo of the Lost kind of way.

 

[Woopah]

Rushing in to put this guy in the game and feature the FIRST BLACK CHARACTER (not really) has caused them so many problems and headaches they didn't need considering their other problems.

Assassin's Creed Shadows Development Troubles Detailed in New Report

A newly emerged report from a credible industry insider offers some additional insights into the Assassin's Creed Shadows development troubles.

gamerant.com

Well, yea, because the game industry is far different now, and much more political, and much more agenda-driven, than it was when those games came out. GamerGate changed a lot of things. I don't understand why so many people just want to ignore this. Well, I do understand, it's ugly and it sucks, but it is what it is.

If they are taking the time to make the story right then I'd say that's a good thing.

Ultimately, my argument is that we should be as fine with stories about a black man in Japan as we are with stories about a white man in Japan.

 

[Saber]

Worst thing is that some fans of this game are like "Asscreed was never about hystorical accuracy", but Ubicrap continues to break their modicrum of argument everytime.
Can't wait when their fans get tired of defending this crap.

 

[od-chan]

Yup, if this game was released now it would get the "political agenda" label.

Maybe rightfully so. This game was already a huge departure from what made the previous AC games work well - densly crowded cities with a plot strongly revolving around local brotherhood of assassins or their lineage or something; and now went instead to some drama about some native american kid going rambo on the english or something? I don't remember the details, but it was bullshit and it sucked big time, arguably because they wanted to shoehorn this narrative into a game which didn't fit it at all, which by all accounts I'd call development driven by a political and not a gamedesign orienteded approach.

I was genuienly shocked back then how much that game sucked, especially since I still liked Revelations a lot. Constantinople was beautiful, how they fucked this up is beyond me. All I remember is running around in jungles (or was that black flag?) and fighting The English on beaches or swamps and shit. It sucked so badly.

 

[Larxia]

Yup, if this game was released now it would get the "political agenda" label.

That's probably true, but you can also try thinking about why that is.

Things changed since then. If people easily tag things of "woke", it's just the result of an industry (or a world really, because it's multiples industries) pushing too much on the whole diversity / agenda thing for years.
They insisted too much on this, to the point that now, it doesn't even feel natural anymore when you start seeing any kind of diversity in a media, you just end up wondering if it was done for DEI or not. It's hard to not think about it, because for years, it's been done artificially and now it's hard to know what's genuine diversity or not.

These industries and people doing this DEI push actually DESTROYED diversity and representation, it only had a negative effect on the long term.

 

[Fake]

So, he is only a samurai outside Japan?

Is that made sense?

LMAO.

Man, that wikipedia page of Yasuke will be so fucking hilarious OMG. I can't fucking wait.

 

[BaneIsPain]

The day ubisoft go under I’ll celebrate this poster child of mess.

 

[Bernardougf]

Dude just stop, your not making any sense.

Exactly it makes zero sense, if a diverse character is in a video game the game gets a "agenda/dei" label automatically now.

You really think that while brain storming for their next samurai assassins creed game, some dev just went "you know.. there is that awsome story about Yasuke that everybody obviously knows about it.. we should tell it because is legendary"

Or.... they actively searched for a diverse historical person they could use and at the same time didnt want people to think they are creating a black character out of nowhere because they just wanted a diverse lead for this game.....

Why they wanted a diverse lead so bad ? .. welp..

In the end is so pathetic obviously what they are doing... is cringe to try and dismiss as just coincidence.

 

[newtypepilot]

people shouldn't focus on Yasuke. It's just the tip of the iceberg. There are way more egregious errors when it comes to accuracy of portrayal of Japan during the sengoku period.

 

[Hudo]

Or have DLC focused on Yosuke. Could even do standalone DLC similar to how they did it with AC3. But that would make too much sense for modern Ubisoft.

I like that

 

[MMaRsu]

According to Reeee this is all due to the chuds and the right wingers

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Just make it an isekai about a hood mfer on his way to get a Chopped Cheese from a Bodega and gets teleported to Japan. That way people will at least think it's funny slop instead of historical erasure slop.

 

[MMaRsu]

If they are taking the time to make the story right then I'd say that's a good thing.

Ultimately, my argument is that we should be as fine with stories about a black man in Japan as we are with stories about a white man in Japan.

People wanted neither.

They wanted a Japanese ninja/samurai in AC setting. Nothing else. That's it. What more do you need? Why do you need Yasuke? Nobody wanted to play as Yasuke, people still don't.

 

[BlackTron]

Like these ones, you mean?

Yup, if this game was released now it would get the "political agenda" label.

That game wouldn't have come out today. She actually looks decent.

There's a difference between aspects being in a game because they originated as a creative choice that came from trying to make a cool game, and originating as a forced choice from an agenda-driven mandate. Yes, there is a difference, we can tell, the resulting game feels very different (worse).

That's why stuff like this game or Dandara or Afro Samurai were fine.

And many things that came after, were bad. And worse, created the culture war, to blur the lines with stuff that had no agenda. Leading people who are sick of artificial game development, to lash out just because they see an element that had been weaponized by crazies, even if it's not that time, thereby perpetuating the culture war. But who's fault is that?

Nice job guys.

 

[Woopah]

People wanted neither.

They wanted a Japanese ninja/samurai in AC setting. Nothing else. That's it. What more do you need? Why do you need Yasuke? Nobody wanted to play as Yasuke, people still don't.

Because I don't remember there being a massive backlash against Nioh because "I don't want Yasuke in this video game" or "I don't want to play as William Adams"

One person did make a thread on this forum complaining about William Adams. Nearly all the replies are people saying they don't care about the protagonist's skin colour, or that it's completely fine because they are a historical character, or that they find the concept of playing as a foreigner in Japan really interesting and refreshing.

So my argument is that people should be consistent. Any one complaining about this game should have complained about Nioh.

 

[BlackTron]

Because I don't remember there being a massive backlash against Nioh because "I don't want Yasuke in this video game" or "I don't want to play as William Adams"

One person did make a thread on this forum complaining about William Adams. Nearly all the replies are people saying they don't care about the protagonist's skin colour, or that it's completely fine because they are a historical character, or that they find the concept of playing as a foreigner in Japan really interesting and refreshing.

So my argument is that people should be consistent. Any one complaining about this game should have complained about Nioh.

It's almost perfect how your post is directly below mine to contrast two polar opposing viewpoints.

 

[freemandos]

Just like that? Without "universal" insults, personal attacks or negative asumptions about the japanese people's private life?

 

[STARSBarry]

Dude just stop, your not making any sense.

Exactly it makes zero sense, if a diverse character is in a video game the game gets a "agenda/dei" label automatically now.

Oh man oh geeze it's almost like this falls flat at only a casual glance at recent games that did well.

It's almost like games that have an obvious focus on DEI get called out, and those that don't, don't. Let's stop pretending assassins creed picked this historical "samurai" at random.

 

[BlackTron]

Oh man oh geeze it's almost like this falls flat at only a casual glance at recent games that did well.

It's almost like games that have an obvious focus on DEI get called out, and those that don't, don't. Let's stop pretending assassins creed picked this historical "samurai" at random.

THANK YOU. Heads will explode struggling to reconcile this.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

That's probably true, but you can also try thinking about why that is.

Things changed since then. If people easily tag things of "woke", it's just the result of an industry (or a world really, because it's multiples industries) pushing too much on the whole diversity / agenda thing for years.
They insisted too much on this, to the point that now, it doesn't even feel natural anymore when you start seeing any kind of diversity in a media, you just end up wondering if it was done for DEI or not. It's hard to not think about it, because for years, it's been done artificially and now it's hard to know what's genuine diversity or not.

These industries and people doing this DEI push actually DESTROYED diversity and representation, it only had a negative effect on the long term.

Why is DEI an issue is the real question.

What if the Assassin's Creed Shadows director read about the story of Yasuke and thought it was great story and then wanted to make a video game about it. Why is that an issue?

What if Ubisoft saw Ghost of Tsushima and thought "we can't make our game too similar to that series" and decided to go into a different direction?

We don't know how the story will play out so why are people judging the game based off just the appearance of the main characters?

We still get games with non diverse characters so why can't there be a balance?

Through the years we have seen lots of non diverse characters get "artificially" plugged into stories and most of the time no one cared as long as the story/game was good. So why is it an issue when this is done in reverse?

If you look at the games Ubisoft has published in the last 10 years they use all types of characters, diverse and non diverse but it feels like its now an issue in the last couple years. Why is that?

Oh man oh geeze it's almost like this falls flat at only a casual glance at recent games that did well.

What do all those characters have in common? I will let you figure out what that is. There is a reason these games where not judged for DEI.

 

[MMaRsu]

Because I don't remember there being a massive backlash against Nioh because "I don't want Yasuke in this video game" or "I don't want to play as William Adams"

One person did make a thread on this forum complaining about William Adams. Nearly all the replies are people saying they don't care about the protagonist's skin colour, or that it's completely fine because they are a historical character, or that they find the concept of playing as a foreigner in Japan really interesting and refreshing.

So my argument is that people should be consistent. Any one complaining about this game should have complained about Nioh.

Because Nioh isnt Assassins Creed. And people have been asking for a Assassins Creed in Japan for years.

Nioh has nothing to do with Assassins Creed

 

[Woopah]

Because Nioh isnt Assassins Creed. And people have been asking for a Assassins Creed in Japan for years.

Nioh has nothing to do with Assassins Creed

Now they have an Assassin's Creed in set in Japan. If they want to play as Samurai, they can. If they want to play as a Japanese person, they can.

 

[MMaRsu]

Now they have an Assassin's Creed in set in Japan. If they want to play as Samurai, they can. If they want to play as a Japanese person, they can.

Yeah and nobody wanted to play as a non japanese samurai (white or black). You can spin around what I'm saying and I'm telling you what the general concensus is.

 

[Woopah]

Yeah and nobody wanted to play as a non japanese samurai (white or black). You can spin around what I'm saying and I'm telling you what the general concensus is.

So if the game gave you a choice between a Japanese samurai and a black shinobi, that would fix the issue right?

 

[Fake]

People are having a hard time accepting this pick was on purpose.

 

[Bernardougf]

People are having a hard time accepting this pick was on purpose.

It was on purpose... some dev was reading about famous samurais and obviously was confronted with the several awsome storys about Yasuke the black who ruled the samurai world in the Nobunaga era... it was always a story meant to be told.

 

[SHA]

theyre scared of neogaf posting asmongold videos about them

 

[MMaRsu]

So if the game gave you a choice between a Japanese samurai and a black shinobi, that would fix the issue right?

The game doesnt give you that choice because you will play with both characters.

so shut up already with your dumb gaslighting

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

People are having a hard time accepting this pick was on purpose.

It was on purpose, the writer on the team really liked Yasuke's story.

Here is a link to Michael Pachter confirming this:



He also confirmed Ubisoft did not add Yasuke and the female ninja because of some "political agenda" but of course people won't believe that.

 

[adamsapple]

New key-art for the game, feels like they're definitely downplaying Yasuke's character, 90% of his face is hidden behind the elaborate mask which hides practically all of his features, and there's a lot of other characters on it now that weren't seen before.

 

[UnrealEck]

No matter what they do, the game, the name 'Assassin's Creed Shadows' has been completely tainted. Everyone knows about it and there's been so many fuck ups that everyone knows of at least one or two of them.
The only Ass Creed game anyone gives a shit about now is a remake of Black Flag which will have diverse characters in it which are not just deliberate DEI inserts.