thetechkid
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Just beat the first colossus for the first time, only complaint so far is riding the horse is worst thing I've ever done in a video game. The controls for that just don't seem good. Besides that so far the game isn't bad.
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The ICO and Shadow of the Colossus Collection |OT| Ueda *bow*
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MoonsaultSlayer
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Haven't played all day. I'm jonesing.
I've played shadow quite frequently with several playthroughs, time attack runs and reminiscence modes since its original launch up to the new release and still find each colossus as fun and exciting as my first time... but without the mystery and awe =[.
So when I play, I try a new experience. I hang out on the colossus and explore its shape. I test how long I can stand up without holding on when they sway and shake. I explore the battlegrounds and wonder why they're there, what they are and how the beasts came to be there.
So yeah, I don't have a disliked colossus and this isn't my second time through since the original release. Basically I'm just bragging or trying to get newcomers and oldcomers to appreciate different aspects of the battle besides "the one trick" to take em down.
I've played shadow quite frequently with several playthroughs, time attack runs and reminiscence modes since its original launch up to the new release and still find each colossus as fun and exciting as my first time... but without the mystery and awe =[.
So when I play, I try a new experience. I hang out on the colossus and explore its shape. I test how long I can stand up without holding on when they sway and shake. I explore the battlegrounds and wonder why they're there, what they are and how the beasts came to be there.
So yeah, I don't have a disliked colossus and this isn't my second time through since the original release. Basically I'm just bragging or trying to get newcomers and oldcomers to appreciate different aspects of the battle besides "the one trick" to take em down.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Yeah I also wish my horse irl would ride like robot Epona too.thetechkid said:
edit: Agro-complaints are so 2006. Deal with learning how to control Agro. It's the best thing ever when you do. (I don't even control Agro anymore, I let him do all the walking. The path-finding AI is amazing).
MoonsaultSlayer
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Keep in mind that you're controlling the reigns, not the horse. Agro has her own mind and will. So when crossing a winding bridge or travering a twisting, narrow gap, just press X to keep her going. She'll turn and avoid the walls on her own. She's smart like that.thetechkid said:
thetechkid
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Would probably have been nice to know that before I spent 10 minutes trying to figure out if my hand was being epileptic or not. Oh well.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Haha. Stubborn horse.thetechkid said:
I started and finished my second run through Ico today. Going through the game being able to understand Yorda, using the lightsaber, eating watermelon at the end, it's so fucking good. Overall I'm very impressed with Ico, it's a great game and a hell of an experience.
I'm going to start Shadow of the Colossus tomorrow. Should be awesome.
I'm going to start Shadow of the Colossus tomorrow. Should be awesome.
famousmortimer
Banned
The texture work is incredible. I've been happy with most HD collections, but this one takes the cake - and not just because the originals are two of the best games ever*.
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Though that helps
thetechkid said:
Strangely enough, that's one of the things I like most about the horse. Unlike other games, when you climb onto the horse, you don't become the horse. You don't have perfect control over a horse, as a rider does not have perfect control over his horse in real life. You just buck him to get him going, and use the reins to control direction of travel. And once you get going, you don't even have to control him. Just set a general direction and let him cruise, occasionally correcting the path as you please. Having Agro behave this way makes him feel like a real companion, and not just some AI or vehicle. It gives a sense of camaraderie in a mysterious and desolate world. When I was fighting one of the colossi, I got cornered and called out to Agro. He sprinted over, and I leaped onto his side. Before I completely mounted him--I was still hanging off his side--he darted off away from the colossus. It's the little touches like this that make Agro seem real to me, anyway.
Melfice7
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thetechkid said:
Don't try to control every movement. I do it like this: down + X to go full speed right away and just press X to maintain the speed, point to where you wanna go and let him do the rest.. only slight direction inputs if its needed
Hope that didnt sound confusing xD but riding Agro is really simple once you realize he doesn't need much babysitting
corrosivefrost
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Conciliator said:
I liked him, personally.
The ones I really think were bottom of the barrel are:
Fire protector bull (11?) -- he sucks, flat out... sure it's clever to figure out how to get his armor off, but he's more of an annoyance and there's nothing really colossal about him.
Pillar charging cat/dog from ghostbusters (14) -- retread of 11 -- I like the whole "play keepaway til you can get the armor off aspect, to a degree [I was horrible at it this playthrough and kept missing jumps, ugh], but again, a small armored colossus, dodge and run until he has a hard impact than leap on his back and stab him while he bucks around... where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, on 11.
To a lesser extent I really dislike the sand snake 10 as well.
Didn't really like 7 either... the underwater electric eel.
And 16 kind of sucks, but that's because I dealt with him the first time I played for about 2-3 hours and this time was better, but still was aggravating because Wander wouldn't climb the wrists correctly.
Pillar charging cat/dog from ghostbusters (14) -- retread of 11 -- I like the whole "play keepaway til you can get the armor off aspect, to a degree [I was horrible at it this playthrough and kept missing jumps, ugh], but again, a small armored colossus, dodge and run until he has a hard impact than leap on his back and stab him while he bucks around... where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, on 11.
To a lesser extent I really dislike the sand snake 10 as well.
Didn't really like 7 either... the underwater electric eel.
And 16 kind of sucks, but that's because I dealt with him the first time I played for about 2-3 hours and this time was better, but still was aggravating because Wander wouldn't climb the wrists correctly.
The best, IMO, of course:
Bird (5) -- amazing -- you have to grab on and deal with it's aerial maneuvers to have a go at it... and the setting is amazing.
Flying sand snake (13) -- absolutely grand in scale, impressive and the desert backdrop is wonderful. Also like the puncture the floating bags mechanic.
8 or 9 -- the one in the damn, that one has a great mechanic and the setting/design are visually impressive.
Flying sand snake (13) -- absolutely grand in scale, impressive and the desert backdrop is wonderful. Also like the puncture the floating bags mechanic.
8 or 9 -- the one in the damn, that one has a great mechanic and the setting/design are visually impressive.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Post above made me furious to a degree I never thought would be possible on a gaming forum... I should really, really start learning how to respect other opinions.
I'll get treatment someday, don't worry.
I'll get treatment someday, don't worry.
SentientStone
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Yoshichan said:
Yup, the only trouble sometimes I have is if I and trying to do a U-turn at a wall sometimes, but other than that, like you, I find that steering a bit in the general direction is all you ever need to do, the horse almost always find its path better when I just leave the directional buttons alone and just press X.
SkylineRKR
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Bluepoint should handle all HD transfers, they seem to be the best out there. They would probably come up with a better RE4 port than we have now.
The one I mentioned should be skippable but I continously failed in doing so. I would stick my hand out but she wouldn't jump in time so they'll snatch her. Thing is, they go up a ladder and when they do that I'm close to being fucked. So subsequent times I just immediately jumped down and whacked away.
Y2Kev said:
The one I mentioned should be skippable but I continously failed in doing so. I would stick my hand out but she wouldn't jump in time so they'll snatch her. Thing is, they go up a ladder and when they do that I'm close to being fucked. So subsequent times I just immediately jumped down and whacked away.
Outtrigger888
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Ive only taken down 2 colossi, but so far this game is incredible. For some reason I never got around playing it even though I loved ICO. But I get to experience it for the first time on a 55" 3d tv with surround sound 
. I cant believe how good the soundtrack, animation, and lighting are for a game built on last gen hardware.
I honestly didnt know what to expect going into this game, but after walking up to the first colossi and the soundtrack kicking in im blown away. Just the way the colossi moved and tried to shake me off his body as I tried to scale him was awesome. When I finally managed to get to the top, I seen how high I was and noticed birds flying around me. It gave me the sense I was climbing something massive, and I took in every minute of it. As for controls, At first I hated the camera controls but after changing a few options it wasnt a problem. I really like how the games camera has a cinematic feel to it, it gives the beauty shots like ICO's camera did but can be freely moved by the player.
Ive read some posts that the 3d wasnt that great. I beg to differ, the 3d is better than everything ive tried on the ps3. Theres great depth both ways, and the game looks incredible in 3d, riding on the horse around the land with the dirt kicking up and the horse animating beautifully is impressive im actually going to play through the entire game in 3d which I havnt done with a game before. Sony should be showing this in stores to show off the ps3's 3d tech.
. I cant believe how good the soundtrack, animation, and lighting are for a game built on last gen hardware. I honestly didnt know what to expect going into this game, but after walking up to the first colossi and the soundtrack kicking in im blown away. Just the way the colossi moved and tried to shake me off his body as I tried to scale him was awesome. When I finally managed to get to the top, I seen how high I was and noticed birds flying around me. It gave me the sense I was climbing something massive, and I took in every minute of it. As for controls, At first I hated the camera controls but after changing a few options it wasnt a problem. I really like how the games camera has a cinematic feel to it, it gives the beauty shots like ICO's camera did but can be freely moved by the player.
Ive read some posts that the 3d wasnt that great. I beg to differ, the 3d is better than everything ive tried on the ps3. Theres great depth both ways, and the game looks incredible in 3d, riding on the horse around the land with the dirt kicking up and the horse animating beautifully is impressive im actually going to play through the entire game in 3d which I havnt done with a game before. Sony should be showing this in stores to show off the ps3's 3d tech.
I finally got back from a long weekend of shit and had my copy finally waiting for me in the mailbox. I jsut played 30 minutes of ICO and god damn. This game is still as amazing as it was back then. I forgot how gorgeous the camera angles were. When you finally get to Yorda and the camera pans across the screen letting some of the warm sunlight slip through one of the windows. Fuck me. That was more beautiful than most things you'll find in games today.
Bluepoint really did a great job remastering ICO (haven't touched my favourite game ever, SotC, yet). It looks astounding.
Bluepoint really did a great job remastering ICO (haven't touched my favourite game ever, SotC, yet). It looks astounding.
I just finished Shadow of the Colossus. I have played through it many times and I must say that it never fails to just blow me away. I can't think of one other interactive experience that remotely compares to it. There is such a strong narrative and sense of investment in the world, landscape, creatures and characters that just pulls me in with a sense of awe every time. As a total package, it's just so well crafted and realized.
By the time the end screen hits I'm just completely enamored with the whole thing all over again. Of course, we all know nothing is perfect, but the sum here is so much greater than the parts it's the closest my personal tastes in interactive entertainment have come to it. I've played many great games and experiences over the years, and I've enjoyed some of them greatly. But when trying to come up with as much of an equal to this one, I'm left grabbing for straws.
Its simply unmatched.
*bow*
By the time the end screen hits I'm just completely enamored with the whole thing all over again. Of course, we all know nothing is perfect, but the sum here is so much greater than the parts it's the closest my personal tastes in interactive entertainment have come to it. I've played many great games and experiences over the years, and I've enjoyed some of them greatly. But when trying to come up with as much of an equal to this one, I'm left grabbing for straws.
Its simply unmatched.
*bow*
Rickenslacker
Banned
I am actually surprised that people complain about it because it was so intuitive. Seriously, you're not navigating fine paths, tap X a few times and nudge him in the right direction at times, what's the problem.Yoshichan said:
Philanthropist
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Mush said:
From the comments:
if you've beaten the game once, Yorda can be controlled with controller 2 during your second playthrough!
Is this true?
kyo_daikun
Member
Anyon else have problems redeeming the code for the video and 2 dynamic themes?
Mines saying invalid
Mines saying invalid
semiconscious
Member
Gattsu25 said:
there was a time, not so long ago, when one simply didn't 'expect' games to control in particular ways. you basically anticipated that part of playing a game was learning the control mechanics. &, while a number of games had control schemes that maybe weren't 'ideal', unless the developer really screwed the pooch, design-wise (which is absolutely not the case with these 2 games), you went with what was there, spent some time getting comfortable with it, & got on with playing the game the way it was intended to be played...
if you're 'fighting with' the controls of either of these games, or any game, it should be obvious that it's because you're trying to control it in ways it's not designed to be controlled. i'm not making excuses for camera problems (something common to many games), & i'm not saying mastering the controls makes either game consistently easy (because it doesn't). what i am saying is, if you're not willing to just go with the control schemes the games offer, & find yourself getting constantly pissed off because they don't conform to the 'better' control scheme that exists in other games / your mind, it likely simply means that these games aren't for you...
skill-wise, i'm a very average gamer, & a relatively recent console gamer - when i played ico, shortly after release, it was the second console game i'd ever played. i never found myself 'fighting with' the combat, or with yorda's pathfinding, & i never found myself 'fighting with' riding agro (yes, it is better than any other game
), or scaling colossi. i just went with what i was given, hung in there, & eventually prevailed...i had no expectations. & i don't for any game. it just makes things clearer: i accept each game on its own terms, go with the flow, & it either works for me, or it doesn't...
there's nothing to be gained from playing a game while all the time wishing it was something it isn't...
kyo_daikun
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mrklaw said:
Cool, panic over!
So I just got my JP LE box...I need to do a show-off photo of all the Ico & SotC LE I have now!
OOI does anyone know if the code gives you anything other than just the 2 themes (that also come with US/UK version) and pointless Avatars (that you can only use with the JP account you use it with)?
If so I may as well leave it unsed...
OOI does anyone know if the code gives you anything other than just the 2 themes (that also come with US/UK version) and pointless Avatars (that you can only use with the JP account you use it with)?
If so I may as well leave it unsed...
PooBone
Member
I would have to agree.Gattsu25 said:
I only just killed the 10th colossus, I'm 4 hours, 16 minutes into it. Wish I had more time to play, I intend to sit down today and play some, maybe even finish it. There's a few of these colossus I can't remember, like 14 and 15, but so far I have to say the only colossus I dislike is number 6 because he is so visually derivative of other colossi, and killing him is super easy.
I remember the first time I fought number 9
the big turtle that comes out of the cave, and he shot those electric bursts or whatever at me and knocked me off my horse, and Agro gets up limping... I was actually scared.
EDIT: I did have some issues getting the hang of the controls early on, maybe because of the camera resetting itself and how you have to hit triangle when you're on an edge to pull yourself up. I died once fighting the first colossus. Since then, piece of cake. Haven't died once, except when I jumped off a cliff to see if I would survive a fall into water. I didn't.
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Deleted member 30609
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Ico must have been mind-blowing in 2002. Going into it, I thought I was in for something really dated, but man, that was fantastic. I'm genuinely impressed.
If nothing else, man, I can't wait to start up SOTC again now.
If nothing else, man, I can't wait to start up SOTC again now.
Played about an hour of SotC. The opening brought tears of joy to my eyes. Such a joy to see this wonderful game on my HD plasma screen and looking as gorgeous as I remember it. I even tested some of it in 3D, which looks surprisingly awesome.
I did notice some minor issues with the presentation that I never noticed back in 2007. The animation of the lizards is really really janky and kind of gives off a game and watch vibe. There are also some LOD issues, but those were present in the original version.
Still, nothing compares to this game for me. Absolutely falling in love with it all over again.
I did notice some minor issues with the presentation that I never noticed back in 2007. The animation of the lizards is really really janky and kind of gives off a game and watch vibe. There are also some LOD issues, but those were present in the original version.
Still, nothing compares to this game for me. Absolutely falling in love with it all over again.
People are used to horses controlling like cars in games and are dumbstruck when in this game you are actually steering Agro with Wander's hands.mrklaw said: