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[IbizaPocholo]

The Last of Us 2 State of Play Trailer brought us new look on already known scenes. One of them was an ambush scene premiered back in 2017 on Paris Games Week..and you know what? We have a great upgrade here. See it for your self in stunning 4K.

 

[captainraincoat]

Basically added more wet
Games gonna make you feel like you have been walking on wet grass in your socks

 

[Nankatsu]

Oh my god, look at those puddles!

 

[VFXVeteran]

Yes, they modified the shaders quite a bit. I believe the BRDF is a much better approximation with dual specular terms.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

So it basically got a little upgrade? Nice, considering it always looked really good. Looks sharper.

 

[Moses85]

This looks so good

 

[azertydu91]

Yes, they modified the shaders quite a bit. I believe the BRDF is a much better approximation with dual specular terms.

Hey I know some of these words like modify and believe ... that's about it .... I known it's sad

 

[Hayabusabruh]

It looks like they made Abby even buffer.

 

[YCoCg]

It looks like they made Abby even buffer.

Hahha, nice joke, now let me watch the video and, .....they actually did, her arms are thicker now! The fire looks a lot better now too.

 

[bohrdom]

Yes, they modified the shaders quite a bit. I believe the BRDF is a much better approximation with dual specular terms.

What are the visual cues of dual specular terms? Is it something you can only see when the game is in motion?

 

[The_Observer]

Now only if the animations were the same as in the E3 demo...

 

[GymWolf]

the wet effect looks noticeably better.

 

[LostDonkey]

The Moist Of Us

 

[Fushitsusha]

Abby's arms are bigger than Kratos'.

 

[trapanesenyc]

They also added more definitions in the muscles. Which makes sense. Hard labor + less caloric intake going to have low body fat percentage.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

There's differences but I wouldnt say they are worse or better. It is wetter though.

 

[MrA]

Oh my god, look at those puddles!

after spider man I don't think sony can take any chances

 

[THEAP99]

This game is so wet & moist

 

[thelastword]

So another SWWS game that got improved graphics from reveal.....What a talented bunch of guys and gals......Still reminds me of Motorstorm Pacific Rift. That was one of the biggest upgrades from a Sony first party studio.

 

[GlassAwful]

How about a 2018/2020 gameplay comparison.

 

[RaySoft]

So it basically got a little upgrade? Nice, considering it always looked really good. Looks sharper.

Would call it more a tweak... It's not like those changes was expensive or anything.

 

[Coolwhhip]

It looks really watered down.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yall do realize that it was raining outside during those scenes right?

 

[yurinka]

Now it looks even better.

 

[Javthusiast]

It looks really watered down.

 

[yurinka]

How about a 2018/2020 gameplay comparison.

Now only if the animations were the same as in the E3 demo...

Is there any video somewhere with these comparisions or supposed downgrade? There are some gameplay portions in the newest videos that are the same than in the oldest ones, but at first sight they look exactly the same and without looking them carefully I'm not sure if there is any change because they look exactly the same to the point I think they just posted in the new videos the old footage instead of capturing it again from a recent build.

The only thing that may be a supposed downgrade that I found is that in one of those early gameplays was the lighting coming from bonfire drums, that doesn't appear in the recent gameplay because the recent gameplay videos don't show that same exact portion doesn't appear and there aren't bonfire drums. So we really can't compare.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Naughty Dog elevates their games from year to year.

 

[Deeper Underground]

It looks really watered down.

*rimshot*

 

[Bryank75]

Basically added more wet
Games gonna make you feel like you have been walking on wet grass in your socks

It worked in Bloodborne, people loved that black, slick aesthetic.

 

[VFXVeteran]

What are the visual cues of dual specular terms? Is it something you can only see when the game is in motion?

Yea. Or the best way to see it is if you was able to split out the render into different passes and see the 2 specular terms in separate images.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Upgrade!

 

[VFXVeteran]

Would call it more a tweak... It's not like those changes was expensive or anything.

They are costly but not enough to dramatically affect framerate. Adding a 2nd specular term means another evaluation of the light source. They also added better SSS to the skin on the characters. But I can't see that in the vids.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

NXGamer just put up a nice analysis comparing old footage to the new



I can't give a full summary like usual, I'm on my phone, but listening so far he's mentioned added details, tweaks to the lighting and bloom, reduction of chromatic aberration (always a good thing imo)

 

[leo-j]

Even if it looks better, plays better, clearly a technical marvel on a ps4, the haters keep going lol.

 

[Gold_Loot]

It looks like they made Abby even buffer.

Not only that but they also made a few male characters smaller. There's a reddit thread discussing it.

 

[Kokoloko85]

At least its not a downgrade.
Sure the first game got a downgrade in the Enemy A.I department I remember

 

[acm2000]

Next gen shiny

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

It looks like they made Abby even buffer.

I thought this was a joke but then I re-watched the video and its true lol.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Not only that but they also made a few male characters smaller. There's a reddit thread discussing it.

They probably had to remove polygons from the male characters to put them in her arms ... makes sense ...

 

[phil_t98]

Everything looks shinier. Looks like it was upgraded. Looks great

 

[The_Observer]

Is there any video somewhere with these comparisions or supposed downgrade? There are some gameplay portions in the newest videos that are the same than in the oldest ones, but at first sight they look exactly the same and without looking them carefully I'm not sure if there is any change because they look exactly the same to the point I think they just posted in the new videos the old footage instead of capturing it again from a recent build.

The only thing that may be a supposed downgrade that I found is that in one of those early gameplays was the lighting coming from bonfire drums, that doesn't appear in the recent gameplay because the recent gameplay videos don't show that same exact portion doesn't appear and there aren't bonfire drums. So we really can't compare.

I don't think there is such a video, but you don't need that to see that the E3 demo was totally scripted. The animations are still good, or even one of the best but they are nothing like the E3 gameplay. In that "gameplay" video everything was so perfect. Looking back I see that I was a fool for believing that it might be like that in the final game. I was skeptical but at the same time also hopeful since it is Naughty Dog we are talking about. Well, they fucked us over, it seems. This practice shouldn't be legal IMO...

 

[Exodia]

Is there any video somewhere with these comparisions or supposed downgrade? There are some gameplay portions in the newest videos that are the same than in the oldest ones, but at first sight they look exactly the same and without looking them carefully I'm not sure if there is any change because they look exactly the same to the point I think they just posted in the new videos the old footage instead of capturing it again from a recent build.

The only thing that may be a supposed downgrade that I found is that in one of those early gameplays was the lighting coming from bonfire drums, that doesn't appear in the recent gameplay because the recent gameplay videos don't show that same exact portion doesn't appear and there aren't bonfire drums. So we really can't compare.

The animations just not as crazy and smooth as Ellie dodging against that car and then perfectly transitioning to using that momentum to stab an enemy. The latest footage is great in its own right but has too much judder in motion which simply isn't present in the demo they showed years ago in comparison.

Also clear downgrade of in-game Ellie and enemy AI in terms of model complexity and lighting/shadowing

 

[REE Machine]

The animations just not as crazy and smooth as Ellie dodging against that car and then perfectly transitioning to using that momentum to stab an enemy. The latest footage is great in its own right but has too much judder in motion which simply isn't present in the demo they showed years ago in comparison.

Because we havent seen that played out yet in newer footage, cant discredit something isnt there when You haven't seen it yet, wait for release

 

[93xfan]

Looks better, except for maybe the smoke effects in one pic, but that could just be them being harder to see because of the light.

Either way, great job. I was expecting a small downgrade and it's the opposite.

 

[webber]

Because we havent seen that played out yet in newer footage, cant discredit something isnt there when You haven't seen it yet, wait for release

Agreed.
We haven't seen A LOT of things in the E3 2018 demo that we have seen now with this State of Play.
And I bet there's MUCH MORE to see in final game.
All I know is that this game is looking ridiculous and I honestly was expecting downgrades instead of upgrades.
The difference between that dead clicker from september 2019 media demo and now is really neat.
Best to wait for the day one patched goodness and then play and judge for ourselves.

 

[Keihart]

The animations just not as crazy and smooth as Ellie dodging against that car and then perfectly transitioning to using that momentum to stab an enemy. The latest footage is great in its own right but has too much judder in motion which simply isn't present in the demo they showed years ago in comparison.

Also clear downgrade of in-game Ellie and enemy AI in terms of model complexity and lighting/shadowing

Here in the timestamp, the animations of the new gameplay are compared to the original reveal that you refer too, and it's pretty similar. The car animation might still be in and triggered near walls, it wouldn't be out of the realm of what ND made with TLoU1, there are a lot of contextual animations triggered by near objetcs or specific situations.
For example in TLoU1, if you attempt to hit an enemie that is in a more elevated ground than you, Joel grabs him by the legs instead of punching the knees. Or punching enemies close to walls makes you pin them against it.

 

[yurinka]

Here in the timestamp, the animations of the new gameplay are compared to the original reveal that you refer too, and it's pretty similar. The car animation might still be in and triggered near walls, it wouldn't be out of the realm of what ND made with TLoU1, there are a lot of contextual animations triggered by near objetcs or specific situations.
For example in TLoU1, if you attempt to hit an enemie that is in a more elevated ground than you, Joel grabs him by the legs instead of punching the knees. Or punching enemies close to walls makes you pin them against it.

Yes, the difference may be because of context related: stomping with the car, position of the legs when starting the animaiton, moving with the stick into a certain direction after the evade movement, or even the position of the body that has in the previous animation when the evade was activated.

The camera makes a better job in the old video, matching better the animations. But again, it may be related to the context of the environment.

Also clear downgrade of in-game Ellie and enemy AI in terms of model complexity and lighting/shadowing

Lighting and shadowing changes can be explained because one it's outdoors and the other one indoors. Animations, animation blur, plus change in focus due to having an object close to the camera and being the camera at a different distance from the characters may explain the supposed complexity change. And well, one can be a better quality screenshot than the other one, both from a better source or because one is from a stopped moment while the other may be in movement.

We'd need to compare more similar scenes.

 

[rofif]

I hate that trailers. Cults are so annoying...
And now we know she is not Ellie mother lol

 

[CrysisFreak]

Classic PlayStation Studios pre-release upgrade.
I just hope that the pacing and gameplay holds up when I play in in a few weeks.

 

[The_Observer]

It's nice that many of you are so optimistic, but don't you think it's a bit strange that the E3 gameplay was FULL with such animations and sequences while we haven't seen anything like those since? If you were the developer and accomplished such an insane technical achievement, wouldn't you show it everytime you have the opportunity? At least to silence people like me? You can be sure they are reading forums and comments about it...