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The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D |OT| of |OoT|
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zruben said:I just wanted to say that I'm going to buy a 3DS and Zelda OoT next week.
I haven't played OoT since I finished it back in 1998 (replayed MM a LOT of times); and I have been reading this thread since the launch of the game, and I'm hyped as hell!!!
also, I haven't tried a 3DS yet... I hope I'll be able to enjoy it
edit: I mean the 3D effect, I'm kinda worried because on 3D movies I don't see a great difference =/
I was in a similar boat, except I had played the kiosk 3DS demos of Pilotwings and Steel Diver. Both of those games practically deterred me from the system as the 3D effect is barely noticeable/weakly implemented and the experiences are pretty damn embarrassing for $40 releases on a $250 console.
Ten seconds of being shown Zelda however, and the concept immediately became apparent. The 3D effect is astounding and does add a :grumble: more inviting 'novelty' appeal beyond what I had seen previously. Taking away the 3D and you are left with a relatively modest upgrade to the N64 classic wherein the merits are understandably arguable. With it turned on, and it's quite a uniquely satisfying visual experience.
Ridge Racer, which I also just picked up, is similar. Modest game in terms of fidelity for the franchise and what the system is capable, but with the 3D, there is an argument to be had about it's visual thrills that is unclear without.
kr2t0s said:
A visual masterpiece. Heh. Riiight. I know how Ocarina of Time looks - I've played it 30 times. I also know how this latest version looks. My standard of how good something looks isn't "does it improve upon an n64 game." My standard of how good something looks is "does it look good compared to what the system is capable of, and also what the going standard is of games across the board." The "visuals are nothing short of amazing" is preposterous and I firmly disagree in the strongest possible terms. It's mediocre even by comparison to what 3DS IS capable of. Star Fox 64 3D, which is another N64 upgrade, is a massively superior visual upgrade over its original. Just look at the scene with the lava in some of the trailers for StarFox 64 3D to see the type of effort that distinguishes merely going through the motions and actually trying to separate yourself.
Ocarina of Time is a substandard production; it still readily attains its N64 roots in some of its geometrical layouts and character models specifically suffer from true ugliness. There are STILL framerate drops - and I played it in 2D, not 3D. I can't imagine it in 3D. Goodness that must suck.
It is an improvement in every way to the N64 original, which does not then suddenly equal "a technical masterpiece." It's absurd to even consider such a statement, and I'm a master of hyperbole.
Anihawk said:
Yeah Twilight is fantastic. I never had a problem with the introduction either. I enjoyed the "calm before the storm", these moments define what you fight for. It's the same in Wind Waker and the same BASICALLY in the truncated Ocarina of Time. I enjoy allowing these moments to settle, to flesh out motivation, and I believe Twilight Princess did a fantastic job of it. I probably would have done without the light orb collection thing, but that's about it - I have far more complaints about Ocarina than I do TP.
The dungeons are just incalculably superior in TP. There is a sense of history, yes, but infinitely superior sense of spacial awareness, lateral thinking and all around more complex, intelligent design. In Ocarina of Time, even after 30 playthroughs, I was still remarking at how even though it's a good game it simply falls so short to its successors in this regard. Even Wind Waker, as far as I'm concerned, does much more with its 3D space and puzzle implementation. And boss design. Twilight Princess just demolishes Ocarina of Time in bosses.
I understand some people like simplicity; I don't unless the design specifically improves for it. But it doesn't. In most cases it's just got an empty, 'learners permit' feel to it that just is distracting when you have so much superior to compare it to imo.
Chopper said:
I've seen comparison pics to know what looks better and I know what I prefer in general terms; I've played 3D games before and I've experienced autostereoscopic 3D. Yadda yadda same old same old. Everyone knows the story. 3DS inferior autostereoscopic 3D technology is not going to change my opinion on it. One day when we get 3D tech that doesn't suck I'll be on board as I've always said.
milkyjay20 said:
It sure does.
milkyjay20 said:
It is better in many many ways; in movement, camera control, inventory management, even some dungeons are superior. And yes, in its gorgeous visuals and in its astoundingly expansive soundtrack. I understand your attempt to try to discredit visuals as an important distinguisher but as always visuals are one of the most important aspects of games and, as a general rule, is a huge part of defining what is superior. But of course in Okami's case there are many other aspects that are generally better. Okami has awful pacing and repeat bosses, so in that regard, it is not better in all ways.
milkyjay20 said:
Mechanically it's improved substantially. Link feels better to control, is better animated, lock-on has been improved substantially and its dungeon design already showcases the seeds of the more complex, later generation design integration that is a mark of a greater handle on 3D game design. In particular, the Forbidden Woods, The Tower of the Gods and the Wind Temple showcase many many elements which are simply nowhere present in Ocarina but demonstrate a level of complexity and overall design elegance that Ocarina of Time lacks as a 'my-first-3D-Zelda' experience.
I just got my shipping confirmation for the CD!
I only just got to play this game last night. I finally got the 3DS from my fiance, lol. I have only played it up to where you go into the Deku Tree, but I'm already blown away by the visuals and feel of the game overall. Just incredible so far. I can't wait to really dig into it now!
I only just got to play this game last night. I finally got the 3DS from my fiance, lol. I have only played it up to where you go into the Deku Tree, but I'm already blown away by the visuals and feel of the game overall. Just incredible so far. I can't wait to really dig into it now!
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Just got a e-mail saying the CD shipped. 4 to 10 business days.
I'm on board with Amirox with the "it's a great improvement over the N64, but still, not that impressive for the 3DS", and so is Starfox from all that we saw.
On the other hand I saw the game today running on a demo unit, and I was blown away by how the game looks in 3D, the 3D trailer really doesn't do it's justice.
On the other hand I saw the game today running on a demo unit, and I was blown away by how the game looks in 3D, the 3D trailer really doesn't do it's justice.
Nocturnowl
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All this talk about how Nintendo were only just beginning to explore the whole 3D space thing with Ocarina probably helps explain why the first big room in the fire temple (with the bridge, lava and moving platforms) has such a random layout with blocks whizzing all over the shop with no real rhyme or reason for where they are headed and red bubbles jumping out of the lava in non threatening positions.
civilstrife
Member
The 3D is fantastic and dramatically improves the experience, but your mileage will vary based on whether or not you like 3D and/or actually try it.
Also, the gyro controls are undeniably superior to the traditional bow controls.
Then again, aiming a bow to shoot will always be better than steering it!
The only shame is that the 3D and gyro controls don't play well together. But having the option for one or the other depending on the scenario is fantastic, and like all red blooded gamers, I love options!
Also, the gyro controls are undeniably superior to the traditional bow controls.
Then again, aiming a bow to shoot will always be better than steering it!
The only shame is that the 3D and gyro controls don't play well together. But having the option for one or the other depending on the scenario is fantastic, and like all red blooded gamers, I love options!
civilstrife said:
I personally never had problems to aim in Face raiders with the 3D on since you always have the screen in front of you, the 3D AR games are another problem, but over time the weird effect you get when you move the device isn't affecting me as much as in the beginning.
Beat the game.
The game definitely sells the 3D at the very least. It's jarring at first but playing it with the 3D on becomes almost second nature as you get into the groove of things, and it never really was distracting. Also helped that the visuals are vastly improved from the original game.
Unfortunately, upon replaying it, I am reminded once again that OoT is the least good 3D Zelda. Everything seems very small-scale, lots of ideas are thrown together with no real cohesion, combat is extremely simple by virtue of most enemies not having a lot of ways to attack and defend and, to be frank, none of the dungeons outside of the Forest Temple and Water Temple are all that good.
Hopefully this game gives impetus for Nintendo to rerelease Majora's Mask in 3D. That's what I'm REALLY waiting for.
The game definitely sells the 3D at the very least. It's jarring at first but playing it with the 3D on becomes almost second nature as you get into the groove of things, and it never really was distracting. Also helped that the visuals are vastly improved from the original game.
Unfortunately, upon replaying it, I am reminded once again that OoT is the least good 3D Zelda. Everything seems very small-scale, lots of ideas are thrown together with no real cohesion, combat is extremely simple by virtue of most enemies not having a lot of ways to attack and defend and, to be frank, none of the dungeons outside of the Forest Temple and Water Temple are all that good.
Hopefully this game gives impetus for Nintendo to rerelease Majora's Mask in 3D. That's what I'm REALLY waiting for.
civilstrife said:
I'm waiting for 3D that impresses me. This didn't. The trailer for the new Mario impressed me w/ 3D, so that might be the first game to sell me on what I think is merely a gimmick at this point. Right now, the graphical benefits and improved framerate in every game I've played is better than what 3D offers.
I do like gyro controls, though. Only way to aim for me.
Skilletor said:
The games visual improvement goes far beyond better textures. There are better character models for just about every npc {some are small, but those are just for minor npc's}. Link got a huge character model upgrade. Items have been visually improved. A lot of areas have things added to them, such as shops. It has a consistantly better framerate than the N64 version. Pre rendered areas are no longer pre rendered. etc etc etc
N64 game my ass.
I think where we are disagreeing is that you played it in 2d, while I played it in 3d. What I mean by this is I think the 3DS may be crippled in the long run by having to support both. IMO the 2D on the 3ds will always look 'subpar' because it has to do both.Amir0x said:
You are comparing how OoT 2D remake compares to other 2D games and I'm comparing OoT 3D to well...there are basically only a handful of 3d games that don't require glasses and on a portable system.
And yes a launch game (lets be fair - OoT is a launch game that got delayed by a couple of months) should look inferior to a game that is coming out after launch. That being said - I haven't seen the Starfox videos. Never played the original (no N64 for me, I was too busy saving my quarters to play SF2, MK, KI, etc in the arcade at that time) so I didn't really seek it out. Have a link? (no pun intended...ok, maybe a little)
I still stand behind the fact that I think the game is amazing - portable 3d of arguably the best Zelda game.
Skilletor said:
No, it doesn't. The average 3D PS1 title was a blocky mess. The higher tier 3D games weren't much better. Saturn 3D was even worse.
N64 3D did look much better than those two.....in screenshots. Most of the "better" looking ones were low res and had godawful framerates.
Black-Wind
Member
Ok, so I have been playing this game for the first time ever.
Its ... really nice. I can see why it gets so much love. The 3D is also GREAT. This is hands down the best 3D I have seen on the 3DS to date (2nd would be Pokedex 3DS).
And its pretty damn hard. Mainly because it doesn't hold your hand as much. I mean, half the time I'm getting stuff right because I simply tried everything else. "Why isn't Big Brother doing shit? I opened the door with the song.
*an Hour later, after trying to jump into the big spinning statue over and over again I try to do the song for him again but now I'm RIGHT IN HIS FACE and it works."
I have had to look at a youtube walk through for this that was for the n64 game ... this looks FAR better than the n64 game.
Its ... really nice. I can see why it gets so much love. The 3D is also GREAT. This is hands down the best 3D I have seen on the 3DS to date (2nd would be Pokedex 3DS).
And its pretty damn hard. Mainly because it doesn't hold your hand as much. I mean, half the time I'm getting stuff right because I simply tried everything else. "Why isn't Big Brother doing shit? I opened the door with the song.
*an Hour later, after trying to jump into the big spinning statue over and over again I try to do the song for him again but now I'm RIGHT IN HIS FACE and it works."
Skilletor said:
I have had to look at a youtube walk through for this that was for the n64 game ... this looks FAR better than the n64 game.
This is correct, this doesn't look like a 3DS ground-up LoZ ... but it sure as hell doesn't look like a N64 gen game either.Skilletor said:
TEJ said:
It looks like they took the N64 version of the game and polished it up. This does not look like a game built from the ground up for the 3DS. It looks like an N64 game with added bells and whistles. Those bells and whistles do not magically make it look amazing. It looks very much like a game from the era it was made.
Brazil said:
Glad we agree.
Black-Wind said:
Doesn't look like a ps2/GC/xbox game. Much worse than those. It's obvious to me the generation the game was made.
Holy Order Sol
Member
I'm done with my 3-heart run. Still trying to decide if I should tackle MQ right away or move on to MM and try the same thing, which could be harder since I might just end up completing a full heart by accident. XD
Are you enjoying this in some kind of twisted way?
Skilletor said:
Are you enjoying this in some kind of twisted way?
Jeff Albertson
Member
Got this and a 3ds last week, loving replaying it but I'm not sure the 3d effect works great with me. Never had a problem with films but playing Zelda I am getting quite a bit of a double vision type effect.
The cutscenes are fine though weirdly!
The cutscenes are fine though weirdly!
APZonerunner
Member
loblaw said:
Both sides of the argument are quite valid, as what you're doing here is posting one of the most ugly and barren areas in DK64 to one of the very few areas in OOT 3D that has been entirely remade because the orginal version used low quality CGI backgrounds and therefore uses a decent chunk of the machine's horsepower.
Most of OOT 3D uses N64 geometry and while it looks a ton better I can absolutely see where people saying that it is lower quality than they expected are coming from.
I'm pretty sick of seeing that shop image and other images of similar areas like castle town paraded about like it is representative of the entire game, because it just bloody isn't.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Is Dreamcast a generation unto itself then?Skilletor said:
shadyspace
Banned
No. First 6th generation console.lunchwithyuzo said:
APZonerunner said:
Fair point. Wasn't trying to say the game looks amazing graphics wise, I'm just trying to get the point across that it looks nothing like a 64 game, which obviously isn't going to work with the people that believe so because they're too hellbent on being right.
shadyspace
Banned
You plan to be dead within the next five years?Boney said:Kinda funny that the only Starfox game online I'll see in my life will be command.
Found it!Futureman said:
Iwata Asks (Grezzo)
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/zelda-ocarina-of-time/3/1
