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The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D |OT| of |OoT|
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Kai Dracon
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In terms of weaknesses, Ocarina of Time IMO works better on a handheld due to what 3D Zelda's have never gotten right. The overworld.
The big, empty Hyrule field was always the game's weakest element. Especially after LttP offered two whole world maps. On a portable, ironically, it makes the game feel condensed; doesn't take long to get from important point to important point. It actually benefits playing Ocarina here, in this specific circumstance.
But it's still a series weakness in the 3D design lineage.
LttP epitomizes Zelda with a mazelike overworld full of genuinely dangerous enemies and craploads of secrets to uncover. It also improves on the original Zelda's design by structuring the map to constantly tease the player with sections of the grid that are visible but require thought on how to access.
The big, empty Hyrule field was always the game's weakest element. Especially after LttP offered two whole world maps. On a portable, ironically, it makes the game feel condensed; doesn't take long to get from important point to important point. It actually benefits playing Ocarina here, in this specific circumstance.
But it's still a series weakness in the 3D design lineage.
LttP epitomizes Zelda with a mazelike overworld full of genuinely dangerous enemies and craploads of secrets to uncover. It also improves on the original Zelda's design by structuring the map to constantly tease the player with sections of the grid that are visible but require thought on how to access.
shadyspace
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People aim the bombchus? I did what I've always done: Stand right in the middle and just time the obstacles to be out of your path. Got theRevolutionary said:
Biggest Bomb Bag on my second try
Revolutionary
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This is my first time playing the game, but thanks. I've already finished it.shadyspace said:
shadyspace
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I did haven't any targets show up on the left or right both times I tried it. Straight through the middle all three times. Hmm, now that you mention it I do remember that from the N64 version. Either they changed it or the target placement is random.samoset said:
richisawesome said:
It's funny because when the game's first trailer was revealed, the first thing that came to my mind was that it looked a lot like the Minish Cap. I couldn't exactly pinpoint a reason why this was, but it just reminded me of the game. IMO Minish Cap is the best 2D Zelda ever released.
richisawesome said:
I really liked Minish Cap. I thought the overworld was great and I was happy when I heard the director of that game was doing Skyward Sword. There are a few similarities between the two like the focus on forging and important sword, Zelda and Link being childhood friends, and both feature people from the sky.
When it comes to being a metroidvania I wouldn't mind at all. There were already times in other zelda games where you couldn't progress till you had a certain item. Really both Zelda and Metroid are quite similar in certain ways.
dark10x said:
Heh, these were mostly the complaints being argued back in 1998 on this forum.
I do agree though, and nearly a decade later Twilight Princess did nothing to correct these issues, and in many ways was a far worse offender in these same areas.
shadyspace
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Re: the Fishing pond owner
am I crazy or didn't he always have a hat? He had a full head of hair when I went in there as Child Link. Or did he bald during the 7 year gap and that's why he had it?
Brandon F said:
Oh God. I truly do love Twilight Princess but its overwold was a travesty. I remember being so hyped for all the secrets and being so disappointed that, for the most part, it was just a giant, empty plot of land. It was fun to traverse the first time around but after that initial excitement I got bored during the second playthrough. The dungeons, however, are perfect. The towns are pretty good too, especially the canyon-area.
brandonh83
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Yeah I can't stand battle music during games like this, in Alice 2 it fucking sucks. Even worse they decided to implement music that accompanies each strike you make on an enemy. Ugghhh. If Skyward Sword has flaws, that will be one of them.
kunonabi
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yeah the 3D overworlds have always been underwhelming to me. It's one of the reasons I place so much importance on the dungeons. The overworld is a large part of why lttp is still my favorite Zelda game. I really don't like the dull trading sequences or the skulltula/poe nonsense the 3D have relied on. Wind Waker at least felt like a treasure hunt on the high seas. I'm not at the triforce quest yet so that may sour me on it though.
I'm going to pick up OoT and Pilotwings at Target and I'm going to treat it like I'm paying 20 bucks for the 25th anniversary Symphony series, and Orchestrated soundtrack and OoT will just be a nice bonus.
I'm going to pick up OoT and Pilotwings at Target and I'm going to treat it like I'm paying 20 bucks for the 25th anniversary Symphony series, and Orchestrated soundtrack and OoT will just be a nice bonus.
Zelda 1 still reigns as having the best overworld, but LttP is right there with it. Just jam packed with personality as nearly every screen has something to uncover(either lore, treasure, or mere window dressing).
My problem with the portables(LA, Oracle's, Minish) is that the world's are so focused and linear that they barely feel like an actual overworld. 'Exploration' is at the behest of the progression, almost as if each section of the world can be referenced as a 'stage' for the overall quest. They are fantastic games regardless.
My problem with the portables(LA, Oracle's, Minish) is that the world's are so focused and linear that they barely feel like an actual overworld. 'Exploration' is at the behest of the progression, almost as if each section of the world can be referenced as a 'stage' for the overall quest. They are fantastic games regardless.
.hacked
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In my short time playing this port I didn't notice anything new. Sure it looks nicer now but that is it. Not knocking it for the fans but 9.5s and 10s for a game that 9.5s and 10s 13 years ago. Would it have killed them to add a new dungeon or weapon. Having to play two versions side by side to tell any major differences.
I had more fun with the GameCube port, that one I got free with my GameCube and it had MM on the disc as well.
I had more fun with the GameCube port, that one I got free with my GameCube and it had MM on the disc as well.
Majora's Mask is the only 3D one with an overworld that seemed populated at all. It frequently had enemies and was also really, really condensed. It never really bothered me in OoT, but TP's was a drag to go through at times. I feel like WW worked well with what it was doing.
I SERIOUSLY hope MM gets the same treatment OoT just got on the 3DS. The games shared all of the NPC models, so there's already a good chunk of work done.
I SERIOUSLY hope MM gets the same treatment OoT just got on the 3DS. The games shared all of the NPC models, so there's already a good chunk of work done.
brucewaynegretzky
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Brandon F said:
I disagree on LA and Minish, but Oracles are the only Zelda games I've never played. Minish exploration was really fueled by the kinstones thing. And LA had that huge sidequest that had you backtracking everywhere.
Bentendo said:
Replayed TP last year, and I found ONLY the dungeons were the strong highlight for the game. The world is terribly crafted, the town had jack shit to do within(compare Kakariko in TP to even OoT), the difficulty was limp, the economy was broken(leaning FAR too heavilly in favor of the player), much of the progression revolved around forced treasure hunts. Anything NOT involved within the confines of the dungeons was a mess, that made for a poor 'adventure'.
shadyspace
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Wha? Yeah.Chopper said:
olimpia84
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Just came back from Target with the last copy of the game (it was their display "case" actually). Took advantage of their promo and got Pilotwings for half off.
Unfortunately, I completed the survey and didn't get the pop-up message so I wrote customer service an email so here's hoping they will reply soon. If not I will give them a call tonight and see what's up.
BTW I have two spanking new 3DS games but no 3DS to play them on! I think I'm going to buy one tonight even though I really don't need to be spending much money...thanks Nintendo.
Unfortunately, I completed the survey and didn't get the pop-up message so I wrote customer service an email so here's hoping they will reply soon. If not I will give them a call tonight and see what's up.
BTW I have two spanking new 3DS games but no 3DS to play them on! I think I'm going to buy one tonight even though I really don't need to be spending much money...thanks Nintendo.
shadyspace
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Regarding your spoiler: no shit.RagnarokX said:
shadyspace
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Ugh, right? Why'd they just put out a spectacular Blu-Ray transfer of Casablanca? Why not go the extra mile and colorize it?.hacked said:
Picked up a 3DS and a copy of the game this morning... Thanks, Target and Best Buy deals!
I've only had the time to play through the Great Deku Tree, but the intro is just as strong as I remember it. I think what surprised me most about this version of the game is how well the motion controls work. Love using the gyroscope to aim or to quickly look around in conjunction with the L button. I'm playing almost exclusively in 2D anyways, since it takes a lot of effort for me to get the 3D effect (legally blind in one eye), so it's not really a trade-off for me.
Can't wait to continue onward in the game...
I've only had the time to play through the Great Deku Tree, but the intro is just as strong as I remember it. I think what surprised me most about this version of the game is how well the motion controls work. Love using the gyroscope to aim or to quickly look around in conjunction with the L button. I'm playing almost exclusively in 2D anyways, since it takes a lot of effort for me to get the 3D effect (legally blind in one eye), so it's not really a trade-off for me.
Can't wait to continue onward in the game...
Has anyone noticed that they changed (trading quest spoiler)
Just thought it was a strange thing to change.
Fado's dialogue when she's in the Lost Woods and you give her the medicine in exchange for the saw? She used to say something rhyme-like if memory serves but now she specifically states that Kokiri are the exception to becoming Stalfos. She then asks if Link will become one too, maybe hinting at his appearance in Twilight Princess?
Having played Master Quest on GC, it will be really interesting to see some of you first timer's thoughts on some of the dungeon redesigns. Spirit Temple alone had me stumped several times, and while it can be(and was) argued that many of the progression and puzzle changes didn't suit the map layouts quite as nicely as the original, I much preferred the craziness and obtuse path triggers. Really looking for impressions on the upped difficulty too regarding combat.
Damn I really wish you could just type 'Zelda' as your name to access it immediately.
Damn I really wish you could just type 'Zelda' as your name to access it immediately.
brandonh83 said:
Guessing you haven't played Wind Waker or Twilight Princess then? Both of those Zelda games have music that accompanies any hits you make on an enemy - hugely so in Wind Waker in particular.
Bentendo said:
I still remember about 10 years ago when I got OOT on the N64, how amazed I was that whenever I put a bomb next to a gossip stone, it then initiated a lift-off and flew into space never to be seen again.
It still does it in the 3DS version. But alas, no fairy. So yeah, I dunno.
richisawesome said:
Like I said, they completely remade it to be the same. When I say "same", I mean they left the game the way it was without adding anything. They improved the graphics but not much else. Other than the way the Ice Cavern LOOKS did they actually change the layout of the cavern or add any extra features or rooms? No?
It's a graphical remake but that's it really. They didn't take advantage of the development time to add any real new content to the game, actually. Just a boss mode and Master Quest.