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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword |OT| Home of Punkin' Chunkin' Champion 2011
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Aeana said:
I hope you're right. If they can keep it short and to the point, I won't mind too much. When the intro stretches beyond an hour is when I start getting angry. Spending an entire evening just to start the game just sours the experience for me. I can count a few games that have done this to me: Okami, Twilight Princess, Kingdom Hearts. Suikoden V and Persona 4 might count as well, though at least the stories were marginally gripping.
I went a little overboard with my earlier comment about skipping the game entirely due to the intro. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. I don't promise not to bitch about it to hell and back if I don't get to play the first dungeon within a reasonable timeframe.
honeymustardn
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Does anyone know where I could import the limited edition with the Wii remote? VG+ doesn't seem to be selling them for some reason.
Oh gosh, KHII was just waaaaaay too long with the intro. I understand they did it for narrative reasons by my goodness. MM had one of the better intros in the Zelda serious. It just put you right into the action. No explanations or anything. When I first played it as a kid, I was shocked.TheExodu5 said:
kayos90 said:
Yeah KHII was abysmal. 8 hours. 8 hours to "start" the game. At that point, I was just fed up and didn't bother to boot up the game again. Suikoden V is the only other game I've played with an equally slow intro, but at least the story was mildly entertaining, so I wasn't as angry about it...it certainly kills me will to ever want to start it up again, though.
Never played MM.
I'm hoping for a 3DS re-release. That would be fabulous.
That's understandable. I won't claim that the game doesn't have a lengthy intro, but it does at least let you get into the action far sooner than TP did. It's hard to say exactly how long the game takes to get you into the first "dungeon" because of how the world worksTheExodu5 said:
there being lengthy dungeon-like field areas before the actual dungeons themselves
Metroid Killer
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To be honest with Okami it wasn't just the beginning which had pacing problems (can you say the entire game?)
With Twilight Princess, I think that along the 'OoT v2' the pacing problem at the beginning was the points that got the biggest criticism. So naturally it's a bit disheartening to hear that it's not something Nintendo has addressed 'completely'. Of course I have to play it myself to judge properly. I don't mind getting to a real dungeon after a couple of hours as long as those hours have been packed with some entertaining stuff. The problem with TP was that in those hours you did some really slow-paced stuff which really made the first part a real bore.
With Twilight Princess, I think that along the 'OoT v2' the pacing problem at the beginning was the points that got the biggest criticism. So naturally it's a bit disheartening to hear that it's not something Nintendo has addressed 'completely'. Of course I have to play it myself to judge properly. I don't mind getting to a real dungeon after a couple of hours as long as those hours have been packed with some entertaining stuff. The problem with TP was that in those hours you did some really slow-paced stuff which really made the first part a real bore.
Lord_Byron28
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See I agree that TP's intro should've been shorter and there was some fat they could've trimmed but it really annoys me when people complain that it takes 2-3 hours to get into the action. In the first 1/2 hour you go on a quest into the woods to save the monkey and malon, you explore through the woods, fight monsters, obtain keys, get the lantern which solves some puzzles and then save them. Then in the first 1 1/2 you are in a minidungeon(Hyrule prison) and you navigate through there as wolf link solving puzzles and defeating enemies while Midna taunts you to figure it out yourself. I'll agree that it should take less amount of time to get to the first dungeon but there was a lot of action and fun things to do(along with a few tedious things) before you got into the 1st dungeon. Considering he seems to be ignoring the save Malon quest and Hyrule prison minidungeon I doubt he's going to be thrilled with the stuff you have to do before SS' first dungeon. Especially finding the Kikwi section.Aeana said:
Metroid Killer
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Oh yeah, just see me haunt you not twice, not three times, but four times!!!Crunched said:
Kidding aside, I never said Okami wasn't beauitful(or a bad game), I loved Okami, was completely lost in it and didn't want it to end, which then almost happened
. That I could appriciate the pacing doesn't mean that I couldn't see, that looking at it more objectively it had some seriously pacing problems which would affect players who weren't into it as much as I were.How would you know if you never played past the intro?confuziz said:
To the above: the WII version alleviates some of the tedium through skippable cutscenes. The repeated Orochi/spider bits weren't so much pacing issues as they were missed opportunities. They never really slow the game down.
I don't think I've ever been as engrossed with a game as I was with Okami.
Twilight Princess had more serious issues with pacing imo. But it's been a while since I played Okami. Maybe my opinion now would change.
Metroid Killer
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I think people's issue was that those two action segments in the beginning weren't as fun as they should have been. Saving Malon from the monkies was ok, it succeeded in creating a sense of urgency, but the actual 'travel' and action was pretty minimal. And while the part in the Hyrule Prison was interesting(wolf!? midna!? weird enemies! interesting visuals) it just dragged on too long. I would say that both of those action part were in the slow end of the fun spectrum. And slow action together with slow filler created a rather strong reaction against the beginning I think.Lord_Byron28 said:
brandonh83
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sunday
why u no here yet
why u no here yet
Metroid Killer
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The worst offender to me was the fact that you had to go through Faron Woods 3 times before getting access to the dungeon. Once to save Malon, then work your way through it all again as wolf link searching for the bugs, and then one more time as Link. Too much repetition.TheExodu5 said:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The opening of TP would be fine, IMO, if it wasn't for the tear hunt.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
What? Majora's Mask suffers from the exact same problem. You're fucking around with some boring town shit for the first hours. I wish it just dumped you into the action...kayos90 said:
EmCeeGramr
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What gets me is that it spans days. Like, you get up, do a bunch of boring work stuff like herding goats in an unnecessary "here's how to ride your horse that you already rid here" tutorial, bird calling, fishing, doing tutorials for a bunch of annoying small children, and then you have to run through woods to save an annoying brat and a thieving monkey and then you go home to go to sleep WHAT'LL HAPPEN TOMORROW. THEN you have to talk to people, WAIT SOMETHING INTERESTING???, then get turned into a dog, run through a gray sewer dungeon until you get to the end and something interesting finally happens again, then you have to go through a stealth QTE section to get your second sword and first (1st) shield (which you can't use yet) and then you finally go into some woods to hunt bugs that you can only see by using Detective Vision and float around above your dog head so you have to charge up a dumb attack (you are a dog during this whole part, a dog) and then FINALLY you get turned back into a human and you get your outfit and a sword and shield and are allowed to run to the first dungeon.The_Technomancer said:
Metroid Killer
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^Oh god imagine if TP used the same formula as MM! We would never set a foot inside the Forest Temple before Zant's giant moon ass crushed Hyrule!!
There is more to the repetition besides the intro. You travel the river between Lake Hylia and Zora's domain three or four times, for instance.
My biggest problem is still the two fish thing. Why two?? You catch one and nothing happens, which gives you the impression you've missed something or are on the wrong track. What's the purpose of two fish? To make sure the first one wasn't a fluke?
My biggest problem is still the two fish thing. Why two?? You catch one and nothing happens, which gives you the impression you've missed something or are on the wrong track. What's the purpose of two fish? To make sure the first one wasn't a fluke?
EmCeeGramr
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I think the game somehow expected you to catch a fish the instant you got the rod instead of waiting until you get to the cat... and for some reason that first fish wouldn't count??? I don't know.Crunched said:
During a playthrough recently I caught fish in the pond first and THEN went on to get the fish for the cat. The first fish took.
ShockingAlberto
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Majora's Mask had a pretty annoying opening because you can't save and you have to wait until the actual end end of the three days with no ability to get to the end faster even if you've done everything.
Skellig Gra
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To be fair this part only sucks on a re-play because you already know exactly what to do and you are just sitting around waiting for the clock to tick so you can get the ocarina. Your first play through you don't know what is going on at all.BorkBork said:
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
So, wait, looking through that list of mini-games...
No Cave of Ordeals challenge? Boo. Those rocked in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess.
Peterthumpa
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Some Dolphin shots from our Euro version:
Skellig Gra
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It may have been answered already but is the CD the full performance that was given in LA/London or just selections? I was at the LA performance and I'm really hoping for the full thing (although I could do without the ocarina songs part).
hardcastlemccormick
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I played the E3 demo finally and I really liked it. I am definitely on board for this.
Those Dolphin shots are amazing.
Those Dolphin shots are amazing.
brandonh83
Banned
BY2K said:
I mean... a few obvious things aside I think it looks quite beautiful. It probably looks better there than it's going to on my Samsung
Skellig Gra
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Damn, do you know which ones?GJS said:
Damon Bennet
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I love it. Just got the skyward sword. Love the details and everything. cant wait to get into the action
brandonh83
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Damon Bennet said:
spoilers are seriously getting out of hand here.
TheCongressman1
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brandonh83 said:
Yeah, I think it looks fantastic. I like that you can see the texture of the brush strokes here. The only real problem is that the characters and objects now look to sharp for the environments.