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[wrowa]

It was painful, though.

If you want to make us explore...don't tell us what to do! Finding those Kikwi's doesn't make the game more fun, it just adds more annoying 'find this so you can do this'. If we want to explore, we will.

But when you design an area to resemble something like a dungeon you can't make exploring voluntary, in that case the complete idea behind it would become meaningless.

 

[oatmeal]

Does she pop up automatically, or does her icon just flash or something, together with the usual beeping noise?

She pops up automatically all the time...and then she has an annoying alert sound when she wants to be brought out for air and to tell you something pointless.

 

[oatmeal]

But when you design an area to resemble something like a dungeon you can't make exploring voluntary, in that case the complete idea behind it would become meaningless.

The mountain and the desert feel more like a dungeon because they have puzzles.

The forest feels nothing like a dungeon.

 

[Dr.Hadji]

A few years ago you couldn't find anyone who liked Midna. Now Fi is awful, and Midna is loved.


Zelda cycle runs deep.

No sir. Just like the speed of light, Minda love is a constant.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

She pops up automatically all the time...and then she has an annoying alert sound when she wants to be brought out for air and to tell you something pointless.

lol that sounds terrible

 

[ameleco]

Skyward's Sword opening is less about explaining the basics of the game, than introducing you to the setup of the world and its characters. It's really charming and well made.

There are dull-tasks, and unneccessary text boxes too, one can't deny that, but that's really not the main part of it.

Sure, you might dislike the story (Personally, I think it's presented wonderfully and I really like the way Zelda and other characters are portrayed), but calling it a long tutorial isn't doing it justice.

Sounds like I'll be happy if the experience itself ends up being better than the sum of its parts as you said it is.

 

[butter_stick]

*low on health*
*Link FLASHES RED*
*Game has CONSTANT BEEP*
*UNIQUE FI SOUND SO SHE CAN TELL YOU YOU'RE LOW ON HEALTH IF YOU PRESS DOWN ON D-PAD*

 

[Togglesworlh]

Well, I'm glad I can get my hopes and dreams for a Zelda game without super-slow walls of text and annoying sidekicks out of the way BEFORE I get the game, this time.

Gives me time to prepare.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

*low on health*
*Link FLASHES RED*
*Game has CONSTANT BEEP*
*UNIQUE FI SOUND SO SHE CAN TELL YOU YOU'RE LOW ON HEALTH IF YOU PRESS DOWN ON D-PAD*

I gather heart pieces in WW/TP not because the game is hard, but because I'm so sick of the constant beeping sound. I know I'm low on health Nintendo, I'm not a complete idiot, stop treating me like one. Seems the tradition continues.

 

[Refreshment.01]

I'm up to

Spoiler

Water Dragon shit

...

So far the kikwi crap was the worst. The key shards and power stuff was much more fun.

Won't say anything of the proceeding parts. However yours is one of the judgments im looking forward to hear since from what i can see you keep your head cool when talking about the game.

Exploration should never be forced upon the player. The player should want to explore for reasons made evident by the game: hidden treasures, shortcuts, beautiful scenery, landmarks, or some form of reward.

When I'm playing Skyrim and see a huge statue on the top of a mountain, I don't think to myself "I'm only going to go there if they give me a quest to go there", I think "oh, wow, cool! A giant statue! I wonder what's up there?".

Exellent analisys about exploration The Exodu, however don't mention the other Sky game because fanatics will question your motifs

If the intro is truly charming then I might not mind as much, but I'm not holding my breath, as I can't say I've ever been charmed by a Zelda game before...at least not in the way that I might be charmed by something Mario & Luigi (I could listen to Fawful all day long).

The intro is better than Twilight Princess.

The companion in Skyward Sword its an amazing concept that Nintendo fucked up in practice.

 

[TheExodu5]

If the intro is truly charming then I might not mind as much, but I'm not holding my breath, as I can't say I've ever been charmed by a Zelda game before...at least not in the way that I might be charmed by something Mario & Luigi (I could listen to Fawful all day long).

 

[butter_stick]

If the intro is truly charming then I might not mind as much, but I'm not holding my breath, as I can't say I've ever been charmed by a Zelda game before...at least not in the way that I might be charmed by something Mario & Luigi (I could listen to Fawful all day long).

The game is very charming. You'll like the setting and characters at least. But it does the same things Zelda has always done to make you feel completely patronised.

 

[TheExodu5]

The game is very charming. You'll like the setting and characters at least. But it does the same things Zelda has always done to make you feel completely patronised.

I'll keeping my hopes up, then. Although I don't know anything about him, the villain is looking mighty interesting to me. Link and Zelda are seemingly as blissfully ignorant as ever though. Keep in mind, these are just my impressions from reviews and gameplay videos, and not from actually playing the game.

 

[oatmeal]

Won't say anything of the proceeding parts. However yours is one of the judgments im looking forward to hear since from what i can see you keep your head cool when talking about the game.

Cool. STAY TUNED

I'm a big Zelda fan, having collected so many versions of the games (JAP/UK) just because...but maybe I'm outgrowing the franchise a little bit? I still really enjoy it, but the experience just isn't seamless.

There's so many times where I'm just hacking the A button in frustration, trying to tell the game to hurry up already.

Another horrible offender is the NPC's. Especially in mini-games.

No I don't want to hear your little tongue-in-cheek joke again, just ask "PLAY AGAIN - YES/NO" and I will select.

 

[TheExodu5]

Cool. STAY TUNED

I'm a big Zelda fan, having collected so many versions of the games (JAP/UK) just because...but maybe I'm outgrowing the franchise a little bit? I still really enjoy it, but the experience just isn't seamless.

There's so many times where I'm just hacking the A button in frustration, trying to tell the game to hurry up already.

Another horrible offender is the NPC's. Especially in mini-games.

No I don't want to hear your little tongue-in-cheek joke again, just ask "PLAY AGAIN - YES/NO" and I will select.

God help me if there's a "Would you like to hear this explanation again" line with "Yes" selected by default.

 

[butter_stick]

Cool. STAY TUNED

I'm a big Zelda fan, having collected so many versions of the games (JAP/UK) just because...but maybe I'm outgrowing the franchise a little bit? I still really enjoy it, but the experience just isn't seamless.

There's so many times where I'm just hacking the A button in frustration, trying to tell the game to hurry up already.

Another horrible offender is the NPC's. Especially in mini-games.

No I don't want to hear your little tongue-in-cheek joke again, just ask "PLAY AGAIN - YES/NO" and I will select.

Have you played the pumpkin game?

 

[oatmeal]

Have you played the pumpkin game?

Carrying the 5 pumpkins?

Yes.

That was...BY FUCKING FAR...the worst thing that happened to me that day.

(EDIT)
The worst part was I kept reading the instructions backwards...I went left when I should have went right. For like a half-hour.

But...Jesus...I know that your dad said I'd help, you've said it fifty times already.

 

[oatmeal]

God help me if there's a "Would you like to hear this explanation again" line with "Yes" selected by default.

This doesn't have anything selected by default, this one has the 'flick wrist left/right' depending on answer thing.

Which I constantly fuck up because you go right and it goes to the right, but your wrist relaxes and slightly goes left and you shoot over to the left just in time to hit the button and hear the explanation again.

 

[snesfreak]

LOL.
All this nitpicking treating non-issues like huge game-breaking problems is getting ridiculous.
Don't take the crap they're spewing seriously, they're just desperately trying to find something to bitch about in a damn amazing game.

 

[oatmeal]

LOL.
All this nitpicking treating non-issues like huge game-breaking problems is getting ridiculous.
Don't take the crap they're spewing seriously, they're just desperately trying to find something to bitch about in a damn amazing game.

Sorry. Try again.

These are legitimate issues when the game steals any sense of adventure you might get a lot of the time. And the game force feeds you answers to clever puzzles, destroying any satisfaction you'd get from solving it.

 

[Anth0ny]

Fi is 100000000000000000x worse than Navi.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Carrying the 5 pumpkins?

Yes.

That was...BY FUCKING FAR...the worst thing that happened to me that day.

just wow... you don't have a good time with this game, do you?

 

[TheExodu5]

LOL.
All this nitpicking treating non-issues like huge game-breaking problems is getting ridiculous.
Don't take the crap they're spewing seriously, they're just desperately trying to find something to bitch about in a damn amazing game.

Are you to suggest our complaints aren't valid? Why is Zelda suddenly immune to criticism? I'm criticising the games because I want them to improve. I'm not going to validate poor design choices.

 

[Dascu]

Are you to suggest our complaints aren't valid? Why is Zelda suddenly immune to criticism? I'm criticising the games because I want them to improve. I'm not going to validate poor design choices.

It's possible that some of these complaints are exaggerations. I'm sure that a substantial amount of puzzles in the game do not have Fi spoiling them.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Carrying the 5 pumpkins?

Yes.

That was...BY FUCKING FAR...the worst thing that happened to me that day.

Oh god this. It's just a badly designed minigame. The character controls just don't lend themselves to this type of shit. Especially with the obstacles lying in your way. It's not impossible, and it's not even that hard if you take your time but it's just not fun. Everything else I have absolutely no problem with. The bamboo cutting is kinda just there and Fun Fun Island is actually fun.

Fi is 100000000000000000x worse than Navi.

No way.

 

[butter_stick]

Carrying the 5 pumpkins?

Yes.

That was...BY FUCKING FAR...the worst thing that happened to me that day.

(EDIT)
The worst part was I kept reading the instructions backwards...I went left when I should have went right. For like a half-hour.

But...Jesus...I know that your dad said I'd help, you've said it fifty times already.

:lol seriously. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to make the instructions longer than the game.

 

[Synless]

So how is the orchestra cd? How many tracks?

 

[butter_stick]

Fi is 100000000000000000x worse than Navi.

Agreed. I like Navi though.

 

[Xane]

As with Navi in OoT, I feel to be the only one who did not mind Navi / Fi at all.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

A few years ago you couldn't find anyone who liked Midna. Now Fi is awful, and Midna is loved.


Zelda cycle runs deep.

???

Even when TP first released I remember Midna's character arc listed as a huge positive. I remember people complaining about her in the first 2 or 3 dungeons but after that I recall a lot of compliments and in fact most people saying she was the only part of the story that people liked.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

So how is the orchestra cd? How many tracks?

6 tracks, 45 min. pretty great, as soon as I stop playing, I listen to the soundtrack. Same the other way around

 

[Kard8p3]

I haven't played this yet but I'm sure it'll be an amazing game. With that being said I'd love to see EAD Tokyo do the WiiU Zelda game. Have Yokota as the main composer and Koizumi as director and story writer. Koizumi even seemed like he really wanted to do the next Zelda back at E3.

 

[weeaboo]

Fi is 100000000000000000x worse than Navi.

Yup, Fi is awful, she just can't shut up

 

[Synless]

6 tracks, 45 min. pretty great, as soon as I stop playing, I listen to the soundtrack. Same the other way around

Are the six tracks multiple songs compiled together, or just really long? 45 minutes is long for just six songs.

 

[marc^o^]

Sorry. Try again.

These are legitimate issues when the game steals any sense of adventure you might get a lot of the time. And the game force feeds you answers to clever puzzles, destroying any satisfaction you'd get from solving it.

I don't know what you are talking about. I'm in the third dungeon and I've been stuck several times with clever puzzles. You can ask Fai to help you, but you are not forced to ask for her help.

And yes, the game is glorious, it has little annoyances, it still is glorious.

 

[Anth0ny]

Agreed. I like Navi though.

Yeah. I never understood the hate.

Fi stops you dead in your tracks to tell you useless shit more times in the first 40 minutes of SS than Navi does in all of Ocarina of Time.

 

[ksamedi]

I actually like Fi. Especially the dancing

The intro is way better than TP. Atleast you go into a mini dungeon pretty quick. TP had the horrible wolf sections. SS gains major momentum right after you land in the first area and never stops.

I'm really enjoying this game.

 

[Alrus]

So is Fi worse than Issun from Okami or is she better? (I believe Issun is the worst sidekick in videogame history btw)

 

[Aeana]

Yup, Fi is awful, she just can't shut up

I find this so odd. She pops up sometimes but usually it's just after a story scene or something. Or to tell you about a new dowsing target or something like that. I've never been annoyed with her popping up in the cases when she does it automatically.

I have a laundry list of complaints with the game (one of which almost made me decide to just put the game down without even bothering to finish it), but I do not get the big deal about Fi.

 

[Togglesworlh]

LOL.
All this nitpicking treating non-issues like huge game-breaking problems is getting ridiculous.
Don't take the crap they're spewing seriously, they're just desperately trying to find something to bitch about in a damn amazing game.

No, these sort of things have been real issues in Zelda since OoT.

It's AMAZING to me that there's still no real SKIP TEXT SUPER QUICKLY option when I open a chest. YES I KNOW IT'S A SMALL KEY YES I KNOW IT'S A RUPEE JESUS SHUT UP GAME.

Unless people are lying and that does exist in Skyward Sword.

Even if it does, when people are talking in Zelda games, they talk real slow. I can read faster than a five-year-old, thank you.

I also don't enjoy having my hand held by the game. Allow me the luxury of turning off hints. I DON'T WANT THEM UNTIL I'M ACTUALLY STUCK. EDIT: Apparently this is not an issue according to a few posts above this. That's good. Check that box.

The little shit adds up. It is a hindrance to my enjoyment of the game. I have yet to play a Zelda game I did not love, but that doesn't mean the series is without fault.

OVERABUNDANCE OF CAPS LOCK.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Are the six tracks multiple songs compiled together, or just really long? 45 minutes is long for just six songs.

Sorry, there are 8 tracks:

1. Track 1 - 8'08''
2. Kakariko Village - Twilight Princess Theme - 2'50"
3. The Wind Waker Symphony Movement - 10'31"
4. Gerudo Valley - 3'36"
5. Great Fairy's Fountain Theme - 3'03"
6. Twilight Princess Symphonic Movement - 10'31''
7. The Legend of Zelda Main Theme Medley - 4'28''
8. Ballad of the Goddes from Skyward Sword - 2'02''

Edit: "Track 1" is kind of an intro...

 

[TheCongressman1]

???

Even when TP first released I remember Midna's character arc listed as a huge positive. I remember people complaining about her in the first 2 or 3 dungeons but after that I recall a lot of compliments and in fact most people saying she was the only part of the story that people liked.

Maybe around here, but some other Zelda communities seemed to hate her at the time. I've always like her, myself.

 

[TheExodu5]

I didn't play much of TP, but Midna seemed mildly interesting to me. Probably the most interesting Zelda character I had seen to date.

 

[confuziz]

I GOT ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. omgomgomgit'sbeentoolong

 

[Prinny]

This doesn't have anything selected by default, this one has the 'flick wrist left/right' depending on answer thing.

Which I constantly fuck up because you go right and it goes to the right, but your wrist relaxes and slightly goes left and you shoot over to the left just in time to hit the button and hear the explanation again.

You can use the analog stick instead of moving the wiimote.

 

[TheExodu5]

I need to decide whether I'm playing on Wii or Dolphin. How is the game on Dolphin?

 

[Dr.Hadji]

Maybe around here, but some other Zelda communities seemed to hate her at the time. I've always like her, myself.

Come to think of it. I think I remember fans being upset that she treats Link so poorly at the start to the game.

 

[Anth0ny]

No, these sort of things have been real issues in Zelda since OoT.

It's AMAZING to me that there's still no real SKIP TEXT SUPER QUICKLY option when I open a chest. YES I KNOW IT'S A SMALL KEY YES I KNOW IT'S A RUPEE JESUS SHUT UP GAME.

Unless people are lying and that does exist in Skyward Sword.

Even if it does, when people are talking in Zelda games, they talk real slow. I can read faster than a five-year-old, thank you.

I also don't enjoy having my hand held by the game. Allow me the luxury of turning off hints. I DON'T WANT THEM UNTIL I'M ACTUALLY STUCK.

The little shit adds up. It is a hindrance to my enjoyment of the game. I have yet to play a Zelda game I did not love, but that doesn't mean the series is without fault.

OVERABUNDANCE OF CAPS LOCK.

Yeah, so true. I have read "You got a small key! It can be used to unlock a door in this dungeon! It can only be used once" an unfathomable amount of times. It really makes you appreciate the original Zelda. Key appears, you pick that shit up. GET IT? You can even use them in other dungeons!

A way to skip text/cutscenes would really make me want to replay the games more. Could you imagine TP with skippable dialogue? That intro wouldn't be a problem at all.

 

[Aeana]

Yeah, so true. I have read "You got a small key! It can be used to unlock a door in this dungeon! It can only be used once" an unfathomable amount of times. It really makes you appreciate the original Zelda. Key appears, you pick that shit up. You can even use them in other dungeons!

A way to skip text/cutscenes would really make me want to replay the games more. Could you imagine TP with skippable dialogue? That intro wouldn't be a problem at all.

You can at least skip some scenes in SS with 2.

 

[TheExodu5]

Yeah, so true. I have read "You got a small key! It can be used to unlock a door in this dungeon! It can only be used once" an unfathomable amount of times. It really makes you appreciate the original Zelda. Key appears, you pick that shit up. GET IT? You can even use them in other dungeons!

A way to skip text/cutscenes would really make me want to replay the games more. Could you imagine TP with skippable dialogue? That intro wouldn't be a problem at all.

I want a Zelda with no dialogue at all. Not a single word. That would be grand.