PepsimanVsJoe
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Rummy Bunnz
Member
Supposedly moving the DLC to a memory card/USB stick fixes the stuttering in Futari. That or installing the game to a USB stick, can't remember which. I've done both but haven't played the game since doing so.
After getting a cab I was shocked by how much better some games felt. On my first runs I was putting up much higher scores than I was ever capable of in emulation. I'd thought it might be a placebo effect until I saw that first shmups thread on the subject. It seemed to explain a lot! Batrider's one of the laggiest games on that list. I never cared for it in emulation. But then I played the PCB and fell in love. It just felt like a different game. I wouldn't be surprised if it's all in my head though. It's not like I was emulating the games on a 29" monitor. Everything feels better on one of those.
Huh. I didn't know there was any dispute over those input lag numbers. What did the MAME guys say about it?Tain said:
After getting a cab I was shocked by how much better some games felt. On my first runs I was putting up much higher scores than I was ever capable of in emulation. I'd thought it might be a placebo effect until I saw that first shmups thread on the subject. It seemed to explain a lot! Batrider's one of the laggiest games on that list. I never cared for it in emulation. But then I played the PCB and fell in love. It just felt like a different game. I wouldn't be surprised if it's all in my head though. It's not like I was emulating the games on a 29" monitor. Everything feels better on one of those.
Finally got around to trying the new HRAP VX-SE. Played some Mushi Futari with it. Overall, I'd rank it below the HRAP EX-SE. Same parts and all, so plays the same, but it does not have that nice crisp metal feeling that the EX-SE has, likely because it lacks the older model's thick, thick metal faceplate (i'm guessing). More of a low dull sound now...possibly due to its more rubbery surface and it is, consequently, slightly less appealing. A bit jarring since I'm so used to the feel and sounds of the EX-SE. Also, a much more quiet stick...a negative since I like shooter sticks nice and loud for aural feedback. Your milage may vary but I still maintain that the best shooter stick for 360 is Hori's last generation model. Gotta give props to the angled edge on the new version, though...very comfortable for shooter games since the hands move less. Nice addition! And it is a stunner from the looks department. No denying that.
Hopefully VX-SE makes it stateside this year. I'd love to get a second.
Hopefully VX-SE makes it stateside this year. I'd love to get a second.
mjemirzian
Banned
Can't beat those pro seimitsu parts eh?
iconoclast
Member
The DOJ BLEX patch is out on January 20th.
http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ddpdojblex/info.html
http://www.cave-stg.com/?p=827
Guess that's when I'll finally crack into my copy of the game.
http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ddpdojblex/info.html
http://www.cave-stg.com/?p=827
Guess that's when I'll finally crack into my copy of the game.
mjemirzian
Banned
I'll repost a portion of a good comment I saw on Andrisang.
"I've always thought that this game was unfairly brutalized in online media. The stolen source code and insane wait are indeed shameful, but the actual bugs were completely blown out of proportion. All of a sudden, everyone online became an expert in shooting games and said how the bugs made the game unplayable and some bullshit. The only obvious problems are related to loading times and some other interface annoyances, which are a nuisance but won't cause any problems once you start playing the game.
99% of players will probably never encounter or notice these bugs, they only show up in very specific scenarios and won't ruin a game. Unless you're good enough to fully chain both loops of white label, you won't really notice many problems. I've heard that the game can freeze on the 2nd loop of WL, but I've done it many times and never seen this. I can promise that almost everyone that bitched about these bugs would never be able to talk about them unless they had that list.
Also, the Black Label port is nearly perfect and bug-free. Even Mihara mentioned this in his blog, yet for some reason no news outlets bashing 5pb ever mentioned this. It never received any exposure and all of the experts online assumed that the BL port was bugged."
Also see: http://www.cave-stg.com/?p=800
"5.) Dodonpachi Daioujou Black Label (Japanese X360) ~90-95% slowdown accuracy. Quite an accurate, playable port, contrary to popular belief. Speed algorithm on the true last boss is altered making it more difficult (to be fixed in the patch, if/when that is released). White label on this port has some game-breaking glitches (game usually freezes in 2-2), and is not worth playing unless a patch is released."
In other words, expert players agree that Black Label was a nearly perfect 360 port, and if you want White Label, you can play the PS2 ver. IMO most people complained about the minor bugs, interface quirks, etc. as a flimsy excuse to avoid playing such a difficult game, and can't even tell the difference between black and white labels.
"I've always thought that this game was unfairly brutalized in online media. The stolen source code and insane wait are indeed shameful, but the actual bugs were completely blown out of proportion. All of a sudden, everyone online became an expert in shooting games and said how the bugs made the game unplayable and some bullshit. The only obvious problems are related to loading times and some other interface annoyances, which are a nuisance but won't cause any problems once you start playing the game.
99% of players will probably never encounter or notice these bugs, they only show up in very specific scenarios and won't ruin a game. Unless you're good enough to fully chain both loops of white label, you won't really notice many problems. I've heard that the game can freeze on the 2nd loop of WL, but I've done it many times and never seen this. I can promise that almost everyone that bitched about these bugs would never be able to talk about them unless they had that list.
Also, the Black Label port is nearly perfect and bug-free. Even Mihara mentioned this in his blog, yet for some reason no news outlets bashing 5pb ever mentioned this. It never received any exposure and all of the experts online assumed that the BL port was bugged."
Also see: http://www.cave-stg.com/?p=800
"5.) Dodonpachi Daioujou Black Label (Japanese X360) ~90-95% slowdown accuracy. Quite an accurate, playable port, contrary to popular belief. Speed algorithm on the true last boss is altered making it more difficult (to be fixed in the patch, if/when that is released). White label on this port has some game-breaking glitches (game usually freezes in 2-2), and is not worth playing unless a patch is released."
In other words, expert players agree that Black Label was a nearly perfect 360 port, and if you want White Label, you can play the PS2 ver. IMO most people complained about the minor bugs, interface quirks, etc. as a flimsy excuse to avoid playing such a difficult game, and can't even tell the difference between black and white labels.
Pretty much.
It is a great disc with an extra 360 mode that is fun all in and of itself. No problems here except the initial loading and the lack of ability to play without the heavy-ish filter.
It also has a really great and extensive art gallery with tons of sketches that are neat to check out on an HD screen.
And it has a fantastic package. Must have with or without the patch.
It is a great disc with an extra 360 mode that is fun all in and of itself. No problems here except the initial loading and the lack of ability to play without the heavy-ish filter.
It also has a really great and extensive art gallery with tons of sketches that are neat to check out on an HD screen.
And it has a fantastic package. Must have with or without the patch.
Rummy Bunnz said:
There's no doubt that jamming your face up in there on a real setup helps. The numbers shown in that thread aren't incorrect, either. I haven't seen much of a response from MAME's developers, but I'm just going by how MAME was made.
ShmupMAME reduces lag by altering the sprite buffer in a given hardware's driver. Since some drivers have a sprite buffer that cause delay (cave.c) and others do not (nemesis.c), why should I believe that the MAME team's representation of certain games is inaccurate? Why should I believe that these are oversights and not the developers intentionally building a sprite buffer that behaves in a certain fashion? As far as I can tell, nobody has actually tested these real PCBs and released any actual evidence that they are delay-free; is it that unbelievable that the actual DoDonPachi has a frame or two of delay?
I wish I had the gear to test the actual PCBs!
mjemirzian
Banned
Absolutely. The majority of detractors are clueless, running around shouting "bugs!", "stolen code!", and "shit port!". This includes the majority of bloggers, commenters, and forum posters. These are bandwagoners who like shouting things and have no idea what they're talking about - they probably don't even know that there's several different versions of DOJ on the disc. The difficulty of DOJ would knock such irreverent, ignorant players directly on their ass, so it's safe to say they would never touch the game patched or not. Example.
The other detractors are people who occasionally play shmups using the port issues as an excuse to avoid playing it. Even when it's pointed out that it's an accurate, well made port, they'll ignore the post only to resurface later complaining about the exact same things that were refuted. See this thread for a good example. And if you think a graphics filter, initial load times, or quirky UI issues are preventing you from playing or enjoying a shmup, DOJ probably isn't for you. It's certainly not a game that can be played casually, unless you like wiping on 1-3 for all eternity. Now if these players would just be honest and say "I'm not playing DOJ because it would kick my ass six ways from sunday", there wouldn't be an issue.
How many people will start playing DOJ BL 360 seriously with the patch? None. Anyone who's serious about it has been playing all this time since it's already an accurate, quality port, such as the experts I've already quoted. EOJ is one of the few players in NA who can reach the 2nd loop of DOJ, for example.
The other detractors are people who occasionally play shmups using the port issues as an excuse to avoid playing it. Even when it's pointed out that it's an accurate, well made port, they'll ignore the post only to resurface later complaining about the exact same things that were refuted. See this thread for a good example. And if you think a graphics filter, initial load times, or quirky UI issues are preventing you from playing or enjoying a shmup, DOJ probably isn't for you. It's certainly not a game that can be played casually, unless you like wiping on 1-3 for all eternity. Now if these players would just be honest and say "I'm not playing DOJ because it would kick my ass six ways from sunday", there wouldn't be an issue.
How many people will start playing DOJ BL 360 seriously with the patch? None. Anyone who's serious about it has been playing all this time since it's already an accurate, quality port, such as the experts I've already quoted. EOJ is one of the few players in NA who can reach the 2nd loop of DOJ, for example.
To be fair, it is one of the earliest shooter games to appear of J-360 and got a bunch of grief because of the UI problems (rightfully so). Many had not gotten a J-360 yet and these same people likely already had the fantastic PS2 port so were happy to hold out for the patch...that became a running joke. In the last year+ most everybody here with a J-360 has picked up the title once the patch became routinely blogged about on the official blog.
I don't think anybody is avoiding these games cause they are hard...they are all hard!
Now Deathsmiles IIX and the communities problem with that is bewildering. Such an awesome port with genuinely new material and game formats unique to the 360.
I don't think anybody is avoiding these games cause they are hard...they are all hard!
Now Deathsmiles IIX and the communities problem with that is bewildering. Such an awesome port with genuinely new material and game formats unique to the 360.
iconoclast
Member
Yes Boss! said:
Yeah, pretty much. I got DOJ (and several other Japan-only games) for Christmas, and by that time I figured why sink a bunch of time into the game when the patch is probably just around the corner.
Besides, I think most Cave fans with a J360 have already played plenty of Ketsui, which is presumably just as hard as DOJ Black Label, if not harder. I doubt difficulty is putting anyone off.
And Deathsmiles 2 is indeed a good game. It's just ugly as shit (in arcade mode, anyway).
mjemirzian
Banned
Disagree with that. DOJ is in a whole other realm of hard, even for Cave games. Yes, harder than wave 2 of Ketsui. Hibachi alone makes doom look like a mini-boss.Yes Boss! said:
Dodonpachi Dai-ou-jou (2nd loop)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtFkpldJSpY (original daioujou)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ah2ah2QaA (black label version)
If mushi futari ultra is the hardest 1 loop cave shooter, doj is definitely the hardest 2 loop shooter.
Yeah, I'll never get there. The majority of folks buying these games likely won't either.
All I meant that there are a significant amount of fans that just plain enjoy playing and collecting the games and are perfectly happy only getting a few stages into the each one...and maybe trying to best their individual score a liitle bit each time and, perhaps, advancing a little further after playing for awhile. From that pespective all titles function the same.
All I meant that there are a significant amount of fans that just plain enjoy playing and collecting the games and are perfectly happy only getting a few stages into the each one...and maybe trying to best their individual score a liitle bit each time and, perhaps, advancing a little further after playing for awhile. From that pespective all titles function the same.
mjemirzian
Banned
hmm.. I don't think you're going to progress very far in DOJ without hours of dedicated playtime a day. It can't be dinked around with and it doesn't have a novice mode.. although X-Mode is certainly easier and will probably appeal more to the casual crowd.. but again you can play that mode perfectly fine right now.
mjemirzian
Banned
mjemirzian
Banned
Patch is now live a day early for some reason. Load times are reduced, UI remembers your stage select settings between matches, x-mode unlocked from the start, etc.
Stage select still doesn't let you choose lives, bombs, power up level, etc.
Edit: not surprisingly, nobody cares.. much ado about nothing, IMO
Stage select still doesn't let you choose lives, bombs, power up level, etc.
Edit: not surprisingly, nobody cares.. much ado about nothing, IMO
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Daioujou is apparently still a blurry piece of shit after the patch.
Meaning I have a copy of Dodonpachi Daioujou for the 360 for sale!
Gonna rebuy the PS2 one.
Meaning I have a copy of Dodonpachi Daioujou for the 360 for sale!
Gonna rebuy the PS2 one.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Really? I just patched my copy and it looks clear.Chacranajxy said:
EDIT: Nevermind hooked it up and TATE'd it and it is still quite blurry. I thought they turned off the filter?
iconoclast
Member
Glad to see the patch out early. Just spent some time playing it and it's pretty nice. I'm not really noticing any blurriness, but I don't play in TATE, and at least it still looks way better than the unpatched version with that nasty filter. X-Mode is pretty fun too. Never got to try it before since it unlocked after 6 hours of play or something.
Now to work on not sucking. Almost made it to the stage 4 boss on my best run so far with A-S. I would've had an embarrassing replay to upload too, but it didn't let me for some reason. I'm guessing it doesn't let you upload replays if you use the restart option?
Now to work on not sucking. Almost made it to the stage 4 boss on my best run so far with A-S. I would've had an embarrassing replay to upload too, but it didn't let me for some reason. I'm guessing it doesn't let you upload replays if you use the restart option?
To Far Away Times
Member
Yes Boss! said:
Damn that looks nice. Does it have a base underneath it or does it have to hang off the edge of the table? Could you sit it on your lap?
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
More details on the February event:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/21/cave_event/
Official site for the event is now open:
http://www.cave.co.jp/event/cave2011/
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/21/cave_event/
Official site for the event is now open:
http://www.cave.co.jp/event/cave2011/
sixteen-bit
Member
It does have a base and is suitable for lap play. The top plate hangs off like that so it can be sided as a grip when transporting the thing.To Far Away Times said:
Chiaroscuro
Member
HAL 9000 said:
Yes, both normal and LE are region-free.
I really like to shop Ami Ami: www.amiami.jp/shop/?set=english
Update is great! Nice and crisp and very saturated/contrasty now. Initial load times are still a little bit of a hump and not instant like Ketsui but much, much quicker. The disc is now great.
Best thing is it kept all my stats...gameplay times and achievment status bars. That would have been a kick in the balls to lose that since I love when games track total gameplay time like all the Nintendo titles.
Success!
Best thing is it kept all my stats...gameplay times and achievment status bars. That would have been a kick in the balls to lose that since I love when games track total gameplay time like all the Nintendo titles.
Success!
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
When Daifukkatsu BL was announced, I thought it looked pretty good but sort of dismissed it because I would rather spend that money on Pink Sweets/MMP. However, I've just had a look at it on Playasia and somehow never knew it wasn't a full price release! £38 is a great price, so may just be adding this to my preorder list
AmiAmi has it for £31.5 which is a steal. Just had to preorder it even though I don't have a console to play it. Will be a nice addition to the collection though.JustAnotherOtaku said:When Daifukkatsu BL was announced, I thought it looked pretty good but sort of dismissed it because I would rather spend that money on Pink Sweets/MMP. However, I've just had a look at it on Playasia and somehow never knew it wasn't a full price release! £38 is a great price, so may just be adding this to my preorder list
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
hipgnosis said:
What are AmiAmi like for UKers? Just had a quick look at their FAQ page and they don't seem to mark down for customs. What price is their shipping and how long does it take?
I ordered DFK LE from them and the shipping (cheaper shipping option) was £7.5, that was a bigger box so the costs are pretty basic. My item arrived quickly and was well packed so I was really satisfied with my order. They don't mark down the prices so it might be risky regarding customs. I live in Finland so I didn't have to actually pay anything extra even though I had to pick it up from the customs. They only accept paypal as a payment option.JustAnotherOtaku said:
I was pretty impressed with them so I now have ordered Eschatos and DFK BL from them too.
British Monsoon
Member
I'm in the UK and I'll be using AmiAmi for the first time with my DFK BL & MMP/Pink Sweets order - hoping that I don't draw the attention of customs. However, if you want to avoid customs charges at all costs then I'd suggest going with YesAsia to be sure. They're far slower than anyone else, but I've ordered dozens of packages from them and not a single one got picked up for customs charges.
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
hipgnosis said:
Thanks for the info. See I get all my Japanese stuff from a friend in Hong Kong. It's generally a pound or two cheaper than PA and only the same for postage so it is essentially PA prices, no risk of customs and I get it usually in 3-5 days. I'll probably just stick with him for this, but it's good to know AmiAmi is an option if he can't get something for me.
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
Bootaaay said:
Yeah, YesAsia ship stuff to Europe from Germany (or somewhere else in Europe) so no customs. I use them now and again, but I stopped using them for preorders a few years ago as literally 70% of them went missing. They always resend stuff, but it takes about a month for them to do so + standard delivery time.
Zavvi.com is fairly cheap, I think the total would be somewhere around 30 bucks: http://www.zavvi.com/games/platforms/xbox-360/deathsmiles-deluxe-edition/10296497.htmlYes Boss! said:
Does amazon.co.uk ship to US? That might be a good place also and they should be pretty reliable and fast at least: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004IK9Y9G/ref=s9_simh_gw_p63_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1DCKB6RCZZFD63Q27QRX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294
By the way here is a new trailer for the PAL Deathsmiles, pretty cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzzetoCS-w4
Phoenix Fang
Banned
Chiaroscuro said:
How do you check for an order on that website?
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Yes Boss! said:
Be prepared to wait at least 1 month, and fear about not getting it at all if the game gets a very limited shipment.
A lot has changed since I was pimping Zavvi to NA gaffers as the place to get NOE-only Wii/DS releases. Even if they're under the same parent company, in my experience The Hut is a bit less shitty these days.
I don't think Amazon UK ships videogames overseas, but if it does I advise you go with that one if you care a lot about the game.
Gameplay, Gamestation/GAME and the others are all more expensive but definitely more reliable... Even slow as fuck Play.com is better than Zavvi.
Only use it if you're content with getting games really cheap but weeks later, I do that only when building my backlog.
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
Dash Kappei said:
I'd agree with this unfortunately. Even to me in the UK, it usually takes 1-2 weeks to get Zavvi stuff. But with TheHut, it's next day (or at least it was with LBP2 which was posted on Thursday and arrived on Friday).
Yes Boss!, I'm pretty sure I have a 15% off voucher for Zavvi. If you want to get it quicker, I don't mind preordering it for you and shipping it on to you. Give me a PM if you want.
CadetMahoney
Member
Yes Boss! said:
The actual stick itself looks awesome though. How much did u pay for it. Soz for going OT.
Totally, TOTALLY expensive. I had to order it through a courier since it was amazon Japan exclusive (via Tenso with _dementia's awesome help since I had trouble with japanese). I think it ended up at about $280. Pricey, yes, but not a big deal since it is a stick and I'm used to paying $200-$250 for a lot of these things. I don't use most of them but the Hori seimitsu sticks I totally use so this one was worth it. Hopefully it gets a US release at amazon for $130 which will make the pair a nice price...I like buying two of these sticks.CadetMahoney said:
As for DS EU, I'm just buying it to support Rising Star and the initiative in europe...I'll never be able to play the game (no biggie since I've got the JPN and US versions already).
JustAnotherOtaku,
I'll PM you. Not really on a timeline but perhaps you can help me get this title to CA.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
So can someone convince me as to why I should pick up Pink Sweets/Muchi Muchi Pork? Because they look so goddamn stupid.
Why so negative?
Two Cave games for $100, one of which is the semi-sequel to Ibara (with fricken' brilliant art).
MMP as an added bonus.
Cheap!
It is a no-brainer.
Yes, I've never played either of them. Grain of salt, implied.
Also, to support the title since it is region-free.
To comlplete your Cave 360 collection.
Go for this one instead of Ketsuipatchi if you had to choose.
Two Cave games for $100, one of which is the semi-sequel to Ibara (with fricken' brilliant art).
MMP as an added bonus.
Cheap!
It is a no-brainer.
Yes, I've never played either of them. Grain of salt, implied.
Also, to support the title since it is region-free.
To comlplete your Cave 360 collection.
Go for this one instead of Ketsuipatchi if you had to choose.
I dunno,epmode said:
The complete lack of filter on an HD screen on Guwange (or on the direct arcade ports on the cave discs) is not appealing at all unless spooling to a CRT. The way DOJ and Ketsui are presented by 5pb for HD displays is a perfect medium. I tated it on a 42" LCD and it is soft, but certainly not blurry. Just comes with the territory of blowing up such a low res image. Check out the crispness on the daily top ten...very accurate. I mean, this is scaled to HD so pretty much as good as it will get. Not seeing why folks have an issue. Their loss, I suppose. I no longer have a reason to touch the PS2 version outside of spooling it to a my Cabinet. The 360 version evenn looks fantastic outputed to my 26" 4:3 480p tated CRT. No idea what folks are seeing in terms of bluriness. No idea, whatsoever.
I like my pixels razor sharp!
Guwange and Ketsui are also low-res games but neither of them have the blur, even when blown up to fill the screen.
The soft look don't bother you but it bothers me. This is why options are good! Can't understand why they left out such an obvious setting.
Guwange and Ketsui are also low-res games but neither of them have the blur, even when blown up to fill the screen.
The soft look don't bother you but it bothers me. This is why options are good! Can't understand why they left out such an obvious setting.
Do you really like Guwange as it appears on an HDTV? I don't. Though I play it with smooth off...simply because with it on it is too crummy and blurry. I agree, though, I'd like a variable dial for the amount of smoorhness...or do like M2 did with the PSN Neo Geo titles and offer scanlines to kill the hard-edge original file.epmode said: