Diablohead
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since we have not seen anyone unlock them on streams yet i'm willing to guess that they will be DLC if anything, could be some of the final stuff you unlock though so no one has got there yet...
The Mortal Kombat Spoilers Thread of ... spoilers in a fighting game?
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The Lamonster
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Yes, I will be beyond pissed if there is no way to collect all the classic characters.
I'm getting the KE from Amazon but I'm going to pre-order from Gamestop anyway and just return the game the next day after I use the code printed on my receipt. But I shouldn't have to do that!
Ugh, this generation is so retarded >:|
I'm getting the KE from Amazon but I'm going to pre-order from Gamestop anyway and just return the game the next day after I use the code printed on my receipt. But I shouldn't have to do that!
Ugh, this generation is so retarded >:|
Mr. E. Yis
Banned
ScOULaris said:
Oh well, no one to blame but themselves. I posted many reasons over the past month or two why it's obvious that classic costumes are only available through DLC/preorders, but people will believe what they want to believe.
Definitely don't blame NRS. They put so much goodies and extras in this game, it's like 2 regular fighting games in one. So many spoiled selfish fans.
If the retro outfits are indeed unlockable in game, which I don't think there going to be, they wouldn't put them in the krypt. They would make you jump through hoops to get them, maybe as a prize for beating all 4 of the secret fights, or from a very high up level on the challenge tower, something hard to do.
Getting them from the krypt is far to easy and diminishes the value of pre ordering.
That said, there is still the whole thing about the female MK2 outfits, there not in the krypt either, and you can't pre order for those, so there some where in the game.
Getting them from the krypt is far to easy and diminishes the value of pre ordering.
That said, there is still the whole thing about the female MK2 outfits, there not in the krypt either, and you can't pre order for those, so there some where in the game.
Yep. Even if Netherrealm was to blame, they never promised the retros to be unlockable in the game; but still wasn't their decision.
I wouldn't mind paying for them, heck I'm getting retro Scorpion just because I preordered in Gamestop (rather than I preordered in Gamestop because of the costume) and probably will get retro Jade, if I can whore myself a little this week and get one of the movies, because I want the movies.
I wouldn't mind paying for them, heck I'm getting retro Scorpion just because I preordered in Gamestop (rather than I preordered in Gamestop because of the costume) and probably will get retro Jade, if I can whore myself a little this week and get one of the movies, because I want the movies.
B1gg_Randall
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Anyone posted this Quan Chi Fatality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYPwj1gI3xk&NR=1
giancarlo123x
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Hell yeah! One of my favorites from the series. (He also had his alt on, im sad its not the MK4 outfit.)B1gg_Randall said:
crimzonflame
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Kratos Babality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ-3dqdiSKA
You're right. I wouldn't blame NRS if the costumes ended up being sold as a DLC pack. As long as they are not purely retail-exclusive, then I guess it's not a big deal. It's just that I'm so anti-DLC, and yet I must have those Klassic Kostumes. If the DLC is reasonably priced, this will be my first DLC purchase ever. But yeah, I can't be mad at NRS. It looks like they've delivered far more than we had ever originally hoped for. Props to them for creating one of the most jammed-packed pieces of fanservice ever released.Mr. E. Yis said:
Still though, I like to speak with my wallet, and it's gonna be painful to support DLC practices.
Plus Ed Boon has the right mindset at least, it will depend mostly on WB in the end.
On yesterday's Gamespot stream at the launch party, he talked about the MK "lowest point" being the yearly releases it had through the last gen. That he would prefer to release one game and it being special and continue improving it and adding things to it, than release one version every year.
So this game, for a few years with DLC every few months, while the core of the team is working on "Shaolin Monks 2" I wouldn't mind paying for any DLC they make.
On yesterday's Gamespot stream at the launch party, he talked about the MK "lowest point" being the yearly releases it had through the last gen. That he would prefer to release one game and it being special and continue improving it and adding things to it, than release one version every year.
So this game, for a few years with DLC every few months, while the core of the team is working on "Shaolin Monks 2" I wouldn't mind paying for any DLC they make.
Mr. E. Yis
Banned
It's more of a WB Games decision than NRS decision. After all, they DID do the same thing (preorder/DLC exclusives) with Arkham Asylum and most likely with Arkham City.
VisionaryQuest0
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GeorgioCostanzaX
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Since I'm getting the main costumes I care about (Reptile and Ermac) I guess I'm slightly more interested the fatalities. Has anyone unlocked classic fatalities -ie. Scorpion's toasty or Sub-Zero's spinal rip-as of yet? I'd probably buy the slightly less stripper inspired outfits for the ladies though if the outfits aren't locked away in the Krypt.
Diablohead
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if the dlc is good and more then just more characters and costumes i'm all up for buying it for years to come, a DLC 50 challenge ladder would be rather cool and worth the money imo if there was something unique unlocked at the end.fernoca said:
Mr. E. Yis
Banned
I would imagine that if the preorder Klassic kostumes are not on the disc, then most definitely the klassic fatalities taht are linked to them are not either. If 1 costume is available in the game, I think everything else Klassic would be too. We'll see.
fernoca said:
This.
A case like this should be exemplary. After all, DLC, as a means to expand upon the original game, is much, MUCH easier pill to swallow, when the original package deal is actually quite sizable as well.
This should also be an ideal means to do away with the standard "Super Turbo Blood Rebellion Continuum Shift Reload + @" way of updating a fighting game release, which the Japanese side of the equation still hasn't completely let go of yet.
And if this is the means that ensures I'll get (hopefully) "Fire & Ice" that much sooner, so much the better...
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
I can honestly say.
The storyline is crap. Classic and iconic characters get killed off like they are fodder because hey, they're just gonna be back in the next game
Very disappointed in this story, NRS. VERY disappointed.
Can't make spoiler tags...
The storyline is crap. Classic and iconic characters get killed off like they are fodder because hey, they're just gonna be back in the next game
Very disappointed in this story, NRS. VERY disappointed.
Can't make spoiler tags...
The Lamonster
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What about the writing, the visuals, gameplay etc in story mode?Uzumaki Goku said:
Ending is apparently quite similar to the original ending (that was cut) from Annihilation... "everything going as planned"...same characters too.
Google "pic of Quan Chi in MK Annihilation" just in case (it's a magazine scan so won't post it)
Writing is well doesn't too, with Johnny Cage being mostly the star and stealing every scene he's in.
Google "pic of Quan Chi in MK Annihilation" just in case (it's a magazine scan so won't post it
)Story is fine, is just a matter of preference more than anything. there;s a character that dies, that also was presumed to die in the original cannon though similar events so that barely changed. Some others are killed but "trapped in the Netherrealm" so if they return, they will probably do so but a little different...and there's the whole Cyber-Syb thing too.The Lamonster said:
Writing is well doesn't too, with Johnny Cage being mostly the star and stealing every scene he's in.
VisionaryQuest0
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The Lamonster said:
I'm pretty sure those have been confirmed to be fantastic.
Uzumaki Goku
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The Lamonster said:
Oh yes, that all looks good. But that's like putting chocolate on a piece of shit. The little thing are awful and you can't argue with the little things. It's the little things that make up life. -_-
I have followed this series storyline with quite some interest and this game told me that everything I had ever followed was a lie. The story is filled with lies and retcons and pointless character deaths. Several important characters die but fodder bad guys don't?
The Lamonster
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*cutscene visualsVisionaryQuest0 said:
gameplay = repetitive? variety?
Ed Boon has said before that "no one ever really dies in Mortal Kombat"
fernoca said:
I like hearing things like this. My other big problem with MK and I really hope they fix it, is the constantly changing gameplay mechanics from game to game. This seems like the best MK has ever been, there is no need to go crazy and needlessly change how the game plays. Yes people hate it when games are to similar, but they have to remember that this is a fighting game, they can get away with having vastly similar gameplay in the next installment.
Just add new characters, new modes, a new story mode.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Uzumaki Goku said:
I think you have that analogy backwards. So story is more important than gameplay in a fighting game now? -_-
This was already explained. This isn't a direct remake of the MK1-UMK3 storyline. I don't know what you expected since the developers stated from the start that there would be retcons. Its fine that you don't like the changes they made but I think you're being a little dramatic about it all.
PS. The world is round not flat.
Professor Beef
Banned
...The entire point of the story is that Raiden is TRYING to retcon everything, and the consequences of his new-ish actions.Uzumaki Goku said:
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!henhowc said:PS. The world is round not flat.
But yeah, Raiden keeps messing things up because he's not sure what the message meant till the very end. He took the "he must win" part of the message too literal also, which is why a few die in the way too.
There were changes to the basic story, some retcons and other things not related to the changes he made, but still nice. And a different kind of ending and overall story, rather than the usual "the good guys won yay!" kind of story/ending.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
Professor Beef said:
Yes, but they retcon things Raiden could not have possibly changed. Like oh Mileena being created during MK2, that was a retcon. A bullshit one too.
Uzumaki Goku said:
I think you're just taking it a bit too seriously, honestly. :lol
They warned us from the jump that things were going to play out differently, even as we do "start over from the top". And Mortal Kombat has done a lot to cite American comics from the 80s-90s in its own history. Well, here we go with the "Universal Reboot that takes things in a new direction". Armageddon was this series' "CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS!", and now we have a "ZERO HOUR!" in this game that cleans up and complicates things at the same time. I'm eating this kind of stuff up, honestly. :lol
But I think the main problem is that people were expecting the same thing all over again, and I don't think this series could survive for too much longer if did just that. Like it or lump it, the series is trying a new thing with its storyline. And for the first time in a long while, it seems that they may be doing something different beyond the whole "And once again, the DAY IS SAVED! Thanks to Liu Kang and friends!" thing. Y'know, the very same thing that people were bitching and moaning about being bored of seeing over and over, even as early as 1996.
Thankfully, at least this time around, as opposed to how things played out in DA - Armageddon, it's actually much more interesting to watch. So for the first time in a while, I'm actually looking forward to seeing what happens in the next game. Whether it be in another Shaolin Monks game or the next big fighting game next generation.
Uzumaki Goku said:
Does it really matter?
In the original plotline, Jax made the metallic arm augmentation operation himself, in light of the coming threat from Outworld. In this one, he's forced into it after Ermac goes all Starkiller on his ass. Same outcome, different means of getting there.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
fernoca said:SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!
But yeah, Raiden keeps messing things up because he's not sure what the message meant till the very end. He took the "he must win" part of the message too literal also, which is why a few die in the way too.
There were changes to the basic story, some retcons and other things not related to the changes he made, but still nice. And a different kind of ending and overall story, rather than the usual "the good guys won yay!" kind of story/ending.
uh.. they have broken away from the usual good guys win ending. Deception shows that the bad guys won.
That was a good on actually ,and made more sense than having Kitana grow up with her "twin sister" that was always wearing a mask.Uzumaki Goku said:
Since Kitana couldn't remember her past, story wise they took that as an advantage for Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung to keep experimenting on Mileena until creating "the perfect clone".
Yeah, but in the original MKI-3 cannon they didn't. It was basically:Uzumaki Goku said:
Liu Kang beat Shang Tsung, yay peace..wait a sec..
Liu Kang beat Shao Kahn, yay peace..wait a sec..
Liu Kang beat Shao Kahn...again, yay peace..for some time at least.
Now that's not it; which was nice.. along with the other changes too. But it was a reboot/retcon always, they never lied about it or hide it.
Plus this is the first game to have a direct-cannon story to explain the events, while in the original they had to retcon the story from the bits and pieces of each ending. Now they just made one cohesive story from scratch.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
fernoca said:
Perhaps.. but it makes Mileena very one dimensional. A lot of fans thought that she hated Kitana because she was the flawed, imperfect clone. But that's clearly not the case here.
Perhaps it was, but I am just not happy at how callous they were about killing people off because Raiden.. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna call him Raiden.. "Thunder Idiot" acted so impulsively.
VisionaryQuest0
Member
Just watched part of the ending. Lol, so the next Mortal Kombat is going to be a redo of MK4? I'm kinda down.
I've been calling Raiden dumb for over a month because of thatUzumaki Goku said:
.. but it also makes for a more interesting Raiden as he's aware of consequences rather than the "I'm the god of thunder fear me" attitude they tried to give through a few of the original games and changed it, because people in general associated Raiden as "the guide/mentor" because of the movies.Mileena's change also was nice, because it gave her a different personality. Since she's now basically a loony that grew up by herself, with short visits from "her father" she's obsessed with him and does anything for him. Is way better than the Mileena in the last games that was always trying to pass as Kitana (and always pissed off because she failed) and the freaking edenians (and everyone) were dumb and blind to not see her with a mask, tarkatan teeth and all dressed in purple.
XD
Well, they always said this one covered I through 3; so it was kinda expected. the changes are the ones that will be interesting.VisionaryQuest0 said:
The Lamonster
Member
This is what I'm most excited about. There won't be so many fuzzy areas going forward.fernoca said:
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
kiryogi said:
Who are you agreeing with on Mileena? Me or him?
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
Well even with all the character deaths. I can't expect it to be permenant.
Vogel even said so:
"Nobody ever really dies in Mortal Kombat."
Vogel even said so:
"Nobody ever really dies in Mortal Kombat."
kiryogi said:
You say that, as if she wasn't one dimensional BEFORE. :lol
At least now, she's actually some what amusing in her childlike psychopathic manner, who really doesn't give a fuck. Whereas before, we had things like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLjB_RS_ghs
...Yeah... :lol
Kung Lao was presumed dead in the original cannon too, which was the reason as to why he was missing in MK4. Then added in Gold explaining that he used the time were everyone thought he was dead, to meditate in peace.
Then again, his friends sucked since is like they saw him die and left the body there and continued with their lives..which gave time to Kung Lao to get better and disappear for some time.
But Quan Chi now has their souls, so it's obvious he is going to do "something" with them. Maybe with an "evil Kung Lao" the spirit of the "original Kung Lao" will appear and face him. With "evil Kitana", Jerrod's soul will appear to rescue his daughter.
Both Great Kung Lao and King Jerrod are mentioned in the Ladder Modes, with Jerrod's case being more surprising as in being Ermac (well, the one soul that remained in his body after the rest left).
What I'm trying to say, is that I'm all for retcons more than in this case, were they're using it to make the story have more sense and be easier to follow for everyone; rather than making assumptions and fanfictions until the next game is released.
Then again, his friends sucked since is like they saw him die and left the body there and continued with their lives..which gave time to Kung Lao to get better and disappear for some time.
But Quan Chi now has their souls, so it's obvious he is going to do "something" with them. Maybe with an "evil Kung Lao" the spirit of the "original Kung Lao" will appear and face him. With "evil Kitana", Jerrod's soul will appear to rescue his daughter.
Both Great Kung Lao and King Jerrod are mentioned in the Ladder Modes, with Jerrod's case being more surprising as in being Ermac (well, the one soul that remained in his body after the rest left).
What I'm trying to say, is that I'm all for retcons more than in this case, were they're using it to make the story have more sense and be easier to follow for everyone; rather than making assumptions and fanfictions until the next game is released.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
Yes, I know Kung Lao was presumed dead in the original canon. I don't know.. I guess I would've preferred being able to see some of my favorite moments shown in full glory.
That being said, I DID like Scorpion's portrayel. It showed that he wasn't evil but tormented. ..not really a fan of him having to be summonded by Quan Chi though. What's up with that?
I'm glad Cyber Sub-Zero dies now. Now they have a way to put him back in a human body if they can.
You see, why I am upset is because they are just messing with what was good. Sub-Zero had a great story. He went from being an assassin to one of the most morally aware characters in the whole series.. by making him into a cyborg all of that is RUINED.
...and what the hell? They introduce Noob Saibot as Bi-Han and then he gets cast into a soulnado? ....MORE SHOCK VALUE.
Why is it all the cool and important characters die and useless fodder like Baraka and Mileena live?
That being said, I DID like Scorpion's portrayel. It showed that he wasn't evil but tormented. ..not really a fan of him having to be summonded by Quan Chi though. What's up with that?
I'm glad Cyber Sub-Zero dies now. Now they have a way to put him back in a human body if they can.
You see, why I am upset is because they are just messing with what was good. Sub-Zero had a great story. He went from being an assassin to one of the most morally aware characters in the whole series.. by making him into a cyborg all of that is RUINED.
...and what the hell? They introduce Noob Saibot as Bi-Han and then he gets cast into a soulnado? ....MORE SHOCK VALUE.
Why is it all the cool and important characters die and useless fodder like Baraka and Mileena live?