The Movie/series plothole discussion thread (spoilers)
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NaughtyCalibur
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Haven't seen 24 in yeeeears, but you're probably right. Just like how this was handled in The Sopranos:
Those who saw the show know what I'm talking about.
Those who saw the show know what I'm talking about.
How About No
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Alien->Aliens:
At the beginning the company tells Ripley they couldn't find any evidence of an alien on the ship. What about the acid burn marks around the airlock of the shuttle from the final encounter?
And then Aliens->Alien3...not gettin' into that.
At the beginning the company tells Ripley they couldn't find any evidence of an alien on the ship. What about the acid burn marks around the airlock of the shuttle from the final encounter?
And then Aliens->Alien3...not gettin' into that.
Escape Goat
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Willy105 said:
Maybe he just blasted into an alternate dimension...
ThoseDeafMutes
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Willy105 said:
That's a breach of physics, not a plot hole.
The Librarian
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I prefer to believe this.Teh Hamburglar said:Maybe he just blasted into an alternate dimension...
B For Bendetta
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Willy105 said:
The worst was that it only turned back time for the bad stuff that happened
faceless007
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At the end of Back to the Future, Doc comes back to get Marty and bring him to 2015 to prevent a chain reaction of events that, in his words, "will destroy the McFly family." So obviously Doc is, at that point, OK with meddling with the natural course of events in order to help Marty.
So why didn't he also feel the need to stop Marty from getting into the car accident in 1985 that leaves him crippled and unable to pursue his dream, which is arguably a precursor to his shitty life in 2015? Especially since that accident happens the very day Doc returns to 1985 to get Marty! (We know Doc knows about the accident because he accidentally tells Marty about it when they're in 1885.) If he had just intercepted Marty as soon as he saw him and just told him not to go out with the car for a few hours, he could have stopped Marty from being egged on by Needles and completely negated the need to bring him and Jennifer into the future with that crazy plan of acting as his son in the first place.
So why didn't he also feel the need to stop Marty from getting into the car accident in 1985 that leaves him crippled and unable to pursue his dream, which is arguably a precursor to his shitty life in 2015? Especially since that accident happens the very day Doc returns to 1985 to get Marty! (We know Doc knows about the accident because he accidentally tells Marty about it when they're in 1885.) If he had just intercepted Marty as soon as he saw him and just told him not to go out with the car for a few hours, he could have stopped Marty from being egged on by Needles and completely negated the need to bring him and Jennifer into the future with that crazy plan of acting as his son in the first place.
faceless007 said:
Because it was about learning a lesson for Marty. If Doc just came back and warned Marty not to get into the car, his hot headedness would eventually lead him into a situation that would eventually cost Marty the full use of his arm or quite possibly worse - his life. By allowing Marty to learn that it was his hot headedness that led him into that sort of life (by experiencing it in 2015), Doc was able to make a lasting impression on Marty that allowed for Marty to not only gain the wisdom necessary to make the right decision (at the end of the movie when Marty refuses the race), but also makes him a better person rather than just a lucky person with a friend with a time machine.
CJUNDERGROUND
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B.K. said:
Play the video game.
Willy105 said:
I thought this was just showing him travelling back in time, not actually rotating the planet backwards which made time go backwards. ie Earth visually appearing to rotate in reverse is a result of him travelling back in time, not that he rotated the earth backwards which made time reverse.
CJUNDERGROUND
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B.K. said:
Then you will never knoooowwwww.
I asked this in the ...doesn't deserve its own thread thread:
At the end of Constantine when John bargains for the twin's soul, the devil seems to send the twin to heaven. She killed herself so hell is definitely where she belongs according to the Bible. The problem is he's the devil, right? He's got no dominion over heaven. He can't decide who comes and goes.
At the end of Constantine when John bargains for the twin's soul, the devil seems to send the twin to heaven. She killed herself so hell is definitely where she belongs according to the Bible. The problem is he's the devil, right? He's got no dominion over heaven. He can't decide who comes and goes.
faceless007
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But Doc didn't allow Marty to learn that in 2015; in fact Marty never learned or saw anything about his future self. Jennifer did because she got taken "home" by the cops, but Doc deliberately kept Marty from finding out anything about his life (in fact he warned Marty about that when they arrived in 2015).RyanDG said:Because it was about learning a lesson for Marty. If Doc just came back and warned Marty not to get into the car, his hot headedness would eventually lead him into a situation that would eventually cost Marty the full use of his arm or quite possibly worse - his life. By allowing Marty to learn that it was his hot headedness that led him into that sort of life (by experiencing it in 2015), Doc was able to make a lasting impression on Marty that allowed for Marty to not only gain the wisdom necessary to make the right decision (at the end of the movie when Marty refuses the race), but also makes him a better person rather than just a lucky person with a friend with a time machine.
Think about it this way: When Doc comes back, he knows that at that point, Marty is extremely sensitive to being called chicken (because he knows that's what will cause the accident in a few hours). But his big elaborate plan involves taking Marty to 2015 and having him stand up to Griff--who promptly calls him chicken and sends the plan straight to hell. Not a very well thought out plan if he knows that's Marty's weakness.
I love the films and of course if Doc had taken my advice, we wouldn't have actually had Parts 2 and 3 (which I maintain are still pretty damn good movies). But still.
Edit: It's also a little hypocritical of Doc since he was perfectly willing to reconstruct Marty's letter warning him about the terrorists. And he had the opportunity to return the favor in the letter he wrote from 1885, instructing Marty to go directly back to 1985 but neglecting to mention that on the day he goes back he'll get into a car accident that wrecks his life.
Neuromancer
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I don't think it's fair to call this a plothole. They could have either just not found it or were lying.How About No said:
Trent Strong
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Using humans as batteries is pretty absurd.
Well, Back to the Future was not designed to have sequels. The writers managed to make sequels that were so good and close to the first that it looked like it was all one movie.
But there was the problem of actually making the ending of BTTF1 begin the other two movies, so they just bootstrapped it. It's a small glare I'm happy to pay (and never think about again) just so that I can see BTTF2 and 3.
There a ton more absurd things out there in movies than using people as batteries.
But there was the problem of actually making the ending of BTTF1 begin the other two movies, so they just bootstrapped it. It's a small glare I'm happy to pay (and never think about again) just so that I can see BTTF2 and 3.
Trent Strong said:
There a ton more absurd things out there in movies than using people as batteries.
Summary Man
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I saw BTTF mentioned, but I didn't read through the post, so forgive me if you mentioned this.
In BTTF2, Old Biff travels back to 1955 in order to give himself the sports almanac, thereby changing the course of history. However, Old Biff is somehow able to travel back to the "normal" 2015 and leave the DeLorean for Doc and Marty. But according to the movie's own internal logic, Old Biff should have traveled to an alternate 2015, one in which he's a multimillionaire. It should have been impossible for him to return to the "normal" 2015.
Still love the movies, though.
In BTTF2, Old Biff travels back to 1955 in order to give himself the sports almanac, thereby changing the course of history. However, Old Biff is somehow able to travel back to the "normal" 2015 and leave the DeLorean for Doc and Marty. But according to the movie's own internal logic, Old Biff should have traveled to an alternate 2015, one in which he's a multimillionaire. It should have been impossible for him to return to the "normal" 2015.
Still love the movies, though.
Summary Man said:I saw BTTF mentioned, but I didn't read through the post, so forgive me if you mentioned this.
In BTTF2, Old Biff travels back to 1955 in order to give himself the sports almanac, thereby changing the course of history. However, Old Biff is somehow able to travel back to the "normal" 2015 and leave the DeLorean for Doc and Marty. But according to the movie's own internal logic, Old Biff should have traveled to an alternate 2015, one in which he's a multimillionaire. It should have been impossible for him to return to the "normal" 2015.
Still love the movies, though.
No, because the BTTF logic works on the "ripple effect". Not all changes are instantaneous, otherwise Marty would have been dead the instant he took his dad's place on the grill of that car in BTTF1.
The ripple effect is the delay between the change in the past to it's effect in the present. Old Biff could have easily gone back to his 2015 after giving his younger self the Almanac.
After all, it took a week for the ripple effect to reach Marty in BTTF1. I doubt it would take that long for Old Biff to return to 2015.
Trent Strong
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Willy105 said:
I don't know. You have to feed people 2000 calories a day of energy, just so they can produce a little bit of heat and a tiny bit of electrical energy. Just burn those 2000 calories (wherever they come from) as an energy source in the first place. Not to mention that programming and running the matrix probably uses a huge amount of electricity itself. Even if you could use people as batteries, why not just keep them comatose instead of using all that energy to set up and run a matrix? The whole idea's pretty crazy.
Summary Man
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Willy105 said:
But wouldn't traveling to the future effectively be fast-forwarding the ripple effect? In the first movie, Marty had a week or so in "real-time" to fix his mistake. I'm sure if he somehow traveled back to 1985 immediately after getting hit by the car he would arrive in an alternate 1985 in which he doesn't exist in any form. Basically, by the time he arrived in the future, the ripple would have already spread and subsided.
Trent Strong said:
To add to this, couldn't the machines set up energy-collecting sonar panels in space or something? They're obviously capable of this, technologically, at least.
Summary Man said:
But that would mean the ripple effect travels backward. The idea is the change started in 1955, and it spread to 1985. Marty is from 1985, therefore he gets affected at the same time as the world from 1985.
So if he got in the time machine immediately after getting hit by the car, 1985 would still be the same as he left it, but as he spends more time in there he will gradually see changes pop up in the world as his 1985 transforms into the timeline he created back in the past.
Like a wave, 1956 would get hit by the change first (however miniscule or unnoticeable it may be), then 1957, 58, 59..and on and on and on...82, 83, 84, to 1985.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Trent Strong said:
This is not a plot hole because it's ridiculous, it's a plot hole because they could have just grown cows or elephants or mice in vats or something instead of people who are capable of rebelling.
I'm well aware that it's a thermodynamic violation either way, but breaching physics is not a plot hole, even if it is stupid...
So in the original Star Wars, the death star goes to kill the rebel base planet, but it's obstructed by a moon.
Now this raises two questions -
1. why would it go after the base from that angle? I mean we know the thing can move, it killed Carrie Fisher and Jimmy Smits' planet like 40 minutes ago, why didn't it just attack it from the other side?
But more importantly -
2. it's the fucking death star, you'd think that if there's something between it and the thing it wants to blow, it will fucking destroy it, no? are they saving energy?
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I'm sure it's perfectly explain in some book that they couldn't do it because the flux modulator was overwhelmed by the radiation inflow from the system's sunspot or whatever.
Now this raises two questions -
1. why would it go after the base from that angle? I mean we know the thing can move, it killed Carrie Fisher and Jimmy Smits' planet like 40 minutes ago, why didn't it just attack it from the other side?
But more importantly -
2. it's the fucking death star, you'd think that if there's something between it and the thing it wants to blow, it will fucking destroy it, no? are they saving energy?
p.s.
I'm sure it's perfectly explain in some book that they couldn't do it because the flux modulator was overwhelmed by the radiation inflow from the system's sunspot or whatever.
Escape Goat
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Death Star would have to recharge, giving the Rebels time to escape. But then you could argue the debris from the gas giant would destroy the moon. But...yeah...
ThoseDeafMutes
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Teh Hamburglar said:
Well Gas giants are way bigger and more massive than earthlike planets, so it's possible it wasn't powerful enough to overcome the gravitational binding energy of Yavin.
crimzonflame
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Assuming that the Terminator series was supposed to end at 2...something something how is John Conner still alive at the end of part 2?
Hours Left
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In the three seconds Princess Leia saw her mother IMMEDIATELY AFTER BEING BORN, she was apparently coherent and clairvoyant enough to establish that she was...
"Very beautiful. Kind, but sad."
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"Very beautiful. Kind, but sad."
-_-;;
ThoseDeafMutes
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RyanDG said:
I'm familiar with the page, but the page does not mention whether or not the DS blast could wipe a gas giant, particularly since we don't know how big Yavin is anyway.
DodgyGeezerFella
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Prison Break after season 1.
I mean come on, Kellerman ?
I mean come on, Kellerman ?
You obviously can't know for sure, but that scene is construct in such way that heavily imply that he's alone.JGS said:
When the globe break, we see a nurse coming from outside the room to see what's happening.
If there was another person, and it's possible, we don't see every inch of the room (though we do get quite a wide shot as the nurse walk in) why didn't that person come to assist Kane?
There's a nice thematic explanation for this -
The only people who heard that were the audience, so Wells says to Hearst (which is the obvious inspiration for Kane, as I'm sure you all know) "people may have not found out about you, but now they will, through this film".
I'm not sure if Wells meant for it, but I'm quite fond of this explanation nonetheless.
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