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AdventureRacing
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I'm not saying they shouldn't attack him. I'm never a fan of the strategy of just letting a batsmen just sit down one end. I just don't think you can expect to bowl to Ashwin like a tail ender and get him out. He looks like he has some talent with the bat.
Ashwin is definitely good with the bat, heck he got a century recently but that was against WI. But the respect given to him there was more than warranted, you'd have to agree. Hilfy/Pattison could have been brought much earlier.
Didnt see Dhoni there, I guess he's still out shopping.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Move Ashwin up, good batter.
Good win!
Good win!
I called for an Australian win before the series even started, now calling 3-0.
Hey, Dhoni's finally back. Gave me a few good laughs there, funny guy.
Protecting him from what? Mother & sister abuses?
Hey, Dhoni's finally back. Gave me a few good laughs there, funny guy.
Clarke man of the match.
Bloody politics.
damn nsw bias
My desired changes for Perth.
Out: Lyon, Marsh, Haddin
In: Harris, Khawaja, Wade
Can't see that many changes being made to a team that just won by an innings and loose change though. Wouldn't be too upset if Marsh got one more chance. Haddin will probably hold his spot on account of not having a chance to fail with the bat this match.
Out: Lyon, Marsh, Haddin
In: Harris, Khawaja, Wade
Can't see that many changes being made to a team that just won by an innings and loose change though. Wouldn't be too upset if Marsh got one more chance. Haddin will probably hold his spot on account of not having a chance to fail with the bat this match.
I still reckon keep Lyon in. Started off well enough in his career, hasn't really bowled long spells this series, but deserves to hang around. Could tighten his line and throw up some more pies, however. Ashwin has looked equally pointless in this series but has bowled many more overs. The WACA is not what it used to be, and Harris has not looked great returning from injury.
Any news on the Watto front? He'd obviously be an automatic in, and you'd have to slide out one of the top 3. Marsh looks a bit out of touch. Haddin for Wade, wouldn't have too many arguments from anyone there.
Any news on the Watto front? He'd obviously be an automatic in, and you'd have to slide out one of the top 3. Marsh looks a bit out of touch. Haddin for Wade, wouldn't have too many arguments from anyone there.
AdventureRacing
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Why do they keep insisting on bringing in these spinners like Lyon? You don't have to have a spinner just for the sake of it. None of the spinners coming through look any good at all.
I'd rather they just bring in another fast bowler and if they need some spin just give Clarke or Hussey a go. They seem to do better anyway.
I'd rather they just bring in another fast bowler and if they need some spin just give Clarke or Hussey a go. They seem to do better anyway.
The dude's got 25 wickets at 27 in his first 8 tests. The first two tests against India he has barely been needed. Sure this game he wasn't great, but I for one am prepared to let him have a go. He looks more consistent than any of the other guys they've played. Hussey is NOT a viable option, you need the variety, and Clarke can't bowl for long spells because of his back.
Did I just start the Lyon Defence Force?
AdventureRacing
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The stats i'm looking at have him at 24 wickets in 9 tests at 30, which includes a 5/34. I'm happy to see him given a go, i just won't be too surprised when Australia end up with another spinner who struggles to average below 35-40.
I also don't care how he compares to other spinners around the world because most of them range from mediocre to garbage. I don't agree with keeping around dead weight just becuase everyone else is doing it.
I guess i understand why though. Having a good spinner is very important. I'm just not sure you can brute force a solution by giving every spinner you can find a go at the International level.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Warne was pretty much plucked out of obscurity and the rest was history, but it is very unlikely to happen that way again. Doesn't stop the spectators from trying to strike gold twice though.
The options since Warne have just been meh central.
Hauritz
McGain
Beer
Lyon
Doherty
Krejza
Casson
Have I missed anyone? What a list of mediocrity.
AdventureRacing
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The worst part is they all look like part time spinners. They have that same little over the wrist action which results in them getting little spin. They just never look like they are going to trouble the batsmen.
Also that list really highlights the sad state of affairs of spinners in general. As someone who loved watching Warne play that kinda makes me a little sad. Why couldn't Macgill have been born 10 years after warne?
Also that list really highlights the sad state of affairs of spinners in general. As someone who loved watching Warne play that kinda makes me a little sad. Why couldn't Macgill have been born 10 years after warne?
Yeah, was just rattling off the stats from memory. Still a good start though. If Pattinson starts having to toil for no luck in 4 or so tests will people be calling for his head? The dude hasn't failed yet, and until he has a negative impact on the team (a la Phil Hughes), he should get a run.
I thought Doherty managed to get a fair bit of spin from time to time. He didn't have much success at test level, but he only got two tests. He's managed 19 at 25 this season.
Yeah, he's not brilliant, but as long as you have a decent pace attack around him, I'd rather have a spinner and not need him than need him and not have him.
AdventureRacing
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The problem with the spinners Australia has been bringing through is that even when the pitch favours them they still struggle.
I'd rather go with bowlers who can actually perform than to drag around dead weight in the hope that when he finally gets a pitch that suits him he can actually perform.
Again though Lyons stats aren't that bad and i don't mind if he stays around a little longer. However if he starts struggling like the others (and that looks likely imo) than he shouldn't be kept around just for the sake of having a spinner.
Edit: Also lets not get too far ahead of ourselves with the quality of Australias pace attack. Yeah it is carving up this shitty India outfit but it has had its problems in the past. A lot of Australias quicks are sturggling to average under 30 as well.
All true. Lets say if he stays with decent figures and if the pace attack stays effective then I would prefer to have him and not need him. Couple of big ifs there though.
To be honest the chance of a draw was highly unprobable after yesterday, Possible sure but not very likely. Yeah the Indian team has batsmen who've done well in the past in Aus but given their recent form and the 2 wickets which fell you would have to be pretty optimistic to expect a draw.
You didnt get the memo, troll!
To be fair, they are only really coming into form now. This is the nucleus of what will hopefully be a good lineup come the next tours of S.Africa and England.
Assuming they don't break down, Pattinson and Cummins in the same team really is mouth-watering. Add Hilfy on fire and Siddle improved and more consistent...looking promising.
And I don't want to rag on a guy while he's down...but not having Johnson in the team is really helping...
And I don't want to rag on a guy while he's down...but not having Johnson in the team is really helping...
AdventureRacing
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Coincidentally against a batting team that is struggling for form. I think Australias bowling line up is getting better but i think some people are getting carried away. It wasn't that long ago that most people were saying Hilfenhaus was terrible (i don't mean on here).
That may be partially true, but playing against out of form teams is still a valid way to improve on form. It works for batting - playing against a bunny side and getting some runs can help a batsman build confidence and get some runs.
DeSo
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/c...dian-test-series/story-fn67w6pa-1226238523028
Pattinson out for the rest of the series. Guess they'll bring Starc in with Harris for Perth. (wish Cutting was fit)
Pattinson out for the rest of the series. Guess they'll bring Starc in with Harris for Perth. (wish Cutting was fit)
Yeah but the selectors had flagged that there would be a rotation policy with the quicks throughout the series anyway. Opportunity beckons for others. I'm looking forward to Harris coming back.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Anyone got a site that streams the Big Bash? Brisbane team finally put a decent score on.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Goddamn this is a game, just listening to the commentary.
Killer ending.
Killer ending.
lol
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/video_audio/548452.html
Eyes on the ball Sachin, eyes on the ballll.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/video_audio/548452.html
Eyes on the ball Sachin, eyes on the ballll.
I wonder what the reaction was in Australia was when India reached the no.1 ranking and won the WC.
sour grapes
Excuses will always be there. The real question is will the Indian batting find some sort of a comeback? I dont think India's batting was this bad in the last 10 years. Even in the '03 tour they grinded Australia and spoiled Steve Waugh's farewell game .. I remember Sehwag getting a 190+ in the boxing day test, Dravid getting a century or double in the series and Tendulkar getting a few in as well.
I dont think India's bowling is the main problem. They have bowled out Australia twice at MCG. At SCG they gave up too quickly but full credit to Ponting/Clarke for fighting it out on Day 1. From Day 2, the pitch was dead and the whole team attitude was wrong.
Sometimes I miss the aggression that Ganguly showed, in Dhoni. He's the cool-as-cucumber captain but doesnt need to be one dimensional like that.
I dont think India's bowling is the main problem. They have bowled out Australia twice at MCG. At SCG they gave up too quickly but full credit to Ponting/Clarke for fighting it out on Day 1. From Day 2, the pitch was dead and the whole team attitude was wrong.
Sometimes I miss the aggression that Ganguly showed, in Dhoni. He's the cool-as-cucumber captain but doesnt need to be one dimensional like that.
So, so much.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
It's not so bad. ABC is saying the Stars V Renegades game crowd might get up to 40,000. Will help grow the game and get more kids into the game I guess.
crazy monkey
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what India needs is youngsters. Too much politics and corruption across the board to get real talent out many times. One of the guys from our area was amazing fast bowler. He played for the city and was the best. When he went to state side and ranji time money became issue. This was however 15 years ago so things might have changed now. Older player need to retire. I do not care even if india looses like bitch. They already do with big once in the team. They need to rotate players. Reward good performance and punish bad once. Culture of entitlement has to be changed.
Anyways back to good thing Kalis: double century, 6 catch and 3 wicket in 150th test. That is how you do it bitches.
Anyways back to good thing Kalis: double century, 6 catch and 3 wicket in 150th test. That is how you do it bitches.