Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Played that almost as badly as moeen ali.
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India are fucking awful. This isn't a 140/4 deck, at all. Kohli has a big reputation for someone who can't leave a length ball on off stump. England coasting to victory here, one batsman left before the tail. Still over 233 to get to avoid the follow on. India have been utterly dire this entire test, Anderson and Broad bowling well, England utterly reliant on them as Woakes looks tidy but not threatening and Jordan is bowling absolute filth. This will be finished by tea tomorrow.
Steverulez
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Is the follow on 200 runs behind or 150? I think it got changed but I can't remember what to, just 150 ahead now?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Like anybody enforces the follow on anymore.
If they can get India out for another 100 or so (a 300 lead), then they probably will. Even a session batting for England does nothing except take time out of the test. If the lead is about 250 they'll probably bat.
200 behind, India need another 195 with 6 wickets remaining to avoid it. It's all about taking time out of the game. For India get past the follow on (not likely) then they'll probably have to bat until lunch tomorrow. Getting past the follow on would probably mean that England would have to bat a session or two to get a 350-400 lead, leaving India 3 and a bit sessions to see out. But what's more likely to happen is India will be all out for about 300 at best the way they're going which would leave probably about 6 sessions for England to bowl them out. Barring an absolute miracle (a batting masterclass from these 6 wickets and a complete collapse from England) then any notion of a win for India is out of the window.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Honest question though, would broad and anderson be recognised as great bowlers when their time is up?
They've got the wickets to make such a claim and when they're on song I can see that they are really bloody good, but their averages and SR are pretty third seamer figures instead of strike bowlers at best. Which just tells me that they're super inconsistent.
They've got the wickets to make such a claim and when they're on song I can see that they are really bloody good, but their averages and SR are pretty third seamer figures instead of strike bowlers at best. Which just tells me that they're super inconsistent.
They are almost completely condition and pitch dependent. If the ball is swinging then Anderson is a world beater, if it's not then he's a medium quick who has reasonable line and length. Broad is a pretty average to good bowler most of the time who just goes on random tears through teams when conditions are favourable. I'd say Anderson has a direct analogue in someone like Boult or maybe Southee.
Basically neither is a Steyn (who is) who if it's not swinging has other options to get you out.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That's a fair assessment, though honestly nobody is a dale steyn. 
Woakes and ali needs stop bowling into the legside.
Should have kept stokes and left out jordan. Stokes has turned completely naff with the bat but he's still bowling really well.
Woakes and ali needs stop bowling into the legside.
Should have kept stokes and left out jordan. Stokes has turned completely naff with the bat but he's still bowling really well.
Steverulez
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I thought it was a reasonable decision to drop Stokes as Jordan did well against Sri Lanka, I wasn't really expecting this from him tbh
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I thought he bowled ok against sri lanka, but I've been pretty impressed with stoke's bowling throughout the series.
Other than that lucky escape rahane has been pretty classy in this series too. Honestly been way more impressed with him than kohli or pujara.
Other than that lucky escape rahane has been pretty classy in this series too. Honestly been way more impressed with him than kohli or pujara.
I don't think Woakes has been that bad in a holding sense at least, he's bowled good lines. You can make a case for Woakes being the best 3rd or 4th seam bowler in English cricket with Onions recovering from an injury. Not sure you can say that about either Jordan or Stokes. Woakes is actually probably a better batsman than either Stokes or Jordan so I'm not sure why he's not really spoken about as the 4th seamer/allrounder more.
Jordan had a FC game last week where he took 3 very cheaply I think that got him in the side.
Jordan had a FC game last week where he took 3 very cheaply I think that got him in the side.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Jeez, that's soft.
Good on moeen for keeping it somewhat tight and giving it a little flight too.
Also dhoni's technique for test batting looks so goofy. Just so many seemingly unnecessary movements.
Good on moeen for keeping it somewhat tight and giving it a little flight too.
Also dhoni's technique for test batting looks so goofy. Just so many seemingly unnecessary movements.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
To be fair to ali you still need to bowl ok to get people to mishit with some pretty terrible shots.
They're clearly trying to hit him out of the attack and it hasn't worked too well.
They're clearly trying to hit him out of the attack and it hasn't worked too well.
To be fair to ali you still need to bowl ok to get people to mishit with some pretty terrible shots.
They're clearly trying to hit him out of the attack and it hasn't worked too well.
He's been going for 4 an over without any risk at all. He's a barely average off spinner. He's been getting wickets off a succession of tripe balls, there's no need to go after Ali, he'll offer up a pie every couple of overs and hasn't got the skill to stop singles.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh, I would agree honestly. Same problem as imran tahir. Can bowl somewhat ok and than give off some pies. I disagree with below average though. I wouldn't call him world-class or even a main spin bowler really, but I can see that he gives it a bit of flight, drift and occasional spin, which I think is why he gets so many mishits. From stupid shots, but it shows that he can make indian batsmen misjudge balls.
I think that he just needs to be tighter really. No reason why he should be so inconsistent in line and length. He gives it more of a rip than your standard part-timer but not that much more.
I don't think that he should be looked at as the main spin bowler, but I think he's slightly better than your average part-timer. Also much more effective against left-handers from what I've seen.
I think that he just needs to be tighter really. No reason why he should be so inconsistent in line and length. He gives it more of a rip than your standard part-timer but not that much more.
I don't think that he should be looked at as the main spin bowler, but I think he's slightly better than your average part-timer. Also much more effective against left-handers from what I've seen.
There's another one for Ali of a long hop, keeping up his tradition of getting wickets of absolute filth. India are fucking mental, they are 6 down for 217 losing two to rank off spin. This innings will be over tonight. England would be mental not make them follow on.
Ali somehow has 2 for 39. Absolutely mental, he's barely bowled a decent ball.
Ali somehow has 2 for 39. Absolutely mental, he's barely bowled a decent ball.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Ok that was even worse. :lol
At least I can say that was definitely a rank long hop.
Than again kumar sangakkara got out to a duminy long hop last test too.
At least I can say that was definitely a rank long hop.
Than again kumar sangakkara got out to a duminy long hop last test too.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Knowing england though the last 3 wickets will cost 300 runs and bhuvi kumar will score his maiden test century.
They'll plough through the last 4 with the new ball. Be lucky to add another 30-40. It would be different if Rahane hadn't gotten out, there would be someone to bat around, Dhoni and Jadeja just don't have the skills to bat against the new cherry.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Nah bhuvi kumar is actually a pretty decent bat. I was being cheeky with the 300 thing but I reckon that there'll be some resistance. Did pretty well on last time he face the new ball too, though to be fair that was when broad and anderson were bowling horrid.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
England will not enforce the follow on.
National greats, not all time greats.
Broad, Swann and Anderson will end up being three of the best England has ever produced, but they are very much cases of maximising potential. None of them are prodigies.
Broad is the closest to being a great in that he is a clutch bowler who can and has bowled match changing spells. But he is too injured and too inconsistent. There is something slightly underwhelming about him
Anderson is a master of his craft, but he isn't better than the best ever wing bowlers and when the pitch/conditions are not compliant he is merely solid.
Swann was brilliant and will be remembered greater than the other two I think. Mostly because we are incapable of producing a steady stream of good spinners. He just was never as good as the best spin bowlers in history. Probably our best though.
Moeen doing well here. Yes his wickets were errors but they were the result of pressure and match situation.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Jadeja should just look to smash it honestly. Can't play defensively for shit.
Steverulez
Member
Doesn't really get much more out than that
I hope we bowl someone out, I always like the noise of when it goes straight through
Gareth Bale
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They kept talking up Virat Kohli before this series and he's not looked very good.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
He has received some good balls, although it is clear that he hasn't played enough long-form cricket. He's an absolutely brilliant player, but lacks the patience in difficult conditions. Him and Pujara are sublime. My favourite two 'young' batsmen.
He's got that classic subcontinent angled bat thing going on which he needs to sort.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
He did pretty well in tests playing in south africa, new zealand and australia, so I think it's fair enough to rate him highly. Seems like he's fishing too much here in england though.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Am I the only one who thinks that the unibet ad with graeme swann is terrible?
Steverulez
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Most of the betting ones are.
Good day for England so far, nice to see Cook get another 50 and be not out at the end of the innings which will give him more confidence
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I like that ad with the guy and the train.
Wait, isn't that pad first?
Wait, isn't that pad first?
India just get on the plane and go home they've mentally checked out of this series. How the fuck do you get run out taking a quick single chasing 444. I mean there's moronic then there's that. Vijay should be shot, along with Dharwan who called for the run which was just about there but why take the risk.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Damn. Guess pujara expected more turn? Good bowling and a super catch by jordan.
Gareth Bale
Member
Brilliant catch
Steverulez
Member
If this innings continues as it is, this could be almost over by the close of play tonight
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Nah, india bat super deep.
Moeen can bowl those wicket-taking balls but he really needs to improve his consistency. Then again the long hop is a wicket taking ball for him too.
Moeen can bowl those wicket-taking balls but he really needs to improve his consistency. Then again the long hop is a wicket taking ball for him too.
Steverulez
Member
Shitty decision, everything going for it
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Poor moeen.
DRS really did help offspinners plenty.
DRS really did help offspinners plenty.
crazy monkey
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Good Bye Dude.Good Bye.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I keep seeing the commentators say that the weather is hot at the aegeas bowl but I keep seeing the forecasts showing a max of 21C. Are the people in the UK intolerant of heat or are the forecasts just wrong?
Well done by moeen, by the way.
Well done by moeen, by the way.
Jezbollah
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It has been a very warm and humid summer so far - the stat that was brought up was that only 40 minutes of play from all the Tests was lost due to the weather - and that was made up later in the match.
Saying that, 22c forecast with 10mph winds from the south west (straight in from the channel) in Southampton is extremely cool.
Saying that, 22c forecast with 10mph winds from the south west (straight in from the channel) in Southampton is extremely cool.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Alright, guess it's starting to cool down then? The commentators has been saying that the heat was tiring the bowlers out throughout the match.
Jezbollah
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Well, I dont remember what the weather was from the start of Sunday but Warne was commentating and said that it was very hot recently.
Certainly in general, the last week or so where I've been working has got a lot cooler (roughly 100 miles north of Southampton)
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Welp, can't see this lasting much longer really.
Anderson on a tear. Good length and hooping it around.
edit: I think it's the drift moeen gets that does the batsmen in whenever they try to go aggressive. A lot of them are a misjudgment of line really.
Anderson on a tear. Good length and hooping it around.
edit: I think it's the drift moeen gets that does the batsmen in whenever they try to go aggressive. A lot of them are a misjudgment of line really.