BamYouHaveAids
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The Official UFC: The Ultimate 2008 Discussion Thread
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Master Thespian
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C'mon, Forrest apologists. Rashad has great boxing, footwork, wrestling and ground and pound. Keep hatin'.
Stoney Mason
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That was some nasty ground and pound from a guy who has always had lame Ground and pound imo. Impressive. Rashad can look boring as hell in a fight but damn if all he does is win.
I never thought Forrest would be champ for long.
I never thought Forrest would be champ for long.
Future PhaZe
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Shawnwhann said:
It was just a matter of time imo. Leg kick this...leg kick that. This isn't slow ass lazy Page (srry page
) from months ago. Evans is too quick to let that go on for the entire match. Forrest is also not knocking Evans out, so as long as Evans wasn't feeling to hurt by those kicks he would have the confidence to move in at some point, and he did.Fun Factor
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Hunter D said:
Yeah I got to give it up to him.
Forest was going to get caught with all those kicks, it was Rashad's match.
Stoney Mason
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Master Thespian said:
He has good footwork and he's a good boxer. The ground and pound development is rather recent imo.
Either way he's the champ regardless of what I may think about him. And he's undefeated. That's impressive no matter which way you cut it.
I was 3-2 on the main card tonight and if I had the balls to go with my gut I would have been 4-1 and picked Mir.
Joseph Merrick
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hehe. hardonk is awesome
mrbagdt said:
He can't beat Machida, mark my words.
Anyway
Sucks Nog lost. Nog looked like a shell of his former self. Same against Tim. Those punches would not have dropped the Nog of some years ago. All fighters have their limits. It looks like Wand and Nog have met them. Great careers, but I think they now need to transition into being trainers.
Future PhaZe
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Well one thing we know for sure is that Nog and Brock might have been embarrassing. Mirs boxing was clearly on point, but the fact that he knocked Nog down at will doesn't bode well for the type of damage that Brock could have inflicted. Sad.
Mir is going to have to gameplan for Brock. He'll have to think of ways to sub him again because there is no way he'll stand up and knock Brock down as much as I hate to admit it.
Rashad will smack whoever comes next.
Rampage/Griffin 2? If Rampage gives a shit at all he'll watch some tape and proceed to knock Griffin out like he should have done.
C.B will tap out against whoever he fights next. Either on accident or on purpose...or...wtf?
Great card.
Mir is going to have to gameplan for Brock. He'll have to think of ways to sub him again because there is no way he'll stand up and knock Brock down as much as I hate to admit it.
Rashad will smack whoever comes next.
Rampage/Griffin 2? If Rampage gives a shit at all he'll watch some tape and proceed to knock Griffin out like he should have done.
C.B will tap out against whoever he fights next. Either on accident or on purpose...or...wtf?
Great card.
Boogie said:
same here, the rampage/wand fight i knew had the potential to go either way, but i was really surprised Mir dominated Nog in the stand up, i think Nog is finished, he looked like a shell of his former self
i give credit to rashad for the win, but i wasn't impressed by his performance, he didnt do shit for 2 rounds until catching that leg kick in the 3rd
i'm curious to see how Shogun looks in his return in January versus Coleman, will he look like the shogun from Pride, or more like the bum that fought forrest last year, if he comes back sharp, the lhw picture will be interesting in 2009
i think rampage gets a title shot with rashad after his KO tonight tho
GoutPatrol
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:lol :lol :lol
Now just imagine when that Fedor losing to Arlovski was on this card. It would be the greatest ever.
Now just imagine when that Fedor losing to Arlovski was on this card. It would be the greatest ever.
Future PhaZe
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yacobod said:
I always hear this.
Well, what a fucking night.
First off, that's how you do revenge. Rampage with sweet redemption. Sucks for Wand but he hasn't changed. Look at the repays of the knockout and you see him throw wide looping punches leaving him open while Rampage had tight hooks that still had great power. That 4th fight is going to be Rampages if Wand doesn't tighten his game up.
Now I did think the Nog stoppage was a little premature for Nog. Then again, I've never seen Nog knocked down so many times in so short a time period nor have I seen him take so many punches from his back without even his hand up as defense. Boy was I wrong about Nog being the more technical standup fighter. It seems all those years of punishment is taking down the old guard.
I'm really puzzled by the Evans/Griffin fight. With how successful Evans was with the gnp, why didn't he attempt more takedowns? He sure wasn't owning the standup (although it was close). And why didn't Forrest scramble off his back like he did against Tito in the later rounds? Big congrats to Evans though. I'm not sure who to pick in an Evans/Rampage fight. Man, that's a tough one.
First off, that's how you do revenge. Rampage with sweet redemption. Sucks for Wand but he hasn't changed. Look at the repays of the knockout and you see him throw wide looping punches leaving him open while Rampage had tight hooks that still had great power. That 4th fight is going to be Rampages if Wand doesn't tighten his game up.
Now I did think the Nog stoppage was a little premature for Nog. Then again, I've never seen Nog knocked down so many times in so short a time period nor have I seen him take so many punches from his back without even his hand up as defense. Boy was I wrong about Nog being the more technical standup fighter. It seems all those years of punishment is taking down the old guard.
I'm really puzzled by the Evans/Griffin fight. With how successful Evans was with the gnp, why didn't he attempt more takedowns? He sure wasn't owning the standup (although it was close). And why didn't Forrest scramble off his back like he did against Tito in the later rounds? Big congrats to Evans though. I'm not sure who to pick in an Evans/Rampage fight. Man, that's a tough one.
I don't know man, I think you are seeing more in nogs loss than me. I mean, you can't make excuses for him, he lost, but the guy is still relatively young regardless of how he looks. I don't think he is done at all- I think he is a threat to any real contendors at hw, I just wish he would} do more to keep from getting punxhed!!!Trax416 said:
abstract alien
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Evans is such an efficient fighter now, he doesnt waste anything. Great match indeed.
Stoney Mason
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Asbel said:
I think the recent Evans style is something he will stick with until he loses. I think him being a wrestler was often gassing him and trying to out muscle bigger and stronger fighters. I think he will essentially be a boxer from here on out looking to score a big knockdown and then finish with ground and pound and wrestling if he has to.
I think it's lower risk for him strategy wise and has potential high upside. The forrest fight is a good example. He lost the first two rounds imo but it still worked out for him where the danger is he had tried to wrestle Griffin he might have tired himself out and not had much left for the later rounds like against Tito.
NinjaCodah
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Nah, do watch it again. He was knocked down pretty hard and couldn't defend himself properly. He was wobbling a lot while trying to stand up. I know, it's hard to believe that Nog could ever be TKO'd, but it happened for realHitman said:
I thought Rampage would win. What a fucking knockout! I'm really glad for him, but I also feel bad for wandy :\ This was a fight that needed to happen.
I always believed that Frank Mir would have Zero chance against Nogueira, but lately I changed my mind and thought he would actually win by going the distance... somehow! But man was he impressive tonight! knocking down Nog and all (even if most of the time Big Nog is just pretending, just to get in his guard). Frank Mir did what even Fedor couldn't do. Lots of Frank Mir haters need to apologize to him i believe. At this very moment, the HW belt should be his alone.
I thought Forrest would win by fighting the way he did during the first 2 rounds all the way to a decision, but then round 3 showed some awesome GnP from Rashad. Credits to him, he's awesome and WAY underrated. Rashad is very well rounded and improving every time, I'm very curious to see how he'll lose (one day).
Another excellent event from the UFC! I looooooove the UFC!
Hopefully the Mir-Lesnar title fight will happen in April in Montreal, so that i may finally see an actual event in person.
bigtroyjon
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whytemyke said:
forrests arm was flailing around.
joe asked rashad if he thought forrest was tapping.
"He kept smiling at me so I couldn't tell if he was hurt or not"
forrest said he was mostly out and the only reason he was moving was because of the momentum from rashad hitting him.
NinjaCodah
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mrbagdt said:
It's the year of the upsets, seriously!
That's a good point about him gassing out but if he only strikes with Machida, he will lose. At least seal (or steal) the fight with a takedown at the end of each round. Use everything to your advantage.Stoney Mason said:
Also, Forrest did tap, slow ass ref stopped it late and Forrest took unnecessary punches to the head.
And Nog did get guard at the end. He just never even used his arm to block the half dozen unanswered punches to his head at the end there.
BOTH my guys won. I'm am going to gloat so bad when Sherdog comes back up. They swore up and down Rampage ain't have a chance but they didn't understand that was a much different Rampage and a different Wanderlei. Forrest doesn't deserve the belt right now in the first place so I knew Rashad would do what he had to do. How did Big Nog do?
awww shit. though i think forrest did a poor job of bringing rashad in. he seemed content to just try and hold his wrists, he would grab the neck occasionally, but never really pull evans in. props to rashad though, good fightBamYouHaveAids said:
surrealist
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Trax416 said:
Agreed. Machida is feared by the entire LHW division.
SolidSnakex
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Trax416 said:
Rashad would be out of the UFC by now if he lost to everyone he wasn't supposed to beat.
surrealist said:
didn't you hear RAMPAGE?... He an't scurred o Nobody!!
I can see Evens and Jackson beating Machida.... that style can only last so long.....
I would rather see Jackson fight Shogun or just wait it out.... but I'd rather see Evens fight Machida first.....
I'm not too into this Black on Black crime as Rampage would put it....but if it has to happen..it has to happen... it would be a VERY interesting fight...
Awesome way to end 2008!
Rampage really needed that KO. I had no faith in his training camp or mental state but he came through with the KO of the night. Wanderlei was just too cocky and left himself wide open. I think Rampage needs one more fight before a title shot. Wanderlei vs Chuck II? No thanks, but I think that's Wanderlei's next fight.
Mir shocked me, I didn't think he had a shot in hell in beating Nog. After Mir's first knockdown on Nog I thought, "Nog has him right where he wants him!" :lol I seriously thought another zombie submission win for Nog was coming but age finally caught up with Minotauro. Before this fight I really did not want to see a Mir vs Lesnar II, but now I'm hyped. Will the old king complete the come-back and reclaim his throne, or will the new generation revenge his loss and become the real heavyweight champ?
Forest vs Rashad did not disappoint. Forest won the first 2 rounds, but Rashad was not fazed and gnped Forest unconscious. Pretty sure Rashad will be fighting the winner of Machida vs Thiago Silva as it will be a title fight of undefeateds.
Rampage really needed that KO. I had no faith in his training camp or mental state but he came through with the KO of the night. Wanderlei was just too cocky and left himself wide open. I think Rampage needs one more fight before a title shot. Wanderlei vs Chuck II? No thanks, but I think that's Wanderlei's next fight.
Mir shocked me, I didn't think he had a shot in hell in beating Nog. After Mir's first knockdown on Nog I thought, "Nog has him right where he wants him!" :lol I seriously thought another zombie submission win for Nog was coming but age finally caught up with Minotauro. Before this fight I really did not want to see a Mir vs Lesnar II, but now I'm hyped. Will the old king complete the come-back and reclaim his throne, or will the new generation revenge his loss and become the real heavyweight champ?
Forest vs Rashad did not disappoint. Forest won the first 2 rounds, but Rashad was not fazed and gnped Forest unconscious. Pretty sure Rashad will be fighting the winner of Machida vs Thiago Silva as it will be a title fight of undefeateds.
BigJonsson
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I met Roger Huerta at work tonight
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Very down to earth guy
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