Uhh, no.
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The Order 1886 Review Thread
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Uhh, no.
bananafactory
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I wonder how different the mentality would be if this was 5 points higher at a 70 rather than a 65.
It was well written and well reasoned. You may not agree, but it is still a great review.
Always-honest
Banned
Thanx. No i wasn't aming for that. What parody site?
Well don't speak for all of us. FH2, Sunset Overdrive, Shadow of Mordor, and Dead Rising 3 have sated my next gen expectations so far.
Oh yeah, they learned from that too. I think the thing that worries me is that PS2 gen Sony could stand to be a bit more generous and allow for mistakes. Five years in development, definitely big budget, but if it gets poor sales on top of poor reception... how forgiving will Sony be? Will there be a second chance? If they do, given that they have an astonishing engine in place, can they make a genuinely good game this time around?
I think they can. It's not faith per say, I've played their other games and know talent is there. I think this was a lot about pressure, being unprepared for the big time and having a poor focus. I think a lot of this can be fixed with lessons learned from Order development.
I mean I am a graphics whore, I do play games for visuals and I'm sure The Order will be one such game I play for visuals. But in order for that to be the case, it has to make up for the mediocre gameplay not just in visuals but in story. The problem seems to be that the plot is really, truly awful. It was always B movie schlock conceptually, but it takes itself too seriously and the writing simply does not hold up well enough to do the work. It falls apart.
The Order is evolving games into what exactly? Corridor shooters are nothing new. And the story is just run of the mill fantasy. I'm all for different concepts.
TheJollyCorner
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Who's "we"? Do you have someone in your pocket?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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They said something close, so dial back any potential scathing directed at RAD by a couple of notches and those words still stand. It's not really about them or The Order; it's about the trend The Order embodies. It's not a good trend for gaming.
Neither is the pricing and DLC scheme for Evolve, another game that perfectly embodies some of the worst aspects of a particular trend atm.
pr0cs
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Well clearly they felt like the game needed something added to it. A 'cinematic' experience is all fine and dandy but if there is no reason to go back to the game then it deserves to be docked points.
- no multiplayer
- no coop (hotseat or online)
- no collectables or branching paths
- no multiple playthroughs with different characters using different playstyles (sniper, sapper, heavy, etc)
Even lukewarm received games like Ryse had a lot of these things and yet people believed The Order to get similar scores? I don't see how, and I didn't even mention that a lot of review complaints were that the story was disjointed and ends poorly.
Ze_Pershing
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Really disappointed with this release. I can't even fathom how you can release a game that's only 7 hours, 3 hours of that are cinematic sequences you can't skip and on top of all that not even giving us a co-op at THE LEAST? I gotta question where all those 5 years of work went to? And to ask people to spend $60 on this? Sorry guys, not happening.
I honestly hope this game tanks, as gamers, we deserve more.
I honestly hope this game tanks, as gamers, we deserve more.
Halph n Halph
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While I applaud Sony for supporting the PS3 right up to and beyond the release of their new platform. I agree wholeheartedly with this post.
Live Free or Die
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Wow, I can't believe people won't buy a game because someone from some site didn't give the game a certain number.
I honestly don't know why people go with review scores to justify there purchase. I honestly go with my personal feelin of I'd like the game and is it something i'll enjoy. I've seen gameplay and intrigued by it. But nowadays people tend to put too much weight on scores. I'd still buy a game if it gets a 2, if its something i'll enjoy. Give it a chance, GAF.
……forgetit
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The Verge preferring style over substance. Who would have guessed.
Err, no. I was confusing it with this interview:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=826123
Leafhopper
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Graphics are the most important thing in making a video game, didn't you hear.
I swear.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
If you didn't have a passion for making games, you sure as hell wouldn't spend years working on a triple A game.
Impeccable
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Combination of the Telltale formula and games that play more traditionally, in this case a TPS.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's reviewing about as bad as my pessimistic prediction was. My hope/optimisic prediction would peg it around 80 at most, but at least some critics I've heard of on MC seem to like it on that end of spectrum, so hopefully I will too.
ROFL
Otakumegane
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Number 10 on most wanted neogaf.
Well these scores are what you get if you just throw mechanics out the window.
Well these scores are what you get if you just throw mechanics out the window.
sobaka770
Banned
Oh I'm sorry I cannot spend my money on the game that I want now?
I actually don't mind the QTEs (Tomb Raider reboot had plenty of those and look how people enjoy that), I love the setting and I'm a sucker for shiny new graphics, so I don't think that I'm throwing money away at all. The game where my money was wasted was actually GTA5 because I don't like its setting, world and characters. That's right, I said it, GTA5 is a waste of money for me personally.
Now, please, let me enjoy the linear experience that I like and fund the next game which I hope will only be better since the engine and assets are already there.
AmateurHour212
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Eh, a few of my buddies that got review copies say to not rely on the review scores. It's a cinematic game and, if you're expecting CoD or an open-world shooter, you'll be disappointed. That said, it's like playing a movie. If that isn't for you, it's a skip.
Personally, that sounds kind of cool. Not something I'd want all the time, but a good change of pace.
Personally, that sounds kind of cool. Not something I'd want all the time, but a good change of pace.
ChasingComets
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And here we are, with the legions of "I told you so"s. Were there ever this many naysayers during the hype phase?
I'm not going to defend the game, because this was exactly how I expected and preached it would turn out; anyone who had a go-around on one of the builds already warned of it being overwhelmingly average, and playing through the final game hasn't changed my early impressions from those.
At the same time, I'd have to wonder if this is part of an all-encompassing, unconscious reaction to 2014's abysmal trend in games, and game journalism respectively. The Order probably has one of the most critical of receptions I've seen for a triple A title in recent years, where it was previously common practice for incredibly vapid and sub-standard titles to get more leeway. Have all the broken products and maligned trends finally break the camel's back?
I'm not going to defend the game, because this was exactly how I expected and preached it would turn out; anyone who had a go-around on one of the builds already warned of it being overwhelmingly average, and playing through the final game hasn't changed my early impressions from those.
At the same time, I'd have to wonder if this is part of an all-encompassing, unconscious reaction to 2014's abysmal trend in games, and game journalism respectively. The Order probably has one of the most critical of receptions I've seen for a triple A title in recent years, where it was previously common practice for incredibly vapid and sub-standard titles to get more leeway. Have all the broken products and maligned trends finally break the camel's back?
Klart
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HighResTomato
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The reviews keep getting more brutal. Can't wait for some one to stitch all the cutscenes together.
We've had AAA games with this stuff for years - COD, etc. This has no branching story and similar story focus.
Miles Quaritch
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Is it just the number or the reasons behind that number?
Come on, you know better. No need for this.
Beyond the issues the games are simply more fun and enjoyable. A game can still be fun with bugs and performance issues.
You can't make a boring experience fun. You can fix bugs.
why didn't i read the first pages earlier....
Sounds like he was reviewing Ryse, as they are pretty much the same complaints that Ryse was lambasted for.
FTR, I thought Ryse was OK, and will still probably get The Order when the price is right.
Shadow_FFVI
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I wonder how healthy that is for this industry. Reviewers shouldn't be swayed by what is the most popular genre or what type of game is in vogue, when they make an assesment of quality.
Like in the movies industry, you should asses what kind of game the developer was aiming for and with that in mind, judge how well realized the end product is.
The goal posts can't keep being moved in regards to what is acceptable for a game to aim towards. The sooner we accept that this industry has room for all types of experiences and encourages that, the sooner publishers will be more willing to try different things.
PeregrinSe7en
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so you prefer your games rushed out of the gate ala MCC & AC U?
those games are still broken to this day
So it's a non-broken game, made with skill. its average length, and it's a 1/5? But they gave MCC a 90? It's hard for me to take the site seriously.
The Pachter curse lives on.
Graphics Horse
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The reviews keep getting more brutal. Can't wait for some one to stitch all the cutscenes together.
That happened a few days ago..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zC5DUctWb0
Astral Dog
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Oh my God, 64?
l knew something was wrong when even DF commented on the gameplay,
l knew something was wrong when even DF commented on the gameplay,
or is not that?
It's not the overall score for some of us, it's the content of the reviews.
I don't care if a game got a 6/10 or "thumbs down/no". All of the reviews are basically saying the same thing but in different words. The game just isn't that good. There is a bit of fun to be had but not much.
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