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The Order 1886 Review Thread

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DirtyLarry

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I honestly do not care about reviews much at all, however over the years I have generally found the outlet I tend to disagree with the least amount is GameTrailers. Generally speaking their reviews have always seemed to be consistent with my personal approach... Treat games seriously enough since it is my prefered hobby, but not so serious that it borders on petty and nitpicking.
I think their video review was actually very positive when all is said and done.

Bottom line is I still am going to make my own judgement and pick the game up. If I wind up regretting it, I wind up regretting it, but the fact that so many people have been swayed into not picking it up has actually made me want to play it even more. I truly have to find out for myself if it is really as big of a dud as people are saying it is.
 
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Derpyduck

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drotahorror said:
Best game released this gen not including remasters.

I think it's actually funny people quote Driveclub as being bad. Most Driveclub owners will tell you it's one of the best racing games you can play.
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It's a solid racing game that is deserving of its average score. It is by no means a bad game.
 
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MrHoot

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Well, I'd agree the order is a 100$ delicious steak.

They just forgot to add the sauce, any side dish or vegetables, plates and napkins. And it takes 2 minutes to finish I guess
 
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gotstrangepowers

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Alebrije said:
Soon on PS Plus : The Order 1886.

Well , maybe by next year but I can wait since is just a singleplayer experience.

The only way I can se this game gets more appeal is with a great cheap/free DLC that improves the whole experience (length).

Paying 60 bucks its a lot for most players for just few hours of gameplay , you can pay the same for a game like Bloodborne that will give you more gameplay time.
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This is the real tragedy. Add this to Knack and Killzone as what a lot of people beg for PSplus instead of good games like Transistor and Rogue Legacy.
 
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enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
drotahorror said:
Best game released this gen not including remasters.

I think it's actually funny people quote Driveclub as being bad. Most Driveclub owners will tell you it's one of the best racing games you can play.

It's also funny how people just take reviewers and critics for their word. Glad I don't blindly follow what they say or I'd miss out on some games (ie Driveclub).
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Ok, but the reviewers had the launch version of Driveclub. Wasn't the game only good after numerous updates and patches that should have been there from day 1?
 
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Uncle Rupee

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Isn't Ryse also pretty short? Seems like you are paying for the AAA visuals in both games. That might be alright for some people who want to see what these consoles are capable of. I mean this game is, arguably, one of the best looking console games ever made...
 
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Stereogatari

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Amir0x said:
Post-purchase rationalization.

It's why I have a trusted GAFer list. I am not concerned with posters who simply buy something they were anticipating and then shut off their critical faculties in the analysis. So many people do that instinctively, they anticipate something and then are incapable of actually just admitting all that time they spent hyped for the product was a waste so they go about justifying it in ever more heightened ways. Even if everyone else says it's mediocre, everyone else is seeing it the wrong way. They find less and less flaws, until everyone is nitpicking.

For me, for a GAFer to make my trusted opinion list it works like this... take a game I either love or hate and have expressed myself in detail about. Then, read a poster who disagrees with my position, but goes to length to articulate why in a way that makes sense and is rational. The mark of a good critic is not that you always agree with them, it's that you can respect the merit of their opinion even when you disagree. At least, that's what I've found.

So especially when I see someone willing to take a game they anticipated to task for not being completely up to snuff, I make note of that individual because it means they are less likely to make excuses for a game just because they pre-ordered it and spent the last two years anticipating it.

Problem with lots of people who rush out in excitement to get something is that they spend so much time building it up, posting about how rad it's gonna be on forums, that going back and admitting it's not all it was made out to be is tough for some folk.
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I've read about your "trusted list" before. The more I hear about it, the more chance I may create one of my own.
 
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SSReborn

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I dunno where this whole narrative about impressions were blinded by hype or whatever is coming from but all I know is in my case that is entirely false.
 
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RibMan

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Disappointing reviews. The graphics turned out fantastic, but everything else seems to have turned out bad. Red flags have been up for a while, so the majority of the scores aren't wholly unexpected.
 
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Jarmel

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Opiate said:
This is one of the reasons why the hype cycle exists in the first place; it provides customers with so much built up hype that they will be very reluctant to admit the game is bad even if that badness should be readily apparent. Whether this applies to The Order: 1886 in particular I can't speak to; I haven't played this particular game. I'm speaking generally, in this case.
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It can backfire though. My anger with ME3 knew no bounds.
 
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Grimalkin

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llAuburnll said:
I dont understand this. Multiplayer bugs aside, the game is fun as heck and has a crap ton of content even if you never touch multiplayer. The game does have serious issues, but it's extremely fun and the content level is absurd. The order just seems to be thr opposite. That's why it is reviewing bad. Can we drop the journalism integrity or standards thing? There's obvious reasons MCC scored what it did,regardless of how high or low others score. Technically sound or bug free does not a good game make.
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If we are going to review games based on their value proposition (the amount of content you get for your money) then things like the Sega Genesis Classic Game Pack should get 50/10. This erroneous belief is also we why get things like Dragon Age Inquisition that's 60+ hours long but only 10 of those hours were actually fun - I believe Kotaku mentioned this in one of their articles about DAI so kudos to them but their review system is a basic yes/no format so it didn't have much of an impact on the actual review.

There is the quality of the content - which you could argue that The Order fails on, in fact that is the argument of these reviews - and then there is the quality of the product (bugs, nonfunctional features, etc) which my other 2 examples failed on. Reviewing the quality of the content is a critical exercise and completely subjective. Reviewing the quality of the product is very objective - it either works up to par or it does not. And for whatever reason game journalists are either unable to or unwilling to properly review the product side of games.
 
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User 479360

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I'm not sure if it's been posted yet, but:

We Got This Covered - 6/10

The Order: 1886 is a disappointing and short game that fails to live up to the hype that surrounds it. However, if you're willing to overlook its faults and sit through its abundance of lengthy cutscenes, you'll find that there's some fun to be had. It's fleeting, but it's there.
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hodgy100

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Koh said:
Do you guys think RAD is surprised by the score this game is getting in reviews? Sometimes when you make something you value it higher than others.

Or do you think they expected this but decided to cut their loses?
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Developers aren't as blind to the faults in their games as you think they are. if anything they are more critical of it than the critics.
 
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Constantine81

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Jim Sterling confirmed my fears regarding 1886. After watching the first time gameplay videos I had this strange feeling I was watching way too many cut-scenes and not enough gameplay. I can't remember the exact scenario, but there was some walking, a lycan appears and then jumps one of The Order. In this scene the only gameplay was a few button mashes when the lycan appeared. It sounds like most the game follows this pattern. It's probably worth a $30 purchase. I'll wait for a price drop. It certainly sounds like I won't have to wait long for one.
 
drotahorror

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Alebrije said:
Paying 60 bucks its a lot for most players for just few hours of gameplay , you can pay the same for a game like Bloodborne that will give you more gameplay time.
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I wish Dying Light was only a few hours. Instead it's 30+ with more fetch quests and herb picking than World of Warcraft. I can't even bring myself to finish it. Blame myself for doing the sidequests though.
 
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SaitoH

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I have no problem with a cinematic game, but it bums me out that the game couldn't even manage to have a good story and characters (apparently).

I think it would be fascinating to watch a behind the scenes documentary on the creation of this game.
 
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curb

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Elios83 said:
The fact that reviewers have double standards depending on the game and its developer/publisher is clearly true.

But the problem with The Order is that the game tries to do something that many people (particularly among the press) nowadays simply don't appreciate.
You have to be open world, you have to put the player always in control, you need at least a decent co-op mode, you need replayability with tons of useless fetch quests. If you try to innovate within that formula is the icing on the cake.
Those are the guidelines if you want to make a well recevied/scored game today.
RAD decided to make an interactive movie with third person shooter sections, they're getting shit for it. Same shit that David Cage and others got plain and simple.
The way they handled their PR which was stupidly shady, trying to hide what the game was for too long (because they knew that it wasn't what most people wanted) didn't help.
Still there is a market for these titles. There are people who actually like these kind of experiences so it's up to them if this game will be successful on the market or not.
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I think that sounds about right.
 
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orthodoxy1095

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enigmatic_alex44 said:
Ok, but the reviewers had the launch version of Driveclub. Wasn't the game only good after numerous updates and patches that should have been there from day 1?
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Actually what's funny about Driveclub is that they gave the game its score BEFORE the launch meaning they didn't see the online issues. So by right, the game should actually be scored lower probably.
 
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Deadbeat

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Considering this was Sony's Ryse more or less, how much did Ryse sell on the xbone? Im betting the order will sell better because of the larger install base and more preorders, but I wonder by how much.
 
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Servbot24

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Elios83 said:
The fact that reviewers have double standards depending on the game and its developer/publisher is clearly true.

But the problem with The Order is that the game tries to do something that many people (particularly among the press) nowadays simply don't appreciate.
You have to be open world, you have to put the player always in control, you need at least a decent co-op mode, you need replayability with tons of useless fetch quests. If you try to innovate within that formula is the icing on the cake.
Those are the guidelines if you want to make a well recevied/scored game today.
RAD decided to make an interactive movie with third person shooter sections, they're getting shit for it. Same shit that David Cage and others got plain and simple.
The way they handled their PR which was stupidly shady, trying to hide what the game was for too long (because they knew that it wasn't what most people wanted) didn't help.
Still there is a market for these titles. There are people who actually like these kind of experiences so it's up to them if this game will be successful on the market or not.
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How did they hide it? Promo material was primarily cutscenes and pretty graphics with a couple snippets of gameplay, just like the game itself.



Kusagari said:
Sony strikes out again.

Naughty Dog is Sony's only saving grace first party wise.
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Pretty lazy troll attempt m8.
 
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asmudge

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Patrick Bateman said:
I actually don't wanna dig through 37 pages to see if it was already posted, but the subtitles and the laughter in this video kill me:

"Interview" with a Ready at Dawn-developer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-u5tvQC34
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Tom-Cruise-crazy-laugh.gif


The i dont have time for long games one is hilarious.
 
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Atomski

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drotahorror said:
Best game released this gen not including remasters.

I think it's actually funny people quote Driveclub as being bad. Most Driveclub owners will tell you it's one of the best racing games you can play.

It's also funny how people just take reviewers and critics for their word. Glad I don't blindly follow what they say or I'd miss out on some games (ie Driveclub).
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I own Driveclub and think it's a very midocre racer.. really don't understand the praise it gets from its cult following.

This is coming from someone who loves racing games as well..
 
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Daingurse

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Jarmel said:
It can backfire though. My anger with ME3 knew no bounds.
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Didn't even hate ME3, but it didn't live up to the massive amount of hype I had for it whatsoever. I felt simply cold on the game when all was said and done. Hype really can backfire badly, but it can really enhance enjoyment of a title too. It's a risk you take I suppose, getting hype for anything. Hope Witcher 3 lives up to my hype, lol.
 
HF2014

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MegaSackman said:
Emm actually no, Heavy Rain does NOT have an incredible story, let alone characters!!
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You might have not liking it, but Heavy Rain was great. Tons of people here wont agree with you. Heavy Rain is a 9/10 game, when this Order seem to get bash from mutiples angles.
 
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