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[ShockingAlberto]

A lot of the media (like Game Informer, Eurogamer, and IGN) really, really liked Asura's Wrath.

Is the claim now that they actually do like the mostly non-interactive cinematic game but only if it's Japanese? Because that would be absurd.

 

[Mory Dunz]

I was gonna read this thread but it's way too fast.


Where are the play by play highlights

 

[Jarmel]

The fact that reviewers have double standards depending on the game and its developer/publisher is clearly true.

But the problem with The Order is that the game tries to do something that many people (particularly among the press) nowadays simply don't appreciate.
You have to be open world, you have to put the player always in control, you need at least a decent co-op mode, you need replayability with tons of useless fetch quests. If you try to innovate within that formula is the icing on the cake.
Those are the guidelines if you want to make a well recevied/scored game today.
RAD decided to make an interactive movie with third person shooter sections, they're getting shit for it. Same shit that David Cage and others got plain and simple.
The way they handled their PR which was stupidly shady, trying to hide what the game was for too long (because they knew that it wasn't what most people wanted) didn't help.
Still there is a market for these titles. There are people who actually like these kind of experiences so it's up to them if this game will be successful on the market or not.

This is absolutely not true. I mean just look at TLOU.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

This is so common here.

Its that same old ugly 'hype' phenomenon that causes otherwise rational people to lose their heads completely, and abandon all of the defence mechanisms consumers have developed over years of being advertised and marketed to.

Some people seem unable to separate excitement from crazy. It gets to a point where they go so far down one road, there is no turning back.

The games industry, and community, would be a much better place for everyone if people could just chill out, be a bit less hysterical, and a bit more critical, and channel enthusiasm in more constructive ways than is the case right now.

Its cool to be excited and passionate about your hobby, but don't lose your head.

It's interesting that this is almost the exact antithesis of the "the internet is too cynical about things" sentiment that was being discussed yesterday.

 

[Exile20]

5 from Gamekult.

http://www.gamekult.com/jeux/test-the-order-1886-J3050151450t.html#ps4

Seems fair. They're saying 6 hours length (3h gameplay, 3h cinematics), but the most important point they're making is that other than the technical aspects, all other aspects are dated, from story to stealth, gunfights, QTE and plot twists. Ouch.

3hrs of gameplay? what in the living fuck. And people are still paying $60 for this?

 

[MrxDemix]

Best game released this gen not including remasters.

I think it's actually funny people quote Driveclub as being bad. Most Driveclub owners will tell you it's one of the best racing games you can play.

It's also funny how people just take reviewers and critics for their word. Glad I don't blindly follow what they say or I'd miss out on some games (ie Driveclub).

Well, you have two sides to that argument. I can't think of anyone I personally know in my circle of friends who thought Driveclub was anything other than bad (we all are PlayStation fans).

But that's all off-topic.

The Order: 1886 has some really special pieces, but just needed more emphasis on gameplay and content. I wouldn't have minded a worse looking game with 30% more of its resources allocated to gameplay. I think it would have benefited greatly.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Nah, nobody genuinely expected Knack to review well. It was only hyped up for shits and giggles.

On what planet did people expect The Order to review well?

 

[Shaunboy97]

 

[Alienous]

I wonder now if Galahad will appear in Playstation All Stars 2?

Why not? Ready at Dawn will probably be making it.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

How much did Ryse sell on the xbone? Im betting the order will sell better because of the larger install base and more preorders, but I wonder by how much.

Don't see why that matters, but I think it was 430k-some-odd units according to LTD figures from Microsoft.

Edit: 431k when figures released January 2014. Not sure if there's anything more recent (thought I read DR3 broke a million at some point, where it was only halfway there in that batch of LTD figures).

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Yeah, total bummer. As a pc owner especially. Thank god for Bloodborne I guess.

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Nah, nobody genuinely expected Knack to review well. It was only hyped up for shits and giggles.

Heh, I frankly had higher expectations for Knack than this.

 

[Alebrije]

Sony strikes out again.

Naughty Dog is Sony's only saving grace first party wise.

Did not know ND developed God of War and Grand Turismo series.

 

[Sojgat]

So what kind of mechanics are in this game other than run, crouch, cover, shoot, and presumably melee? I don't know much about how this game actually plays. Does it offer anything beyond those basics? If not, does it do anything interesting with the enemy encounters, like RE4 did?

There's a bullet time mode that lets you just auto target enemies, but that's about it.

It seems really barebones in terms of gameplay mechanics.

 

[Future]

so much truth here - it hurts
and people are actually saying that now is the best time for gaming due to the sheer variety and diversity of games/experiences

but it seems like in the end, people are just looking for more of the same?

How do people even say this when games like last of us are critical darlings. Sure open world is the a formula and you can have useless fetch quests. But you can ignore all of that if it's done really well.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

3hrs of gameplay? what in the living fuck. And people are still paying $60 for this?

See it's like steak

 

[Kusagari]

Poor Santa Monica

I agree. They have to keep making bad God of War games.

 

[Constantine81]

On what planet did people expect The Order to review well?

I was hoping for high scores, but only expected mediocre ones. You're right, man. I don't think anybody expected it to score high.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Sony strikes out again.

Naughty Dog is Sony's only saving grace first party wise.

Derp troll derp

 

[Duxxy3]

Considering this was Sony's Ryse more or less, how much did Ryse sell on the xbone? Im betting the order will sell better because of the larger install base and more preorders, but I wonder by how much.

Was 431k at the end of 2013. I'll be a optimistic and add another 200k on top of that.

So even with the reviews it's getting, The order should easily clear 600k. 1.5-2m lifetime is my guess.

 

[Putty]

lol, so many people coming out of the woodwork to stick the boot in.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I'd fit the bill as a PS fanboy, having prefered PS systems since 1995. But Sony exclusives have been very hit and miss to me since halfway through the PS3 generation. They aren't the type of games I blindly buy. I've been burned by GT5, Twisted Metal, Killzone 3 and more. My Ps4 introduction started with the terrible Shadow Fall. Knack I borrowed and was also shit.

Infamous Second Son was actually good value, but not as good as Infamous 2 imho (the game is lacking something). Driveclub has also been good value so far, though it was a complete mess during launch.

I honestly think I will like The Order much more than Knack or SF, it might even be a Resistance 3 surprise to me. Who knows. But I have a hard time buying this for the full whack right now.

 

[Jarmel]

Did not know ND developed God of War and Grand Turismo series.

Is this the part where we pretend that GoW brings something to the table other than graphics?

 

[SkoomaSuckinSwit]

Knack, Killzone, Driveclub and now this.. Sony is on fire with their exclusives.

They are, I enjoyed all these games.

 

[Ants]

This is surely a dumb junior question but what exactly would cause you to get banned in a review thread? Why is that a gigantic running joke?

 

[AHA-Lambda]

See it's like steak

This will be the next "feel of 60fps" won't it?

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

I am about to start playing now.

Expect my "Gamelentil" review soon.

Without playing it, I can definitely say it's 10/10.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I actually don't wanna dig through 37 pages to see if it was already posted, but the subtitles and the laughter in this video kill me:

"Interview" with a Ready at Dawn-developer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-u5tvQC34

Ahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Derp troll derp

Maybe they don't enjoy Gran Turismo, God of War, etc? I know I don't.

 

[MormaPope]

A lot of the media (like Game Informer, Eurogamer, and IGN) really, really liked Asura's Wrath.

Is the claim now that they actually do like the mostly non-interactive cinematic game but only if it's Japanese? Because that would be absurd.

Max Payne 3 was also viewed quite favorably, and Max Payne 3 is arguably the closest thing to The Order if you needed to compare it to something.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I was gonna read this thread but it's way too fast.


Where are the play by play highlights

Do you know that guy who was really into Star Wars and just refused to admit the prequel movies were bad for a really long time and got upset when you said they were to the point where you just realized it's better to stop talking about it

What if that guy were lots of guys

 

[asmudge]

Sony strikes out again.

Naughty Dog is Sony's only saving grace first party wise.

Yeah unless santa monica evolve the GOW formula wws is mainly mediocrity bar ND. Or who knows, maybe evolution and GG will get it together eventually and its all just start of a new gen syndrome.

I was going to say santa monica AND polyphony back there. I need some caffeine in me.

 

[Deadbeat]

This is absolutely not true. I mean just look at TLOU.

TLOU has a lot of actual gameplay btw. Theres branching paths along the way, thing you can do in certain areas (shiv doors and safes), a crafting and upgrade system, and its a hell of a lot longer of a game.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Sony strikes out again.

Naughty Dog is Sony's only saving grace first party wise.

Spoiler

I'm not sure if I agree or disagree. I just wanted to avatar quote.

 

[KalBalboa]

It's this year's Lair from the sound of it...

Oh please.

 

[Derpyduck]

so much truth here - it hurts
and people are actually saying that now is the best time for gaming due to the sheer variety and diversity of games/experiences

but it seems like in the end, people are just looking for more of the same?

Yes, like when that huge open world collect-a-thon Walking Dead game won all those GOTY awards. Or TLOU. Stop it.

 

[EBE]

ouch. i was hoping this game would sell me a PS4. i think now i'll wait. im sure i could find some fun with it now, but not enough to justify that kind of a purchase.

 

[Welfare]

Was 431k at the end of 2013. I'll be a optimistic and add another 200k on top of that.

So even with the reviews it's getting, The order should easily clear 600k. 1.5-2m lifetime is my guess.

Isn't that just the US?

Because The Order will not get that much.

 

[DNAbro]

This is surely a dumb junior question but what exactly would cause you to get banned in a review thread? Why is that a gigantic running joke?

some people freak out when games review badly. Or they show their inner fanboy.

Or poor people like Tetsuo who get banned for a brilliant joke.

 

[GCX]

Housemarque?

Not a first party studio.

 

[MrMatt555]

And the trend of Ps4 exclusives failing to Convince me to buy a ps4 Continues.

 

[cjp]

Has The Register review been posted? Don't really feel like trawling through 80~ pages.

Sony was obviously hoping The Order: 1886 would be the Holy Grail of exclusive releases for the PS4, but early rumours of shaky game mechanics and overly long cutscenes combined with jilted quick time events seemed like a curse from Morgan Le Fay.

The Order: 1886 is stunning and surely the best-looking game that I've seen on the PlayStation 4. Well done! Ready at Dawn, Fellini would be proud of your cinematic devices, the grainy imperfections and constantly changing depth of field make the visuals truly immersive (and almost make you feel like you're playing on your PC).

Familiar real world locales such as the London Underground, the Palace of Westminster, Big Ben, Mayfair and Whitechapel are all given a sinister makeover. The character models are suitably impressive, every whisker and eyelash is brought to life with an unnerving level of precision, as is the lip-syncing and voice acting, which sports a breathtaking attention to detail.

The Order: 1886's gameplay mechanics depend heavily on cutscenes and quick time events (QTEs). When mixed with combat, I found these surprisingly enjoyable and exciting. This may be controversial, but I wish more games had them, as it stops me zoning out. For example, early on, while picking my nose, I missed a QTE cue and some arsehole cockney redcoat snatched my gun.

Despite negative rumours stoking up plenty of clickbait out there, going into The Order: 1886 I was aware that it was a linear single player experience with a constructed narrative and can be more positive about the game as a result.

This is not an inspired game and there’s nothing new here (sorry, Sony), but ultimately I had fun playing this game. Unfortunately, it was not £50's worth of fun, especially since I feel it doesn’t have the replay value of a game like Wolfenstein.

Yet one of the great things about this game is that I can finish it and feel good about completing it. Experiencing the weaving and often thrilling narrative from beginning to end is the point, rather than making a huge open world 80-hour game just for the sake of it.

I can promise it won’t be stuck on the shelf with all those other games that are impossible to finish if you have a day job. I reckon this interactive immersive sinister yarn will entertain you for longer than five hours, no matter what YouTube says. Alternating current FTW! ®

3.5/5 - The Register - The Order: 1886 – Round Table game's all right on the knight

 

[Alavard]

so much truth here - it hurts
and people are actually saying that now is the best time for gaming due to the sheer variety and diversity of games/experiences

but it seems like in the end, people are just looking for more of the same?

You would do well to look at the top rated games on Metacritic for 2014. Of course there are open-world games like Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age: Inquisition. However, we've also got stuff like Wolfenstein: The New Order, The Last of Us Remastered, Dark Souls II, Bayonetta 2, Divinity: Original Sin, Shovel Knight, and a slew of other indie games.

 

[Putty]

Is this the part where we pretend that GoW brings something to the table other than graphics?

Really? multiple 80%+ ratings on Meta suggests nothing but GFX?

 

[Jarmel]

TLOU has a lot of actual gameplay btw. Theres branching paths along the way, thing you can do in certain areas (shiv doors and safes), a crafting and upgrade system, and its a hell of a lot longer of a game.

Oh I agree.

 

[jmood88]

A lot of the media (like Game Informer, Eurogamer, and IGN) really, really liked Asura's Wrath.

Is the claim now that they actually do like the mostly non-interactive cinematic game but only if it's Japanese? Because that would be absurd.

No, the claim is that The Order isn't fun while many reviewers liked what they did in Asura's Wrath. I don't know what you're confused about; just because games have similar mechanics, it doesn't mean that they're executed in the same way, as you can clearly see.

 

[Schryver]

Isn't that just the US?

Because The Order will not get that much.

Really? The PS4 has a much bigger install base than Xbone had at that time.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

3hrs of gameplay? what in the living fuck. And people are still paying $60 for this?

No matter how you cut it that is ridiculous. Not because of the length of time you get, but because it doesn't seem any of it is skill-based, i.e that's the average time for someone who's on Normal, not very experienced in the game and playing for the first time.

Game doesn't even lend itself well to speedruns i.e a Resident Evil or Ninja Gaiden because you can't skip the cutscenes.

Artificial padding....with cutscenes.

 

[SgtCobra]

Not a first party studio.

Same goes for RaD.

 

[ISOM]

This is when I lost faith in this game:

Gameplay is something that... it's a game, we make games, we can't get around it.

- Dana Jan, Game Director

I don't understand why this guy doesn't work for disney or dreamworks if he wants to make cinematic movies instead of games.

 

[EightBitNate]

Best game released this gen not including remasters.

I think it's actually funny people quote Driveclub as being bad. Most Driveclub owners will tell you it's one of the best racing games you can play.

It's also funny how people just take reviewers and critics for their word. Glad I don't blindly follow what they say or I'd miss out on some games (ie Driveclub).

Driveclub's not even the best racing game released this gen. Not even second.