I don't really get hyped for games as I go by my own opinion and not others. A lot of people buy into the hype the various studios spin and the random reviewers opinions/ratings far too much. I myself got caught up in it with Destiny and even bought my very first collectors edition game. I quickly learned how I felt about the game(it's really bad). I haven't been hyped for The Order really, I am just really into the whole setting. Despite the reviews I will still get this game tomorrow and see how it is.
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The Order 1886 Review Thread
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I don't really get hyped for games as I go by my own opinion and not others. A lot of people buy into the hype the various studios spin and the random reviewers opinions/ratings far too much. I myself got caught up in it with Destiny and even bought my very first collectors edition game. I quickly learned how I felt about the game(it's really bad). I haven't been hyped for The Order really, I am just really into the whole setting. Despite the reviews I will still get this game tomorrow and see how it is.
God of War is really tired man...
It's gameplay is sorely lacking. It was cute for being edgy in the Ps2 days. Now no one cares.
Tidus_Great
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if reviews mattered i'd never have played the Yakuza series. Ignore pro reviews they are either paid off, not paid off, it's all business either with ads or hits trying to get their names out there.
Backfoggen
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As I predicted a notch above Ryse but still down in the ultra-linearity ghetto. Will still rent just like I did with Ryse.
TLOU is an exception, not the rule.
I completely misread your post. Sorry about that.
User 479360
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Ascension was garbage up until its final parts, where it got pretty fun. The first 60% or more was a slog, though.
Pestilence11
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Holy shit! 42 page thread. The reviews are a bit lower than I was expecting but not by much. The biggest disappointment for me is them scrapping the materials based physics/ destruction and being completely silent about it.
Journey, Gone Home, The Walking Dead, The Stanley Parable, Papers Please, all these games were critically adored and they're far from being traditional games.
People arguing that critics and gamers as a whole want more of the same are speaking some weak ass shit.
Welfare
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It's full year 2013 NPD.
-MD-
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I'm still sad about it, it was honestly the best multiplayer game on PS3 imo.
When it worked nothing even came close to matching the fun that game provided, I stuck it out for a year or two as long as I could until matches started taking 20 minutes to find and just had to finally drop it.
2012 GOTY for me, would buy a PS4 port with better netcode day 1.
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!
This is glorious. I was crying.......
All I was thinking was the impressions thread. Was it posted there yet?
Ready GAF?
LOL this gif shall see much repurposing, but my god, it's so good
Halo became over saturated and likewise it's hype went down with each release.
If Reach and 4 had the hype 3 had sales would've shot up each time.
I completely forgot about that; welp. So can cover spots break or anything?
FalsettoVibe
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Yeah, it was good. Are there more subtitled versions of this video?
reynal1287
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Reviewers must be wrong then. All god of war gamez r bad confirmed.
ArkkAngel007
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I'm not sure how I feel about the price being a factor in reviews, but even without it taken into account the game likely wouldn't have faired much better being a first party, high production effort.
Maybe if it was an indie title at probably another half of your suggested price there would be some leeway, but that's the whole game of expectations and perceptions. Not one that the reviewers are in fault for the most part.
But yeah, if the whole appeal is looking at a game as it is without price being a factor, than that should be held up for every game. Not something to be thrown aside for twisting the knife further in. But price factoring is difficult because as a consumer reviewing the money you spent could color your opinion. As the media typically doesn't have to pay, they may not reflect on that 'bang for your buck' factor that most of their audience is looking for. Kind of a no win factor in reviews that is easily dismissed and requested at the same time.
In a world where MCC gets 80s....this is true.
I've only been able to read about 30 or so pages of this thread so I apologize if I'm repeating things that were said in the interim.
Let me clarify that I LOVE Single player games, I LOVE Story-focused games. I was hyped for this game because it was going to be something that ticked both boxes and presented them with some of the best visuals to date.
But what I'm hearing, and reading, is just so disappointing. Many of the reviews are echoing each other in regards to the main issues which really stand out for me, so I am not at all hopeful for simple differences of interpretation or tastes.
1. The Story is underwhelming. I'm sorry, but I am one who wishes more devs would try to balance Story and Gameplay instead of focusing on one at the expense of the other. Heck, I wouldn't mind if a dev chose to place more emphasis on the story overall, but when it comes at the expense of gameplay and ensuring that the player experience is enjoyable, then you've got a problem. Add insult to injury is the fact that the Story apparently didn't turn out to be anything worthwhile or compelling in the end. That's just the worst possible outcome for something that was constantly advertised for its story and narrative.
2. Poor Level Design. This would probably hurt the most if I was to play this now coming off of the Metroid Prime Trilogy. But the reviews tell of high quality visuals, but again being designed to be "Epic Set Pieces" without much functionality or thought to them, aside from being empty arenas to battle enemies. I have to seriously wonder if their chase for "Super High-Definition HD Graphics" was a detriment overall. (though I often wonder that about the AAA industry in total)
3. No Lore/World Building? Perhaps the biggest disappointment is hearing that they've really done nothing unique with such a inventive setting. Everyone was psyched when we saw the initial concepts and artwork for an alternate Gothic London with Steampunk industrial influences. But reading the reviews make it sound like the Environments and world do not really emphasize these elements and are "pretty to look at, but boring". Something I've also not read in the reviews is any presence of Lore or Examinable world building objects, which would have been IMO a necessity for such a unique setting. Shame.
Those are just the reasons at the top of my head. But I'm sure there are others when it comes to reading about the overall scope of the gameplay and how shallow it seems doing nothing at all unique or interesting. Or the fact that there aren't that many monsters in the game that you battle and instead spend most of the time fighting shotgun wielding blokes. It's just such a shame as this at one point might have compelled me to buy a PS4. But now all that really interests me on that system is BloodBorne and I'm not sure I can justify purchase of a console just for that one game.
Honestly about the ratings I'm not too concerned with the number. It's the content of the reviews that is disappointing me.
Let me clarify that I LOVE Single player games, I LOVE Story-focused games. I was hyped for this game because it was going to be something that ticked both boxes and presented them with some of the best visuals to date.
But what I'm hearing, and reading, is just so disappointing. Many of the reviews are echoing each other in regards to the main issues which really stand out for me, so I am not at all hopeful for simple differences of interpretation or tastes.
1. The Story is underwhelming. I'm sorry, but I am one who wishes more devs would try to balance Story and Gameplay instead of focusing on one at the expense of the other. Heck, I wouldn't mind if a dev chose to place more emphasis on the story overall, but when it comes at the expense of gameplay and ensuring that the player experience is enjoyable, then you've got a problem. Add insult to injury is the fact that the Story apparently didn't turn out to be anything worthwhile or compelling in the end. That's just the worst possible outcome for something that was constantly advertised for its story and narrative.
2. Poor Level Design. This would probably hurt the most if I was to play this now coming off of the Metroid Prime Trilogy. But the reviews tell of high quality visuals, but again being designed to be "Epic Set Pieces" without much functionality or thought to them, aside from being empty arenas to battle enemies. I have to seriously wonder if their chase for "Super High-Definition HD Graphics" was a detriment overall. (though I often wonder that about the AAA industry in total)
3. No Lore/World Building? Perhaps the biggest disappointment is hearing that they've really done nothing unique with such a inventive setting. Everyone was psyched when we saw the initial concepts and artwork for an alternate Gothic London with Steampunk industrial influences. But reading the reviews make it sound like the Environments and world do not really emphasize these elements and are "pretty to look at, but boring". Something I've also not read in the reviews is any presence of Lore or Examinable world building objects, which would have been IMO a necessity for such a unique setting. Shame.
Those are just the reasons at the top of my head. But I'm sure there are others when it comes to reading about the overall scope of the gameplay and how shallow it seems doing nothing at all unique or interesting. Or the fact that there aren't that many monsters in the game that you battle and instead spend most of the time fighting shotgun wielding blokes. It's just such a shame as this at one point might have compelled me to buy a PS4. But now all that really interests me on that system is BloodBorne and I'm not sure I can justify purchase of a console just for that one game.
Honestly about the ratings I'm not too concerned with the number. It's the content of the reviews that is disappointing me.
But if you are someone like me who owns a good PC.. I feel like my Ps4 is just collecting dust at this point . Keep waiting for something stellar to play on it yet there's nothing exclusive so far that's doing it for me.
I'm the edge of selling.. I'm not even sure Bloodborne can stop me as I can just wait for Darksouls 3.
Why is banned? Sorry, junior here
GillianSeed79
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I didn't really have that much interest in this game to begin with after seeing some of the initial reveal footage with QTEs and what appeared to be generic chest-high-walls cover shooting mechanics, so I can understand some of the reviews that are critical of the mechanics of the game and the pros and cons of them. What I find abso-fucking bewildering is the number of reviews criticizing this game for what it apparently isn't instead of what it is, a very linear, story driven SP experience.
Somewhere I missed the memo apparently where SP games now have to have unlockable weapons that you have to level now? Tacked on MP? Choice-based narratives and branching paths in a linear narrative experience? I think I literally read something that knocked the game for beginning development at a time when people were enamored with the likes of Uncharted 2? Uncharted 2 is a bad game now? Jim actually says that it harkens back to a PS2 game, which sounds kind of awesome. Does every game have to have an open world now with a skill tree to unlock the ability to run fast and jump slightly higher or something now? I can obviously get why the mechanics of the game may be dull or outdated, such as the shooting mechanics and QTE's, AND I understand why certain people don't like "cinematic gameplay" games, but hell I loved the Uncharted games and The Last of Us.
The thing I'm worried about is that these reviews are going to send the wrong message to publishers. Instead of sending the message that maybe you should try to liven up the gameplay mechanics, the message is going to going to be that no one likes SP narrative games anymore. The message is going to be if we try to make a AAA story driven SP experience, we are going to get shit reviews and nobody is going to buy it unless we water it down and fill it with busy work filler content, unlockables, skill trees, leveling guns, and a tacked on MP mode filled to the brim with microtransactions along with an aggressive DLC release schedule.
This line of thinking is the same reason why I'm struggling to play through Alien:Isolation because they felt like they needed to make it a 20-hour experience instead of a 10-hour one and why playing Dragon Age Inquisition at this point for me feels like work because it is filled with so much time-wasting, game-padding, filler-laden bullshit side content.
I wonder how these reviewers are going receive Uncharted 4? It should get a baseline 6 or 7 judging by something of these reviews I'm reading. .
Somewhere I missed the memo apparently where SP games now have to have unlockable weapons that you have to level now? Tacked on MP? Choice-based narratives and branching paths in a linear narrative experience? I think I literally read something that knocked the game for beginning development at a time when people were enamored with the likes of Uncharted 2? Uncharted 2 is a bad game now? Jim actually says that it harkens back to a PS2 game, which sounds kind of awesome. Does every game have to have an open world now with a skill tree to unlock the ability to run fast and jump slightly higher or something now? I can obviously get why the mechanics of the game may be dull or outdated, such as the shooting mechanics and QTE's, AND I understand why certain people don't like "cinematic gameplay" games, but hell I loved the Uncharted games and The Last of Us.
The thing I'm worried about is that these reviews are going to send the wrong message to publishers. Instead of sending the message that maybe you should try to liven up the gameplay mechanics, the message is going to going to be that no one likes SP narrative games anymore. The message is going to be if we try to make a AAA story driven SP experience, we are going to get shit reviews and nobody is going to buy it unless we water it down and fill it with busy work filler content, unlockables, skill trees, leveling guns, and a tacked on MP mode filled to the brim with microtransactions along with an aggressive DLC release schedule.
This line of thinking is the same reason why I'm struggling to play through Alien:Isolation because they felt like they needed to make it a 20-hour experience instead of a 10-hour one and why playing Dragon Age Inquisition at this point for me feels like work because it is filled with so much time-wasting, game-padding, filler-laden bullshit side content.
I wonder how these reviewers are going receive Uncharted 4? It should get a baseline 6 or 7 judging by something of these reviews I'm reading. .
I was adding to it as to why TLOU sailed ahead in high scores.
HF2014
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Tonight, even if the controvery is on, i think i might Order a 100$ steak to celebrate, only 1886 calories with the potatoes and fudge cake, and i should burn that in about 5 hours with jogging.
You know what, Ryse got bashed, and i enjoy it from the beginning to to end. If the Order doesnt give me that single player satisfaction i got with Ryse...it will be my last order....
Or might hold for a used copy to show up on auction sites. If game doesnt take that long to beat, people will want to cash in quick to get their money back.
I will bite, im hungry.
You know what, Ryse got bashed, and i enjoy it from the beginning to to end. If the Order doesnt give me that single player satisfaction i got with Ryse...it will be my last order....
Or might hold for a used copy to show up on auction sites. If game doesnt take that long to beat, people will want to cash in quick to get their money back.
I will bite, im hungry.
Yep that's what I meant. LTD from Dec NPD release
Reviewers enjoying linear SP games with a focus on story is not an exception.
GeordieMark
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I think both are true to some extent, but as a consumer I think its always better to be a little bit cynical whenever someone is trying to sell you something.
People love to hate those games but the reality is most are pretty enjoyable for most people. I'm not sure they could release another as is again though.
gotstrangepowers
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I think it was after false E3 rumors.
Lately, since this gen started, they have been a growing trend against linear SP games.
What's the reason for it being banned?
perineumlick
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About what I expected. Definitely not for everyone.
Why not? Ready at Dawn will probably be making it.
Along with David Cage
User 479360
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I thought Ryse would be boring and suck, but I had fun with it. It's not a game I would recommend to everyone or pay full price for, but it was an enjoyable rental.
I went in with lowered expectations, but it was definitely better than expected.
I went in with lowered expectations, but it was definitely better than expected.
CambriaRising
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Misinformation I believe.
They refused to call the game for what it is, an interactive movie with action sequences.
They tried to hide behind words like cinematic, linear, the blend of all the elements will make the game not just the shooting....and so on.
People expected a victorian Uncharted/Gears, they kept talking about bad demos, why they were hiding gameplay....that was the game.
It was a bad strategy on the PR side imo. It prevented people to form the right expectations around it.
I'm not seeing TellTale games getting 2/10 or 4/10 reviews. That's because people don't expect those games to be more than they are.
But to be honest if you greenlight a project and then the marketing team is afraid to tell what it is and they can dictate the line...something went wrong in the way this game was handled.
ShockingAlberto
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They blatantly make up news for clicks.
God of war 3 is garbage now? What does that make Knack?
Edit: oops didn't realize he was banned.
HawksWinStanley
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A low reviewed single player only experience = I'll pick this up when it's $10 during Black Friday sales this year.
Well if for rumors that can happen but why should their reviews be tossed out? they're 2 completely separate things.
That (maybe) would've been funny if rotten tomatoes actually reviewed movies.
LookAtMeGo
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They don't. Not for me anyway. I like to be my own critic. But if you need other peoples opinions to to help make up your mind about something, thats fine too.
Kssio_Aug
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Wow, if they measured that right it is damn short! The rest is pretty much what Eurogamer stated and many gaffers threw stones at them! Thank god after some impressions (specially Eurogamers) I controlled my hype and decided not to pre-order it.
Almost did it after all the hype in impressions thread, but decided to wait, specially I was pretty certain the game was too expensive for its lenght and absolutely zero replay value. Glad I waited for impressions, those reviews confirms all my fears.
I may get it in the future if it drops 50% or more.
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