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[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's more useful to the world and I don't have to feel ashamed for playing if I'm past puberty age.

You feel shame for playing games because it has a cartoon artstyle?

Are you not an adult?

 

[kretos]

Also some perspective:

Playstation

Xbox

So yes, between the two Showings there is absolutely no contest.

PS video has more dislikes than the likes on Xbox video, so Xbox wins

 

[Dory16]

You feel shame for playing games because it has a cartoon artstyle?

Are you not an adult?

I tend to prefer humanoid characters (see, I'm flexible) with voices that don't sound like they're from Tom and Jerry. Don't get me wrong, I know there's a huge market for it. Not a reason to compare apples to oranges.

 

[tryDEATH]

If all they actually have to do is price the console right, which they know, then where's the "panic"

Xbox isn't a threat. They know it.

There is no panic, but it is a very real probability where another generational swing could happen, which in this case would be the 3rd in a row and based on everything we know so far MS has positioned themselves for exactly that sort of a strike, only thing left is to wait and see if it happens.

Dismissing and being in complete denial of the possibility just comes across as naive, considering the history of the last two generations.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

If I'm being honest I think the PS5 show took pressure off of them. It was predictable, safe and quite pedestrian. It came off like a PlayStation 4 showing just continuing what we've seen from them this generation with no defining moment which said "This is PlayStation 5!".

They showed good games, but they didn't show anything new or definingly unique for their system.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I tend to prefer humanoid characters (see, I'm flexible) with voices that don't sound like they're from Tom and Jerry. Don't get me wrong, I know there's a huge market for it. Not a reason to compare apples to oranges.

I have no issue with you not liking these types of games

But shame? Lmao come on. We have adults buying games like Mario in doves. You have no reason to feel ashamed.

 

[pr0cs]

That's harsh, their Sonic kart racers were great games and they have a stirling track record in helping out with conversion work. Lot of talented people in that studio.

Nope they suck, their QA is fucking terrible. LBP3 was a buggy disaster, a true mess of a game that permanently tarnished that property for me.
And we don't need to even mention how bland Crackdown 3 was with it's insanely long dev time and snoozeworthy gameplay

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

There is no panic, but it is a very real probability where another generational swing could happen, which in this case would be the 3rd in a row and based on everything we know so far MS has positioned themselves for exactly that sort of a strike, only thing left is to wait and see if it happens.

Dismissing and being in complete denial of the possibility just comes across as naive, considering the history of the last two generations.

Sony has to make a severe, and I mean severe fuck up for that to become a possibility, on a scale worse than the PS3.

I'll humour you and admit there's a possibility, even if the chance of that happening is in the single digits

 

[Raonak]

At the very least Microsoft's July showcase has to top what Sony just revealed.

I think the fact all their best games will also be playable on your current Xbox is gonna hurt them in terms of early adopters.

There's if you already have a X1, then there's no reason to get an Xbox series X within the first 2 years.

 

[diffusionx]

You're not mentioning that the current gen started and remained heavily bottlenecked by the CPUs. Yet we had some native 4k60 fps games and multiple dynamic 4k60.

The conclusion that I personally would draw from having seen so many 1st party games targeting 30 fps during the playstation reveal is that the system may not have been designed with high frame rates in mind. Or that variable clocks may be do not guarantee the best performance. First we've been told that the SSD would make up for everything that in any other computer system would have been considered a deficiency and now we're hearing that consoles are inherently incapable of having 60 fps games. Sounds like stealth damage control in full gear to me.

I can't think of any 4k 60fps games, off the top of my head. Maybe some dynamic ones, but I doubt they hit true 4K very often. Maybe the sports games? Anyway, even if a system were designed around 60fps (I can't imagine such a thing these days), it can do more on screen with 30fps. This is just an ironclad law. You have double the render time. You can make the graphics prettier. Any one of these games can run at 60fps if they toned down settings, but they chose not to. That simple. There will never be a system that can do everything at 60fps that it can do at 30fps. It's literally impossible.

On fixed hardware, frame rate is a choice. Sorry you fell for Internet fanboy hype, but that is all it was.

 

[Vawn]

Those games are too different at every level to even be compared.
One left such an impact on grown people's actual lives that they made testimony videos about it. It's being regarded as an almost clinical take on psychosis. The other one, well my nephew asked for it and the following week he was already asking for another one. It could lead to a Disney channel series though. I'm not knocking it.

No, they're not. They can be compared easily. Ratchet and Clank is magnitudes larger in every metric - production value, sales, etc.

 

[sw0mp_d0nk3y]

For me its all about Halo and Fable. Those 2 games would need to look absolutely amazing for me to consider the xbsx over the PS5. It feels like the PS5 has too much going for it at this point. The SSD speed, the controller, the 3D sound, the exclusives, and the PSVR2 coming along at some point. The only hope Microsoft has at competing at this point, assuming Fable and Halo are just reasonably cool looking, is to undercut on price by $100.

 

[Vawn]

Can't believe you called Ratchet and Clank big.
I bet Sunset Overdrive is not big though.

You know what Ratchet and Clank and Sunset Overdrive have in common?

They're both property of Sony.

 

[Dory16]

I can't think of any 4k 60fps games, off the top of my head. Maybe some dynamic ones, but I doubt they hit true 4K very often. Maybe the sports games? Anyway, even if a system were designed around 60fps (I can't imagine such a thing these days), it can do more on screen with 30fps. This is just an ironclad law. You have double the render time. You can make the graphics prettier. Any one of these games can run at 60fps if they toned down settings, but they chose not to. That simple. There will never be a system that can do everything at 60fps that it can do at 30fps. It's literally impossible.

On fixed hardware, frame rate is a choice. Sorry you fell for Internet fanboy hype, but that is all it was.

There were multiple 4k60 games on Xbox One X. Forza 7 and Devil May Cry 5 are 2 of them but here's a full list. it specifies when dynamic 4k: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_X_enhanced_games

Yes frame rate is a choice on consoles, A choice that the platform can make easier or harder. We've already seen more games that will run at 4k60 on XSX than on PS5 and that's without Xbox having a first party reveal. I won't mention 120fps.

 

[Dory16]

You know what Ratchet and Clank and Sunset Overdrive have in common?

They're both property of Sony.

That nobody ever played on a Sony console, yes I know.
Btw you completely missed my point but that happens all the time when drive by trolling.

 

[diffusionx]

There were multiple 4k60 games on Xbox One X. Forza 7 and Devil May Cry 5 are 2 of them but here's a full list. it specifies when dynamic 4k: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_X_enhanced_games

Yes frame rate is a choice on consoles, A choice that the platform can make easier or harder. We've already seen more games that will run at 4k60 on XSX than on PS5 and that's without Xbox having a first party reveal. I won't mention 120fps.

Right I forgot about Forza 7. Anyway, no platform has infinite power. Obviously devs will always wish to have "more" but also obviously, platform holders draw the line. Consoles are not meant to be superpower machines but affordable, convenient, all in one boxes. If you want 60fps for everything you need a PC.

I don't know what is going to be 4K/60fps on XSX, but I suspect that many games will be 30fps on it too.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

There were multiple 4k60 games on Xbox One X. Forza 7 and Devil May Cry 5 are 2 of them but here's a full list. it specifies when dynamic 4k: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_X_enhanced_games

Yes frame rate is a choice on consoles, A choice that the platform can make easier or harder. We've already seen more games that will run at 4k60 on XSX than on PS5 and that's without Xbox having a first party reveal. I won't mention 120fps.

That list isn't accurate. Even games that don't specify dynamic resolution are using dynamic resolution

 

[Dory16]

Right I forgot about Forza 7. Anyway, no platform has infinite power. Obviously devs will always wish to have "more" but also obviously, platform holders draw the line. Consoles are not meant to be superpower machines but affordable, convenient, all in one boxes. If you want 60fps for everything you need a PC.

I don't know what is going to be 4K/60fps on XSX, but I suspect that many games will be 30fps on it too.

I was just highlighting that the expectation bar is already being subtly dropped for the PS5 performance. This is a system that was rumoured to be packing at least 13 TFs. Then we were told that TFs were basically irrelevant and that it ways superior to the XSX in many original ways (Jason Shreier's tweet can still be found if you want the exact quote I'm sure). That we had to wait for the games. And now before Xbox even has a chance to reveal its first party games we are told that 30 fps is a fatality in fixed hardware.
All developers have to make choices with the hardware that they have. Not just Playstation devs.

 

[Dory16]

That list isn't accurate. Even games that don't specify dynamic resolution are using dynamic resolution

I named 2 native 4k60 games off the top of my head. RDR2 was native 4k30 on One X.

 

[diffusionx]

I was just highlighting that the expectation bar is already being subtly dropped for the PS5 performance. This is a system that was rumoured to be packing at least 13 TFs. Then we were told that TFs were basically irrelevant and that it ways superior to the XSX in many original ways (Jason Shreier's tweet can still be found if you want the exact quote I'm sure). That we had to wait for the games. And now before Xbox even has a chance to reveal its first party games we are told that 30 fps is a fatality in fixed hardware.
All developers have to make choices with the hardware that they have. Not just Playstation devs.

Where were these expectations coming from? I never heard Sony say this was a 60fps machine and then go back on it. IIRC, Jason Schreier said that devs were really impressed with the hardware design. Which can obviously still be true - but in the end it doesn't matter, because that's leaks and speculation.

I feel like there was just a ton of overblown hype for what is, in the end, a video game console. The same thing is going on with XSX. I was skeptical from the start because I've seen this hype every gen.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I named 2 native 4k60 games off the top of my head. RDR2 was native 4k30 on One X.

Devil May Cry isn't native 4K

Also, any third party game running at 60fps on the Series X can and will run at 60fps on the PS5

 

[Dory16]

Also, any third party game running at 60fps on the Series X can and will run at 60fps on the PS5

You should tell the devs of Scorn and the Medium. They say they picked the console that allowed them to deliver 4k60.
And while you're at it, remind Codemasters to announce the Dirt 5 120fps mode that the PS5 can and will have.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You should tell the devs of Scorn and the Medium. They say they picked the console that allowed them to deliver 4k60.
And while you're at it, remind Codemasters to announce the Dirt 5 120fps mode that the PS5 can and will have.

You fall for any marketing garbage don't you

If Scorn and the Medium is 4K 60 on the series X, then they'll simply be Dynamic 4K 60 (or just a lower native res) on the PS5 when they release, with that dynamic being even more minimal than the Pro and One X

 

[lastmessiah]

Sony is already in bed with Microsoft in regards to Azure it was signed and sealed over a year ago. Microsoft is getting money no matter what, people acting like Microsoft isn't the 3rd most valued company in the world worth more that $1.3 Trillion.

Huh, right you are: https://news.microsoft.com/2019/05/16/sony-and-microsoft-to-explore-strategic-partnership/

Really renders the topic of this thread ridiculous too. The only pressure Microsoft is feeling is coming from Google.

 

[Dory16]

You fall for any marketing garbage don't you

It's marketing garbage that no 120 fps mode has been announced for Dirt5 on PS5 or it's utter garbage that everything possible on the XSX can and will run on the PS5? I suspect only one of those 2 is.
What's definitely not garbage is that the only 4k60 game we have seen from Sony so far is Godfall. Xbox was doing 4k60 more often LAST generation.

Maybe it's also not garbage that Teraflops and fixed rates matter a little bit after all.

 

[Dory16]

If Scorn and the Medium is 4K 60 on the series X, then they'll simply be Dynamic 4K 60 (or just a lower native res) on the PS5 when they release, with that dynamic being even more minimal than the Pro and One X

How many dynamic 4k60 games did you see in the PS5 reveal? Because Digital Foundry counted one.
Those devs should ask you for help I suppose. They're not tapping everything the PS5 has.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's marketing garbage that no 120 fps mode has been announced for Dirt5 on PS5 or it's utter garbage that everything possible on the XSX can and will run on the PS5? I suspect only one of those 2 is.
What's definitely not garbage is that the only 4k60 game we have seen from Sony so far is Godfall. Xbox was doing 4k60 more often LAST generation.

Maybe it's also not garbage that Teraflops and fixed rates matter a little bit after all.

What game last gen was doing 60fps on the Xbox One X and not on the PS4 Pro?

If the Xbox Series X is doing 120fps, the PS5 will do around 110fps at the same resolution.

Here this will help you understand the difference between the two

 

[Jigga117]

What game last gen was doing 60fps on the Xbox One X and not on the PS4 Pro?

If the Xbox Series X is doing 120fps, the PS5 will do around 110fps at the same resolution.

Lmfao wtf??? Where the hell is the logic in this?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Lmfao wtf??? Where the hell is the logic in this?

The logic is called common sense

Or are you another idiot that actually believes there's going to be a 30fps gap between the two

 

[Jigga117]

The logic is called common sense

So if the game is multiplatform PS5 versions are now targeting 110fps? So common sense tells me your saying Xbox series X 60fps and PS5 30fps for the same games right?

my bad that too much so 50fps for PS5 games

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So if the game is multiplatform PS5 versions are now targeting 110fps? So common sense tells me your saying Xbox series X 60fps and PS5 30fps for the same games right?

You'll need to explain what you think i'm saying here

 

[Jigga117]

You'll need to explain what you think i'm saying here

I don't need to explain shit your the one making claims and leading the charge on expectations about what performance we should expect from games on each platform. Please continue!!!

 

[Starcheif]

PS video has more dislikes than the likes on Xbox video, so Xbox wins

Why is the date on that 11.06.2020?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I don't need to explain shit your the one making claims and leading the charge on expectations about what performance we should expect from games on each platform. Please continue!!!

Are you trying to say i'm claiming multiplatform games are going to target 120fps? If so you need to learn how to read

 

[Dory16]

If the Xbox Series X is doing 120fps, the PS5 will do around 110fps at the same resolution.

Ok Sonydamus. Fixed 110 fps in a game. Why not? You've predicted it so that's what will happen. We all should get TVs and monitors for those.

Here this will help you understand the difference between the two

Not sure why RDNA2 would scale like Nvidia technology but that's another product of your trademark common sense so I will keep thinking.

 

[Jigga117]

Why is the date on that 11.06.2020?

11 June 2020. Not November 6 2020

 

[Starcheif]

11 June 2020. Not November 6 2020

Thanks! I knew it had to be a simple answer.

 

[Jigga117]

Thanks! I knew it had to be a simple answer.

I do it all the time too because of multiple formats

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Ok Sonydamus. Fixed 110 fps in a game. Why not? You've predicted it so that's what will happen. We all should get TVs and monitors for those.


Not sure why RDNA2 would scale like Nvidia technology but that's another product of your trademark common sense so I will keep thinking.

Here's some RDNA examples then

 

[Jigga117]

Here's some RDNA examples than

Bro why do you keep using these examples RDNa is not RDNA 2 or Nvidia Drivers. You can't use what your trying to reference to tell anyone what we will get with new cards or these systems.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Bro why do you keep using these examples RDNa is not RDNA 2 or Nvidia Drivers. You can't use what your trying to reference to tell anyone what we will get with new cards or these systems.

It doesn't matter which architecture I use. A 2 tflop difference between the same architectures translates to roughly a 10% difference. The same will apply to RDNA 2

 

[Jigga117]

It doesn't matter which architecture I use. A 2 tflop difference between the same architectures translates to roughly a 10% difference. The same will apply to RDNA 2

Woooow this some idiotic shit. Imma let you keep at it I can't

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Woooow this some idiotic shit. Imma let you keep at it I can't

Sounds like you're in denial. I'm interested to know what type of mindblowing magic you've conjured in your head that the series x is going to use to blow past the PS5 in terms of performance.

 

[Jigga117]

Sounds like you're in denial. I'm interested to know what type of mindblowing magic you've conjured in your head to think the series x is going to use to blow past the PS5 in terms of performance.

I just find it funny you think it is a difference based on past architecture while one system has variable clocks and the other has locked cpu/GPU. Especially when one system has been overclocked already. How does that work out in your %10 difference your claiming?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I just find it funny you think it is a difference based on past architecture while one system has variable clocks and the other has locked cpu/GPU. Especially when one system has been overclocked already

You think the variable clocks are going to make the difference between 30fps vs 60fps?

Oh boy you're even dumber than I thought

 

[noise36]

The PS5 future of gaming show completely destroyed the SSD special sauce meme that neogaf/resetera majority crowd have been embarrassing themselves on since the UE5 tech demo.

It was a show that was more of the same, which isnt a bad thing at all, its what has made playstation so successful after all. I just think that lack of something to continue the manufactured UE5 tech demo narrative really took the wind out of their sails.

The cherry on top from a MS perspective was the reveal of the largest and ugliest console ever made, showed that Sony are not perfect, they sometimes make mistakes like MS.

 

[reforen]

Are people actually impressed with yesterdays showing?

I have a hard time imaging Microsoft being particularily scared after that show.

Well check out Max Dood opinion basically he is saying that Sony will win next-gen and MS don't have anything to offer

 

[NeoROCK]

Games won't even matter. XB1 had way better launch games with Titanfall and Killer Instinct and Sunset Overdrive. PS4 still slaughtered it. The problem is MS always comes out swinging at launch and then disappears, while Sony gets stronger as generations go on. Look at how they support ps4 with tlou2 and ghosts of Tsushima still being released in 2020.

The only thing that will save Xbox is if they price lockheart at $299 and $399 for xsx. Then they might be competition for PS5. Otherwise xsx will be an afterthought.

 

[Dnice1]

At the very least Microsoft's July showcase has to top what Sony just revealed.

I think the fact all their best games will also be playable on your current Xbox is gonna hurt them in terms of early adopters.

There's if you already have a X1, then there's no reason to get an Xbox series X within the first 2 years.

Why would anyone buy a bluray player if their dvd player can play all the same movies? History says both Sony and MS are going to sell every system they make at launch.

 

[Mattyp]

What game last gen was doing 60fps on the Xbox One X and not on the PS4 Pro?

CoD, BF1, Wolf.. To name a couple off the top of my head. Doom to? DIRT as well actually.


Ohhh you just meant 60fps and not 4K60fps