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[Danny 117]

There's certainly a bunch of pressure on MS to bring it in July.

- The past few Halo games have NOT been received that well from fans and the attempt to appeal to more 'casual' gamers by adding sprint/ADS etc hasn't worked - you can see that in the sales numbers. 343 need to hit a home run with Infinite for sure. I say this as a die-hard Halo fan (117 in my username!) and someone who bought 360, XB1 and XB1X at launch. Maybe Bungie just had that 'magic' and understanding of the franchise that 343 can't replicate - I hope I am wrong.

- That third party show was such a bad idea and the hyping that MS did for it was stupid as hell. Basically gave Sony an open goal.

Also they need to give a real good reason to get Halo Infinite on XSX over XB1X if they want it to be a system seller.

 

[Hawke502]

What did Sony show that was that great? The only game that i have been surprised by was Horizon.

 

[Major_Key]

If MS shows anything remotely close to that Hellblade 2 trailer in actual Gameplay then not only will heads turn, they would be liable to fall off.

Objectivity would also disappear from certain group of people

 

[pLow7]

The PlayStation Is everywhere on social media and basically everyone is talking about it.
Xbox will never have the same reach, which Is okay since this is not what they want anyway. Playstation is on a different Level when It comes to brand.

 

[trapanesenyc]

The thing to remember is Sony still have alot of games in reserve. There is also a god of war 2, a new uncharted and if i guess correctly a proper spiderman 2 sequel still in the works somewhere.

I think the last show was very conservative from them, either way, that is done now and we move on. I just want to see better competition in quality games, the more the better.

I agree,

Just 2 gameplay reveal of this 2 games and MS already did show more impressive that entire PS5 event.

And Hellblade 2 will drastically step up in terms of franchise/ambition. So yeah Hellblade 2 will become a killer app.

Don't forget project Mara. But Xbox should have been pushing these more when talking about the system. Show screenshots or even trailer images when posting about the xbox series X. People forgot they even showed these, all of which look better than anything we've seen yet graphically.

 

[Major_Key]

The PlayStation Is everywhere on social media and basically everyone is talking about it.
Xbox will never have the same reach, which Is okay since this is not what they want anyway. Playstation is on a different Level when It comes to brand.

Yeah and xbox need to construct this on the long term.

Nintendo Switch at beginning was not too popular but with Smash/animal crossing/Marketing...

 

[Uusis]

What pressure? PS5 event lineup wasn't special. PS4 Pro + games mostly, Horizon was only that showed some step up from this gen. Most impressive stuff was new controller with hd rumble like rumble and thats good. Motion/gyro getting still ignored but hopefully developers includes it still as OPTIONAL feature.

 

[pLow7]

Also some perspective:

Playstation

Xbox

So yes, between the two Showings there is absolutely no contest.

 

[Vasto]

 

[sainraja]

If that was striking "back HARD and with a vengeance", I don't think Microsoft is going to lose much sleep. Why? Because nothing from a technical level shown yesterday can't be done with the Series X.

This applies to games on both consoles but in order for a console to have something of value it doesn't require it not being possible on the other.

 

[REE Machine]

They should have called Halo 4 - Halo Andromeda.

Shudders lol

 

[pixelation]

He is right though, Microsoft has been the king... of far distant promises of better games in the future for far too long now. It's time for them to stop talking and show us what they got... and it better be good. Lord knows we don't need another Crackdown 3...

 

[NullZ3r0]

Hilarious that fans of X was saying MS was going to bring it to Sony on the last event they had which turned out to be turd, now here we go again with wait till they show 1st party event. Deja vu seems a lot waiting for this great games to come out, meanwhile TLoU2 just dropped lmao

Who was it that said that a 3rd party showcase via Inside Xbox was going to "bring it to Sony"? Get that strawman out of here.

 

[Vawn]

He is right though, Microsoft has been the king... of far distant promises of better games in the future for far too long now. It's time for them to stop talking and show us what they got... and it better be good. Lord knows we don't need another Crackdown 3...

Crackdown 3 is the perfect embodiment of modern Xbox. They hyped this game up for years. This was their "power of the cloud".

They obviously knew the game was a stinker, but they milked it for everything they could and deal with the backlash when it came out.

Similarly, they showed games they knew were in development hell, like Scalebound at E3 after E3. They were bragging on that particular game right up to the point of canning it.

The latest offense, of course, was hyping up the GAMEPLAY reveal for Series X. They shamelessly went on and on about this show and how it would show off gameplay only possible on Series X. The whole time they KNEW they would not be showing anything on that level.

They've been doing this for years, especially since Spencer took over. It is constant promises they know they aren't going to fulfill. Yet, they keep doing it.

 

[Vasto]

 

[NullZ3r0]

Ofcourse the pressure is there for Microsoft. Not because of Sony's reveal but because they got absolutely destroyed this gen.
Unless Microsoft have an amazing show in July, this gen will be no different. Other than the usual suspects are we expecting anything from July's show?

When you start a street fight by shooting yourself in the foot, yes, you're going to get destroyed. All Sony had to do in 2013 is let MS screw up.

But it wont be a cakewalk for Sony this time around. This Microsoft team is a more lethal group than the 360 team. They have the power advantage and a Halo game at launch. On top of that there's 15 first parties chomping at the bit to drop AAA hits. Finally, MS is richer than ever. Satya's bet on the cloud ended up being the right call. They will be prepared to do whatever it takes to win back the 50 million gamers that defected to Sony.

That's another point. There are 50 million gaming hoes with no loyalty.

Sony can't count on anything staying the same. They're the desperate ones here. Xbox is like MS hobby. If Series X flops, MS can fire people and start again. If PS5 fails, with their tiny market cap, Phil Harrison at Google buys the studios and they're making Stadia games. Sony ends up focusing on high end CE and life insurance.

Let's not get it twisted. Microsoft screwed up and Sony took advantage. The 360 owned North America.

 

[Zoro7]

When you start a street fight by shooting yourself in the foot, yes, you're going to get destroyed. All Sony had to do in 2013 is let MS screw up.

But it wont be a cakewalk for Sony this time around. This Microsoft team is a more lethal group than the 360 team. They have the power advantage and a Halo game at launch. On top of that there's 15 first parties chomping at the bit to drop AAA hits. Finally, MS is richer than ever. Satya's bet on the cloud ended up being the right call. They will be prepared to do whatever it takes to win back the 50 million gamers that defected to Sony.

That's another point. There are 50 million gaming hoes with no loyalty.

Sony can't count on anything staying the same. They're the desperate ones here. Xbox is like MS hobby. If Series X flops, MS can fire people and start again. If PS5 fails, with their tiny market cap, Phil Harrison at Google buys the studios and they're making Stadia games. Sony ends up focusing on high end CE and life insurance.

Let's not get it twisted. Microsoft screwed up and Sony took advantage. The 360 owned North America.

Pretty sure the ps3 caught up with the 360 by the end of the generation despite a horrific start. Didn't see Microsoft doing that with the Xbox one. North America =/= the world contrary to popular belief.

 

[Danny 117]

That's another point. There are 50 million gaming hoes with no loyalty.

Lmao Brilliant! "Gaming hoes"

You do make a good point though that Sony were able to win over people who had 360s last gen with the right games, price point and messaging. Who's to say MS couldn't do the same this gen?

I think a few things contributed to 360 gamers jumping ship
- "Always on",
- Toxic Don Mattrick "buy a 360 if you don't have internet"
- Higher entry price for Xbox One at launch
- No good exclusives at launch
- Weaker console plus TV TV TV messaging.

These combined really made it a non-starter and it is hard to come back from that.

It will be really interesting to see if they can win some of those 360 gamers back as MS has mostly resolved all of these issues (well good games TBC in July)

 

[Dory16]

My recommendation

Build a PC.

Consoles are the not the platform where you expect 60FPs with all titles. Only PCs offer you that and can nail 60FPs by adjusting the settings. Something that you can't do with consoles for the most part.

This was the supposed to be the generation where consoles improve not only resolution but also framerates. Nobody expects 60fps in every title but so far, we are wondering which PS5 titles will NOT be at 30 fps.
Also I wouldn't extend the limitations of one console to all consoles. At least one console has declared high framerates to be the signature of this new generation.
Funny how quick certain people are to lower the expectations on an entire generation of technology because their preferred system is not quite up to par.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Does anyone think Sony has another volley of game announcements (perhaps not as big/many) to bolster hype before release? Or do you think we saw most of what Sony has in the pipeline at this point?

 

[Dory16]

Um. MS already had a reveal remember? And the games looked average (even while running on PC) - that's the capability of these machines.

Don't kid yourself that MS's studios are going to suddenly produce anything better than the 3rd parties - they're all using unreal and DX, so what you saw is what you'll get.

You're right. MS had a reveal in December and the trailer we saw then is still the most impressive of the generation. Don't worry, I expect you to be in denial till the end. Even now that DF is suspecting that Sony 1st parties are targeting 30fps and MS 1st parties 60 fps.
Those machines have different capabilities and I bet you were one the people on this forum who drowned out the voice of the developers who warned us of it.

 

[lastmessiah]

When you start a street fight by shooting yourself in the foot, yes, you're going to get destroyed. All Sony had to do in 2013 is let MS screw up.

But it wont be a cakewalk for Sony this time around. This Microsoft team is a more lethal group than the 360 team. They have the power advantage and a Halo game at launch. On top of that there's 15 first parties chomping at the bit to drop AAA hits. Finally, MS is richer than ever. Satya's bet on the cloud ended up being the right call. They will be prepared to do whatever it takes to win back the 50 million gamers that defected to Sony.

That's another point. There are 50 million gaming hoes with no loyalty.

Sony can't count on anything staying the same. They're the desperate ones here. Xbox is like MS hobby. If Series X flops, MS can fire people and start again. If PS5 fails, with their tiny market cap, Phil Harrison at Google buys the studios and they're making Stadia games. Sony ends up focusing on high end CE and life insurance.

Let's not get it twisted. Microsoft screwed up and Sony took advantage. The 360 owned North America.

Don't forget that Microsoft has xCloud in the pipeline too. If Sony even attempted something like xCloud they would probably end up using Microsoft Azure!

 

[CatLady]

Exactly

 

[MasterCornholio]

At least one console has declared high framerates to be the signature of this new generation.

That won't happen. There will be 30FPS games on the XSX. Assassin's Creed V is an example of one of them.

In the end framerate is up to developers.

Assassin’s Creed Valhalla is 30fps on Xbox Series X

It appears that, at least right now, Assassin's Creed Valhalla will run at the same framerate across all console generations.

www.vg247.com

If your going to believe Greenburg you are going to end up severely disappointed.

 

[Dory16]

That won't happen. There will be 30FPS games on the XSX. Assassin's Creed V is an example of one of them.

In the end framerate is up to developers.

Assassin’s Creed Valhalla is 30fps on Xbox Series X

It appears that, at least right now, Assassin's Creed Valhalla will run at the same framerate across all console generations.

www.vg247.com

If your going to believe Greenburg you are going to end up severely disappointed.

Where did I say that there wouldn't be a single 30 fps game on XSX? And how is MS to control what Ubisoft wants to do in their games? 30 fps on XSX will be the exception and not the rule. We already have some games targeting 120 fps.

 

[Jigga117]

That won't happen. There will be 30FPS games on the XSX. Assassin's Creed V is an example of one of them.

In the end framerate is up to developers.

Assassin’s Creed Valhalla is 30fps on Xbox Series X

It appears that, at least right now, Assassin's Creed Valhalla will run at the same framerate across all console generations.

www.vg247.com

If your going to believe Greenburg you are going to end up severely disappointed.

Not one individual stated that every game would be 60fps. If your ending up dissapointed your not paying attention. They said from the jump it is up to developers. MS made statements about games in their direct control which we are waiting to see. 3rd party is always going to be a crapshoot which by the way how come no one is outrage that most the games for Sony expected to be 30fps like the one multiplatform game announced last month?

 

[MasterCornholio]

30 fps on XSX will be the exception and not the rule. We already have some games targeting 120 fps

MS made statements about games in their direct control which we are waiting to see.

I agree that Microsoft can definitely make their games 60FPs since they have direct control over their 1st party studios.

However Dory16 believes that 30FPs games will be the exception but I believe that that there will be many more 30FPs titles than he's expecting.

This is mainly due to 3rd party developers choosing visuals over framerate.

Also next gen is all about Native 4K. The issue with that is that it will take alot of power to render high end games at Native 4K 60FPs which is also why I believe that many games will end up under 4K.

When it comes to next gen I'm not expecting these systems to be native 4K 60FPs boxes. In many cases they will use dynamic resolutions to hit their framerate targets. I also expect 30FPs to be quite common in games targeting high level of visuals.

 

[cerealbuster]

What pressure ? Console looks worse ? Games look the same..

And the only ones looking good won't be on the shelves until 2022-2023.

 

[Dory16]

There's 2 MS first party games that we've seen in some form so far. Hellblade 2 and Halo Infinite. Trailers are are a year and half a year old but they would have stolen the show in Sony's presentation.
For that reason, I believe that MS has a good chance of coming out looking pretty in July if they execute their presentation. It has to be pretty much E3 production quality, just without the speeches. No fridge jokes and decent cameras would be good. Consider it as your E3 this year.
Provided that happens they'll be fine.

 

[diffusionx]

This was the supposed to be the generation where consoles improve not only resolution but also framerates. Nobody expects 60fps in every title but so far, we are wondering which PS5 titles will NOT be at 30 fps.
Also I wouldn't extend the limitations of one console to all consoles. At least one console has declared high framerates to be the signature of this new generation.
Funny how quick certain people are to lower the expectations on an entire generation of technology because their preferred system is not quite up to par.

We go through this every single generation. The games are 30fps. Powerful new hardware comes out. Everyone says, "finally! We can get games at 60fps!", not understanding that sure, we can get games that look like current ones at 60fps, but not games that do a lot to take advantage of the hardware and impress visually.

The PS4 ran a lot of PS3 ports at 60fps. It can obviously do it. But they're not in the business of selling PS3 looking games. This is fixed hardware and you can't have it all.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Eh, sure. If MS really wants to sell more consoles than they did this gen, then the pressure was on them regardless.

July event is coming up. Let's find out.

 

[tryDEATH]

Don't forget that Microsoft has xCloud in the pipeline too. If Sony even attempted something like xCloud they would probably end up using Microsoft Azure!

Sony is already in bed with Microsoft in regards to Azure it was signed and sealed over a year ago. Microsoft is getting money no matter what, people acting like Microsoft isn't the 3rd most valued company in the world worth more that $1.3 Trillion.

 

[Dory16]

We go through this every single generation. The games are 30fps. Powerful new hardware comes out. Everyone says, "finally! We can get games at 60fps!", not understanding that sure, we can get games that look like current ones at 60fps, but not games that do a lot to take advantage of the hardware and impress visually.

The PS4 ran a lot of PS3 ports at 60fps. It can obviously do it. But they're not in the business of selling PS3 looking games. This is fixed hardware and you can't have it all.

You're not mentioning that the current gen started and remained heavily bottlenecked by the CPUs. Yet we had some native 4k60 fps games and multiple dynamic 4k60.

The conclusion that I personally would draw from having seen so many 1st party games targeting 30 fps during the playstation reveal is that the system may not have been designed with high frame rates in mind. Or that variable clocks may be do not guarantee the best performance. First we've been told that the SSD would make up for everything that in any other computer system would have been considered a deficiency and now we're hearing that consoles are inherently incapable of having 60 fps games. Sounds like stealth damage control in full gear to me.

 

[Dory16]

Lol, so now Hellblade is bigger than Ratchet and Clank?

I'd rather play Hellblade than Ratchet and Clank. Hell, I'd rather play Pragmata than Ratchet and Clank and all I know of Pragmata is what I saw in Capcom's 45s trailer. I guess it's because I'm not 10.
Can't believe you called Ratchet and Clank big.
I bet Sunset Overdrive is not big though.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

When you start a street fight by shooting yourself in the foot, yes, you're going to get destroyed. All Sony had to do in 2013 is let MS screw up.

But it wont be a cakewalk for Sony this time around. This Microsoft team is a more lethal group than the 360 team. They have the power advantage and a Halo game at launch. On top of that there's 15 first parties chomping at the bit to drop AAA hits. Finally, MS is richer than ever. Satya's bet on the cloud ended up being the right call. They will be prepared to do whatever it takes to win back the 50 million gamers that defected to Sony.

That's another point. There are 50 million gaming hoes with no loyalty.

Sony can't count on anything staying the same. They're the desperate ones here. Xbox is like MS hobby. If Series X flops, MS can fire people and start again. If PS5 fails, with their tiny market cap, Phil Harrison at Google buys the studios and they're making Stadia games. Sony ends up focusing on high end CE and life insurance.

Let's not get it twisted. Microsoft screwed up and Sony took advantage. The 360 owned North America.

The delusion is strong in this one

Literally all Sony has to do is price the console right and they're set

They have the the games, they have the fans, they have the hype

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'd rather play Hellblade than Ratchet and Clank. Hell, I'd rather play Pragmata than Ratchet and Clank and all I know of Pragmata is what I saw in Capcom's 45s trailer. I guess it's because I'm not 10.
Can't believe you called Ratchet and Clank big.
I bet Sunset Overdrive is not big though.

Ratchet and Clank is bigger than both Hellblade and Sunset

That's not even debatable

 

[Starlight Lotice]

I don't know about you but I know for a fact the OP is an expert on bears, and understands bear culture very well.

...hang on, that last bit could mean something entirely different.

All I know about Bear Cocks is from that Youtube from Garry's Mod where a Large Black Guy tells a small white dude he is a Wizard and he will smack him with his and I quote "His massive Bear Cock"

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You're not mentioning that the current gen started and remained heavily bottlenecked by the CPUs. Yet we had some native 4k60 fps games and multiple dynamic 4k60.

The conclusion that I personally would draw from having seen so many 1st party games targeting 30 fps during the playstation reveal is that the system may not have been designed with high frame rates in mind. Or that variable clocks maybe do not guarantee the best performance. First we've been told that the SSD would make up for everything that in any other computer system would have been considered a deficiency and now we're hearing that consoles are inherently incapable of having 60 fps games. Sounds like stealth damage control in full gear to me.

It's just non stop dumbassery here

 

[Dory16]

Ratchet and Clank is bigger than both Hellblade and Sunset

That's not even debatable

I'll leave you the subjective size assessments. Nobody can win at that game.

 

[Jigga117]

That's some of y'all a problems. Y'all still think they need to sell a bunch of consoles to survive for MS. Some of y'all ignoring the expansions that MS is doing with options. Their game plan is the same as Comcast. No longer are you tethered to a cable box rental. You already have a recent Samsung, LG or Roku stick/television you can get live tv service the same as you would from that rental box minus voice control. MS already has everyone one of us as potential customers because we got all types of devices to play with thru a cloud where they don't need you to buy an Xbox Console. Game pass proved a lot of people wrong here about the digital world and look at Sony, offering a digital version(which I think that's the original form factor the disk version looks like an after thought) so goodbye already wounded GameStop soon in the future.

Sony has to survive off PlayStation MS doesn't. They too busy making sure revenue comes anyway they can see it come. I will be getting the series X and at some point the PS5 digital version but damn that's a huge bitch

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'll leave you the subjective size assessments. Nobody can win at that game.

There's nothing subjective about it

It has the bigger following, and sales. Even the $40 reboot had bigger production values than Hellblade 1

 

[Radical_3d]

I have a somewhat blind faith in Halo Infinite. After all, where else does the talent that Bungie has lost all these years have been going to?

 

[Dory16]

There's nothing subjective about it

It has the bigger following, and sales. Even the $40 reboot had bigger production values than Hellblade 1

Those games are too different at every level to even be compared.
One left such an impact on grown people's actual lives that they made testimony videos about it. It's being regarded as an almost clinical take on psychosis. The other one, well my nephew asked for it and the following week he was already asking for another one. It could lead to a Disney channel series though. I'm not knocking it.

 

[tryDEATH]

The delusion is strong in this one

Literally all Sony has to do is price the console right and they're set

They have the the games, they have the fans, they have the hype

But what if they don't get the price point right and MS actually beats them on it what then?At that point you end up with the scenario that he presented.

There is absolutely no delusion in anything he said, if anything its you who is in denial that such a thing could ever happen. Even though we literally have 2 perfect examples of it actually happening with the last 2 generations with the PS3 capitulating and then Xbox One self-destructing themselves.

 

[Tiamat2san]

Is there an inside Xbox (20/20 stuff) this month too?

I thought they said it will every month till launch.

Even if it's something small before the « big one » in July.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

But what if they don't get the price point right and MS actually beats them on it what then?At that point you end up with the scenario that he presented.

There is absolutely no delusion in anything he said, if anything its you who is in denial that such a thing could ever happen. Even though we literally have 2 perfect examples of it actually happening with the last 2 generations with the PS3 capitulating and then Xbox One self-destructing themselves.

If all they actually have to do is price the console right, which they know, then where's the "panic"

Xbox isn't a threat. They know it.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Those games are too different at every level to even be compared.
One left such an impact on grown people's actual lives that they made testimony videos about it. It's being regarded as an almost clinical take on psychosis. The other one, well my nephew asked for it and the following week he was already asking for another one. It could lead to a Disney channel series though. I'm not knocking it.

Okay so your point is it had a bigger impact on the mental health audience?

Like, yeah, its a more mature game that tackles mature and complex themes. That doesn't change the fact that it's not as big

 

[Dory16]

If all they actually have to do is price the console right, which they know, then where's the "panic"

Xbox isn't a threat. They know it.

Tell us everything YOU know. What they know is less interesting at this rate.

 

[thelastword]

Who was it that said that a 3rd party showcase via Inside Xbox was going to "bring it to Sony"? Get that strawman out of here.

Are you saying MS will bring the first party onslaught in July....? That their First Party games will light fire under everything we've seen so far, both first parties and what PlayStation studios has shown recently? I can't wait for MS's first party presentation tbh...

I'd rather play Hellblade than Ratchet and Clank. Hell, I'd rather play Pragmata than Ratchet and Clank and all I know of Pragmata is what I saw in Capcom's 45s trailer. I guess it's because I'm not 10.
Can't believe you called Ratchet and Clank big.
I bet Sunset Overdrive is not big though.

Come on now. Sunset OverDrive is not even in the picture compared to Ratchet and Clan Status. Review wise, gameplay wise and sales wise......Ratchet Series was one of the highest selling games on PS2. Has several games rated in the 90's. and several more in the high 80's......A crack in time is a beast of a game, they are all great.....Ratchet has more clout than Hellblade, Sunset OverDrive, SOD, Crackdown and Sea of Thieves combined.....Just go to youtube and see how people are debating the time rift in a Crack in time, the worlds, weapons, secret parts, the story of that franchise...…...It's really a much bigger franchise than you give it credit for...

 

[Dory16]

Okay so your point is it had a bigger impact on the mental health audience?

Like, yeah, its a more mature game that tackles mature and complex themes. That doesn't change the fact that it's not as big

It's more useful to the world and I don't have to feel ashamed for playing it if I'm past puberty age. Fine by me if it's not "as big" as Ratchet and Clank (who even seriously compares those 2 games?)