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The revenge porn accusation is a by-product of having once used opa-ages. For those who don't know the history of the forums, it was a splinter group of users with their own forum, closely related to this one. It was never as clean as neogaf tried to be. It was kind of like a dark world to GAF, where moderation was practically non existent and that was the whole point of it. The Bore is like a more tasteful, modern equivalent where people are a lot more decent.

Anyway, back to OA: Olimario, who was a poster here before getting banned and living out his days on OA, traded nude pictures of his girlfriend for a PSP, and the pictures got shared around and ended up becoming some kind of weapon between warring forums and posters. There was a whole thread devoted to posting and sharing nudes and porn links on OA, but getting pictures of another users girlfriend would have been one of the kinds of things that would trigger a mega thread there. OA members would say Evilore looked like an elf and mock him in other ways, olimario and people like that were adversaries. I think people would have done anything to get one over on each other back then. That's just what it was like, rightly or wrongly. There was a thread here in OT for "showing off" your girlfriend, not nude or anything, more for pride - but I think EL and the mods here curtailed that a bit to help roll back the creep factor and be considerate of others... It was feeding that kind of culture. People change.

Its not a great look sharing someone's pictures like that, especially as attitudes towards non consented image sharing have vastly improved, women today have better advice when it comes to sharing images of themselves today too, that wasn't always the case. Believe me - if he's guilty of that (and I wasn't there at the time so I don't know all the details) he won't be the only one. What Amir0x allegedly did in that shit flinging era was arguably worse. All of that stuff has been known by some here for a long long time. Its in the primordial past. PSP was new so we're talking everyone being 10+ years younger.

I'm of the opinion you could dig in to the internet and private messaging past of any number of people and find a fair amount of regrettable wrong doing. I'm not saying its not bad, its just old stuff.. it just makes it seem all the crazier to me that this allegation, which is more easily answerable, caused this kind of reaction. I guess some things come back to haunt you. Its worth noting that kind of people who like dredging this stuff up are often bitter banned former members who posted on places like OA, voat, reddit and 4chan, where people have done things that are easily just as bad.
 
Of course I've done things that would be considered inappropriate in my life, don't be so fragile. It's just that when I do, I acknowledge what I did instead of blaming others. I use it as a learning experience. Also, saying I wouldn't sexually harass someone is being a white knight now? Damn, dude.
Geez, stop putting words in my mouth. Please, can we just stop this once and for all? This is not what I meant...
 
Where do you think Boogie is "in terms of philosophy"? Just asking.

I think his recent video titles 'Why am I a Fence-Sitting Moderate? ' explains it.
I have beliefs but they are fairly common (free speech is good, violence is bad, abortion is a necessary evil, gay marriage is fine etc...) a live and let live attitude as long as it doesn't stop someone else to do the same. The big difference with some very prolific posters on GAF I guess is that I'm not a militant. I just like to live my life as a good person to the persons around me but won't go out of my way to 'fight'. Saying that the people on GAF fought on a forum I don't know if it translated to anything concrete in their lives or it was just posturing.
 
The revenge porn accusation is a by-product of having once used opa-ages. For those who don't know the history of the forums, it was a splinter group of users with their own forum, closely related to this one. It was never as clean as neogaf tried to be. It was kind of like a dark world to GAF, where moderation was practically non existent and that was the whole point of it. The Bore is like a more tasteful, modern equivalent where people are a lot more decent.

Anyway, back to OA: Olimario, who was a poster here before getting banned and living out his days on OA, traded nude pictures of his girlfriend for a PSP, and the pictures got shared around and ended up becoming some kind of weapon between warring forums and posters. There was a whole thread devoted to posting and sharing nudes and porn links on OA, but getting pictures of another users girlfriend would have been one of the kinds of things that would trigger a mega thread there. That's just what it was like, rightly or wrongly. There was a thread here in OT for "showing off" your girlfriend, not nude or anything, more for pride - but I think EL and the mods here curtailed that a bit to help roll back the creep factor and be considerate of others... It was feeding that kind of culture. People change.

Its not a great look sharing someone's pictures like that, especially as attitudes towards non consented image sharing have vastly improved, women today have better advice when it comes to sharing images of themselves today too, that wasn't always the case. Believe me - if he's guilty of that (and I wasn't there at the time so I don't know all the details) he won't be the only one. What Amir0x allegedly did in that shit flinging era was arguably worse. All of that stuff has been known by some here for a long long time. Its in the primordial past. PSP was new so we're talking everyone being 10+ years younger.

I'm of the opinion you could dig in to the internet and private messaging past of any number of people and find a fair amount of regrettable wrong doing. I'm not saying its not bad, its just old stuff.. it just makes it seem all the crazier to me that this allegation, which is more easily answerable, caused this kind of reaction. I guess some things come back to haunt you. Its worth noting that kind of people who like dredging this stuff up are often bitter banned former members who posted on places like OA, voat, reddit and 4chan, where people have done things that are easily just as bad.

lmao
 
I think his recent video titles 'Why am I a Fence-Sitting Moderate? ' explains it.
I have beliefs but they are fairly common (free speech is good, violence is bad, abortion is a necessary evil, gay marriage is fine etc...) a live and let live attitude as long as it doesn't stop someone else to do the same.

Boogie on Gene Pool Jon.

"I don't agree with JonTron, but I dont fault him for trying on the idea"

Mexicans dilute the gene pool - a "fairly common belief" in the States. 👌
 
Anything that you dont agree with or may agree with, how about that? dont be cute you know exactly what i mean.

No, I don't, because you're being intentionally vague because you're still petrified of sharing your own views. You don't even believe your own post about not being banned anymore.
 
In my opinion, anyone in the GAF user base that I recognize has hinted that they are leaving. And I'm talking 12 years of user recognition.

No offence to anyone, but I don't recognize nearly anyone who has posted that they're proudly staying. Maybe it's just that the regulars aren't posting messages like this because it's a faux pas by the old mores of GAF, but it's pretty consistent. I've said to myself "wow, regular user X is staying?" maybe once? Maybe twice?

I'm sure the community will continue and become a new thing.... but the reason why I come to GAF is not the name, the forum software, or the owner. It's the community, and it looks from their statements or presence on other services like they're all jumping ship.
I don't know if the recognizable veteran names make the community. Tons of old school posters were banned or gone over the years, especially when you see blast from the past threads. People came and went. GAF's personality was very largely shaped by its moderator team, where new members like myself were molded to their policy and politics.
 
people who think GAF was "extreme left" probably haven't met a single leftist in their lives lol. GAF was just your regular liberal crowd, not actually leftist
 
The revenge porn accusation is a by-product of having once used opa-ages. For those who don't know the history of the forums, it was a splinter group of users with their own forum, closely related to this one. It was never as clean as neogaf tried to be. It was kind of like a dark world to GAF, where moderation was practically non existent and that was the whole point of it. The Bore is like a more tasteful, modern equivalent where people are a lot more decent.

Anyway, back to OA: Olimario, who was a poster here before getting banned and living out his days on OA, traded nude pictures of his girlfriend for a PSP, and the pictures got shared around and ended up becoming some kind of weapon between warring forums and posters. There was a whole thread devoted to posting and sharing nudes and porn links on OA, but getting pictures of another users girlfriend would have been one of the kinds of things that would trigger a mega thread there. OA members would say Evilore looked like an elf and mock him in other ways, olimario and people like that were adversaries. I think people would have done anything to get one over on each other back then. That's just what it was like, rightly or wrongly. There was a thread here in OT for "showing off" your girlfriend, not nude or anything, more for pride - but I think EL and the mods here curtailed that a bit to help roll back the creep factor and be considerate of others... It was feeding that kind of culture. People change.

Its not a great look sharing someone's pictures like that, especially as attitudes towards non consented image sharing have vastly improved, women today have better advice when it comes to sharing images of themselves today too, that wasn't always the case. Believe me - if he's guilty of that (and I wasn't there at the time so I don't know all the details) he won't be the only one. What Amir0x allegedly did in that shit flinging era was arguably worse. All of that stuff has been known by some here for a long long time. Its in the primordial past. PSP was new so we're talking everyone being 10+ years younger.

I'm of the opinion you could dig in to the internet and private messaging past of any number of people and find a fair amount of regrettable wrong doing. I'm not saying its not bad, its just old stuff.. it just makes it seem all the crazier to me that this allegation, which is more easily answerable, caused this kind of reaction. I guess some things come back to haunt you. Its worth noting that kind of people who like dredging this stuff up are often bitter banned former members who posted on places like OA, voat, reddit and 4chan, where people have done things that are easily just as bad.

Wow interesting.

Yes people are quick to condemn and judge without ever waking a step in another's shoes
 
I think his recent video titles 'Why am I a Fence-Sitting Moderate? ' explains it.
I have beliefs but they are fairly common (free speech is good, violence is bad, abortion is a necessary evil, gay marriage is fine etc...) a live and let live attitude as long as it doesn't stop someone else to do the same. The big difference with some very prolific posters on GAF I guess is that I'm not a militant. I just like to live my life as a good person to the persons around me but won't go out of my way to 'fight'. Saying that the people on GAF fought on a forum I don't know if it translated to anything concrete in their lives or it was just posturing.

Boogie was another victim of slander and vilification this forum. And yes I am fairly certain that most of those people are nothing but internet posturing, mainly patting on each others backs.
 
I'm sure you are a white knight that didn't do anything inappropriate ever in your life. Check.

You're using "white knight" here as a pejorative for someone who speaks in the defense of women and other marginalized groups.

I'm curious what pejorative you use for someone who speaks in the defense of people who post revenge porn.

I think his recent video titles 'Why am I a Fence-Sitting Moderate? ' explains it.
I have beliefs but they are fairly common (free speech is good, violence is bad, abortion is a necessary evil, gay marriage is fine etc...) a live and let live attitude as long as it doesn't stop someone else to do the same. The big difference with some very prolific posters on GAF I guess is that I'm not a militant. I just like to live my life as a good person to the persons around me but won't go out of my way to 'fight'. Saying that the people on GAF fought on a forum I don't know if it translated to anything concrete in their lives or it was just posturing.

Your social/political views are very tame and not at all objectionable here or any mainstream platform. Not sure what caused you to think being a supporter of speech, women's rights, and marriage equality would get you shut down, but I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you're happier with the new direction.

For the record, I do find boogie's reputation as a "fence-sitter" to be earned and in some cases problematic, such as when one side of the fence advocates for xenophobic white nationalism (JonTron). But I can't bring myself to dislike the guy. He just wants everyone to be happy and I respect that. Just wish he'd understand that some people will only be happy off the misfortune of others.
 
Neogaf is a left leaning site. No controversy over this, it's pretty much a fact. I've seen a lot of people told that this community isn't a place where you debate and discuss ideas. That you just get dog pilled and witch hunted to death. Personally I've never seen it and I've caused lots of arguments with my opinions in plenty of instances.

I've dealt with aggression, shock and drama responses to these opinions. I think a lot of people confuse dog pilling for being the minority opinion on a topic. Recently I had a pretty long discussion over why the ACLU are doing the right thing protecting Nazis. I was ganged up on, but I knew if I presented my arguments reasonably and calmly I would still be able to get my message across more, than a bunch of emotional responses.

I've never dealt with a mod who had it in for me. To be honest they felt heavy handed, but not unfair for the most part. I do think some transparency between the mods and the users would have been better. An explanation behind a punishment being left somewhere we can all see would have helped.

I've also seen a lot of people on this thread complaining they were punished for no reason when I know that the shit they was definatley warranted. They make it sound like they got banned for no reason. I know at least one of the people in this thread was posting about the genetic superiority of the white race and has claimed it was a mod vendetta.

EvilLore is the only person I have a problem with. Taking his actions not towards the site out of this for a second, he has behaved abhorrently and blaming the OT for his failure to manage the site is insulting. I hope OT comes back with all the former privileges it used to enjoy. Like so many others, I came for the GD, I stayed because of OT.
 
First of all, when the allegations come to light you don't try to ignore it or try to suppress it. That looks bad, real bad. The allegations themselves aren't that bad, so why the heavy handed response? You could have easily said "I fucked up, she forgave me, we continued on and things didn't work out. I've grown as a person yadda yadda". God damn show some humility or that you're actually taking these things seriously. Instead he swung in the opposite direction and called her batshit crazy, threw blame toward the community, and restricted topics on the forum.

This whole ordeal is more than just the sexual allegations, it extends to how he presents himself and reacts to these situations.

Yeah, that is how I feel as well. Thanks for putting it so succinctly
 
Boogie was another victim of slander and vilification this forum.

You people are unreal. Honestly, why even bother with GAF? Why not just go back to Reddit? KiA? Voat? Literally EVERY SINGLE gaming forum out there would agree with this trash statement, why waste your time on that one forum you're not morally aligned with?
 
Neogaf is a left leaning site. No controversy over this, it's pretty much a fact. I've seen a lot of people told that this community isn't a place where you debate and discuss ideas. That you just get dog pilled and witch hunted to death. Personally I've never seen it and I've caused lots of arguments with my opinions in plenty of instances.

100%

Yes people are quick to condemn and judge without ever waking a step in another's shoes

I've been to house parties, on holidays and on road trips where girls are throwing up in the bathroom more times than I can remember. Never got naked and walked in on them.
 
I don't know if the recognizable veteran names make the community. Tons of old school posters were banned or gone over the years, especially when you see blast from the past threads. People came and went. GAF's personality was very largely shaped by its moderator team, where new members like myself were molded to their policy and politics.

If it's not the community that made GAF special, then what? As I said, what made GAF special is not the name, the software, the owner...

Outside of the community, there is nothing separating this from any random smalltime forum on the internet.

Let's say IF the whole "recognizable" community exited (and that's definitely not proven to be clear), then what guarantees the growing of a new community of equal value? GAF's hallowed and reputable name? That's kinda been dragged through the mud. I don't see any insiders or media wanting to engage with this forum anymore... so all the "insider scoops" drama stuff really seems over.
 
people who think GAF was "extreme left" probably haven't met a single leftist in their lives lol. GAF was just your regular liberal crowd, not actually leftist

Mostly agreed. If anything, I think centrist political stances were the most strongly vocal, although there were also left and right wing posters. The way discourse played out is probably the biggest issue (as it is with the internet in general), rather than there being an unhealthy narrowness of opinion.
 
I don't know if the recognizable veteran names make the community. Tons of old school posters were banned or gone over the years, especially when you see blast from the past threads. People came and went. GAF's personality was very largely shaped by its moderator team, where new members like myself were molded to their policy and politics.
Speak for yourself.

Most people have the capacity to have their own viewpoints, and can express them within the rules of the community.

If anyone's personality on GAF was shaped by the mods, they're very weak willed indeed.

The mod team are members of the community and should represent it, not shape it. The enforcement of a code of conduct should never go into thought policing.

For all of the good intentions of the mod team here though, the opaque structure and rulebooks (the official one we see, and the ones Evilore and some mods used for themselves) has always been an issue.

If the code of conduct here was applied fairly, the complaints we have seen in this thread would be invalidated. Ditto accountability for the mod team, and a separation of ownership from control of the site.

Concentration of power leads to abuse of it. We have seen more than enough here to know what's the case here.

If Neogaf is indeed a community worth it's salt, then it needs to be a master of it's own destiny, not under the yoke of a not so benevolent master.
 
Boogie on Gene Pool Jon.

"I don't agree with JonTron, but I dont fault him for trying on the idea"

Mexicans dilute the gene pool - a "fairly common belief" in the States. 👌

For the record, I do find boogie's reputation as a "fence-sitter" to be earned and in some cases problematic, such as when one side of the fence advocates for xenophobic white nationalism (JonTron). But I can't bring myself to dislike the guy. He just wants everyone to be happy and I respect that. Just wish he'd understand that some people will only be happy off the misfortune of others.

And in this instance he was wrong for sure, I even think his opinion changed on that matter since. But I wouldn't attack the guy for it and constantly mock him. I'm also a believer that a lot of people think shitty things, me included but it's what you do with those thoughts that matter.

Your social/political views are very tame and not at all objectionable here or any mainstream platform. Not sure what caused you to think being a supporter of speech, women's rights, and marriage equality would get you shut down, but I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you're happier with the new direction.

I have a tendency to play devil's advocate which might be a flaw of mine but when I see a one sided scenario I tend to try and understand 'the other side'. And that seemed frowned upon a lot here.
And as I said some creator that I liked were getting mocked all the time so I didn't think I had a place, Dave Rubin to cite another one for example.
 
You're using "white knight" here as a pejorative for someone who speaks in the defense of women and other marginalized groups.

I'm curious what pejorative you use for someone who speaks in the defense of people who post revenge porn.
Sorry, I want to apologize for using that white knight phrase. I've been browsing Misc forum for too long. That was whole different culture...
 
Eh it does. What crowd is GAF gonna attract in the future, what do you think?

It will depend on moderation rules and discussion topics. If moderators continue to clamp down on all forms of abuse then there's no reason to believe that the community will change. Avoiding politics discussions and focusing on gaming is not a bad thing, Giant Bomb has a great community and they completely avoid discussing politics. I'm guessing you are expecting an influx of trolls, nazis and gamergaters. Hopefully it won't be the case, if it is then I'll be out too. I want to talk about games in a calm and civilized manner, I have no intention of engaging with assholes.
 
Boogie deserves some flak but the way people talk about him here as if he's evil seems a bit much. There are much bigger shitheads out there on youtube.

I agree. Boogie is a good person who wants what's best for people, but he's misguided. Society as a whole is hesitant to "rock the boat" and as a result, social progress is almost never achieved by meeting in the middle and having a good chat. Abolition, women's suffrage, civil rights movement, all that good stuff throughout American history, none of that was meeting in the middle. It was a hard push from one side. In current affairs, gamergate, white nationalism, the sort of thing that's taking root right now, these aren't the sort of issues you can be wishy-washy over. The answer is no.

Maybe someone should have a good chat with boogie. :p
 
I think his recent video titles 'Why am I a Fence-Sitting Moderate? ' explains it.
I have beliefs but they are fairly common (free speech is good, violence is bad, abortion is a necessary evil, gay marriage is fine etc...) a live and let live attitude as long as it doesn't stop someone else to do the same. The big difference with some very prolific posters on GAF I guess is that I'm not a militant. I just like to live my life as a good person to the persons around me but won't go out of my way to 'fight'. Saying that the people on GAF fought on a forum I don't know if it translated to anything concrete in their lives or it was just posturing.
Well, it had pretty huge consequences considering Evilore killed the forum in order to prevent that kind of discussion and now a new one has to be built.
No matter where you do the fight, it is a good fight. It's putting out ideas of tolerance, it's spreading information, it's making vulnerable people feel protected. It's not that different, punching a nazi in the street or organizing a protest, from doing similar activities online, and guess what, there's lots of overlap. And "moderates" don't get to say when people should or should not do civil rights advocacy. That's just being an ally of the Nazis.

Since moderates and white supremacists alike love referencing MLK to condemn all types of protest:

tumblr_inline_ms3eqkBKUH1rpr1t4.jpg
 
The revenge porn accusation is a by-product of having once used opa-ages. For those who don't know the history of the forums, it was a splinter group of users with their own forum, closely related to this one. It was never as clean as neogaf tried to be. It was kind of like a dark world to GAF, where moderation was practically non existent and that was the whole point of it. The Bore is like a more tasteful, modern equivalent where people are a lot more decent.

Anyway, back to OA: Olimario, who was a poster here before getting banned and living out his days on OA, traded nude pictures of his girlfriend for a PSP, and the pictures got shared around and ended up becoming some kind of weapon between warring forums and posters. There was a whole thread devoted to posting and sharing nudes and porn links on OA, but getting pictures of another users girlfriend would have been one of the kinds of things that would trigger a mega thread there. OA members would say Evilore looked like an elf and mock him in other ways, olimario and people like that were adversaries. I think people would have done anything to get one over on each other back then. That's just what it was like, rightly or wrongly. There was a thread here in OT for "showing off" your girlfriend, not nude or anything, more for pride - but I think EL and the mods here curtailed that a bit to help roll back the creep factor and be considerate of others... It was feeding that kind of culture. People change.

Its not a great look sharing someone's pictures like that, especially as attitudes towards non consented image sharing have vastly improved, women today have better advice when it comes to sharing images of themselves today too, that wasn't always the case. Believe me - if he's guilty of that (and I wasn't there at the time so I don't know all the details) he won't be the only one. What Amir0x allegedly did in that shit flinging era was arguably worse. All of that stuff has been known by some here for a long long time. Its in the primordial past. PSP was new so we're talking everyone being 10+ years younger.

I'm of the opinion you could dig in to the internet and private messaging past of any number of people and find a fair amount of regrettable wrong doing. I'm not saying its not bad, its just old stuff.. it just makes it seem all the crazier to me that this allegation, which is more easily answerable, caused this kind of reaction. I guess some things come back to haunt you. Its worth noting that kind of people who like dredging this stuff up are often bitter banned former members who posted on places like OA, voat, reddit and 4chan, where people have done things that are easily just as bad.

This is a sugarcoating of what actually happened.
 
Been here 11 years and seen some great posters come and go.

A few even left of their own volition. :)

There were always smart people here. You could see the level of conversation was higher than many other similar outlets. And oh man the humor. The best days to me were 2007-2011 or so. The industry people stopping in was key also. Whether they return is yet to be seen. I'd wager after we get through the next couple weeks and people find their new homes, this place will settle into a comfortable place again and some will return.

But things always change. People left and new people took their places. Cycle of life man.
 
Its not a great look sharing someone's pictures like that, especially as attitudes towards non consented image sharing have vastly improved, women today have better advice when it comes to sharing images of themselves today too, that wasn't always the case. Believe me - if he's guilty of that (and I wasn't there at the time so I don't know all the details) he won't be the only one. What Amir0x allegedly did in that shit flinging era was arguably worse. All of that stuff has been known by some here for a long long time. Its in the primordial past. PSP was new so we're talking everyone being 10+ years younger.

I'm of the opinion you could dig in to the internet and private messaging past of any number of people and find a fair amount of regrettable wrong doing. I'm not saying its not bad, its just old stuff.. it just makes it seem all the crazier to me that this allegation, which is more easily answerable, caused this kind of reaction. I guess some things come back to haunt you. Its worth noting that kind of people who like dredging this stuff up are often bitter banned former members who posted on places like OA, voat, reddit and 4chan, where people have done things that are easily just as bad.

Doing something morally repugnant before society was ready to make informed and collective judgments is NOT a mitigating factor. The intent of revenge porn was always to hurt, embarrass and shame the victim. The fact that people do it less now due to legal consequences does not make the desire to do it to begin with any less disgusting.
Your mention of women being culpable for sharing pictures too freely is actual victim blaming as well, how is somebody less responsible for abusing trust in a time when people were more trusting? People are less trusting now because of people like that who trampled all over it.

places like OA, voat, reddit and 4chan, where people have done things that are easily just as bad
I wouldn't want to be sharing a forum with people like that in 10 years time either. You seem to resent the fact of truths coming to light, I don't think it matters where they came from.
 
Still waiting on an Evillore Photoshop Archive. I wanna make sure the good stuff survives.

It really isn't most of GAF, even if it's fairly left wing for a gaming related forum.
I dunno, people really threw around the term GGer or alt-right like it was candy. I'm not fond of actual people like that but there were tons of times where people were accused of being one by people who clearly wanted to be angry at them. Just look at that Spatula guy in this thread. Gamergate and alt right have become boogeymen words to politics GAF the way SJW has to GG people.

Why are so many of you people with <1 post per day coming out of the woodworks now?
Not everyone has an itchy trigger finger when it comes to posting, Mr. joined-in-2015.
 
If it's not the community that made GAF special, then what? As I said, what made GAF special is not the name, the software, the owner...

Outside of the community, there is nothing separating this from any random smalltime forum on the internet.

Let's say IF the whole "recognizable" community exited (and that's definitely not proven to be clear), then what guarantees the growing of a new community of equal value? GAF's hallowed and reputable name? That's kinda been dragged through the mud. I don't see any insiders or media wanting to engage with this forum anymore... so all the "insider scoops" drama stuff really seems over.
I... honestly don't know what would make the community in this day and age, that was why I posted in past tense. For all I know, Discord and Reddit have taken over and NeoGAF was the last holdover (even without the EL incident, the mods were at breaking point).
 
This is a sugarcoating of what actually happened.
Pretty much. What Evilore did was despicable. Say what you will about Oli, he would never do what Evilore did over some forum war. Most of the post is revisionist bullshit. If you weren't there, don't comment please.
 
Well, it had pretty huge consequences considering Evilore killed the forum in order to prevent that kind of discussion and now a new one has to be built.
No matter where you do the fight, it is a good fight. It's putting out ideas of tolerance, it's spreading information, it's making vulnerable people feel protected. It's not that different, punching a nazi in the street or organizing a protest, from doing similar activities online, and guess what, there's lots of overlap. And "moderates" don't get to say when people should or should not do civil rights advocacy. That's just being an ally of the Nazis.

Since moderates and white supremacists alike love referencing MLK to condemn all types of protest:

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I disagree with some of your points, you say putting out ideas of tolerance which is a noble goal but it seems to me that a lot of people were feeling the exact opposite about GAF. A sense of if you're not 100% with us you are the enemy. It might not be true but that is in effect a feeling shared a lot.
I also disagree with punching a nazi, I just think we should not give them a platform to spread their nonsense and that anyway it represent such a tiny fraction of the population that it is irrelevant to most discourse.
I know a thing or two aobut protest being French and I also condemn violent protests, I guess I am one of those moderate white MLK was upset about but in today's society I do believe that we can achieve change without violence and that more often that not. This is coming from a european perspective and the forum was also a bit too US centric to participate at times.
Why would moderate not get a say? Being moderate doesn't mean not having an opinion on anything. And saying that it makes you a nazi ally in that scenario is what I believe most push most people away.
 
Who the fuck are all these people posting here.

You sound like a bunch of children in a class with no teachers.

I hope he either sells the site or someone else takes over and we can get back to it.

The way it is now is awful. All those fucking losers with anime avatars on Twitter expending their burner accounts and alts is just pathetic.

The lunatics are running the asylum.

I may be back if this place gets sorted out.
 
Gaf is the matrix and this is like 4th cycle. There have been pleeeeeenty of loved and infamous posters who got the axe or stopped posting altogether over the years.

As long as the layout continues to be easy to read and the news gets posted fast gaf will probably be alright.
 
Why are so many of you people with <1 post per day coming out of the woodworks now?

Perhaps because we don't want to see this site wither and die?

I mean, we act like it wasn't but we all know the left wing was pretty extreme here up to the point where is actually hurt the community. Just compare GAF to what it was a couple of years ago. I've been on this forum for over 10 years and boy has it changed.

Couldn't agree more, it got to the point that even people moderately to the left were wary of posting in the politics threads in case they were set upon, never mind center and right.
 
I agree with that, it just seems like most of those people who never post are getting in on this.

I suppose it's just because These are interesting times. A turning Point for the Forum. So to speak.

Look this was my 2nd post since the beginnings of NeoGAF (in the early 2000s). But I was lurking here all the time nonetheless :)
 
Just wanted to let you know that the Off topic community isn't visible on mobile browsers.You should just make Off Topic visible again so we can access the community too.
 
Perhaps because we don't want to see this site wither and die?

Couldn't agree more, it got to the point that even people moderately to the left were wary of posting in the politics threads in case they were set upon, never mind center and right.

I'm a centre left leaning poster (UK, voted for all 3 main parties) with socially liberal and fiscal conservative views.

I never felt scared to challenge those left of myself, nor do I care about being "set upon". However, for a forum that officially banned talk of violence upon people, I saw a lot of people advocating violence on their hate figures and getting away with it.

That was wrong in my view. Violence begets violence. As someone who grew up at the end point of the troubles and saw the results of the Good Friday agreement, if people who literally wanted each other dead can sit on a table and work things out for the benefit of all, then so can anyone.

So yeah, I understand you point of view. Discourse should be on a level playing field and more importantly, conducted where no party feels that unpopular views (politically speaking, racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic bigots need not apply) are attacked and are confronted by the tyranny of the majority.
 
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