PJV3
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We will send them some more of our jobs to make up for it, the important thing is that the Tories feel good about themselves.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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We will send them some more of our jobs to make up for it, the important thing is that the Tories feel good about themselves.
EU summit today where they agree on negotiating red lines.
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Halph n Halph
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I'd suggest that the EU might also get a reality check. I'm not sure they understand the willingness of the british people to burn it all down if it means sticking two fingers up at Merkel and Junker.
The evidence is there for all to see when you look at May's approval ratings.
The majority of our press are behind her, rallying the anti EU sentiment.
I've got a feeling things are going to get messy .
EU shouldn't play nice just because the UK has lost its mind.
PdotMichael
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Well, why should the EU care if the UK wants to burn the own country down?
It's nice to see some Realpolitik by the united EU.
It's nice to see some Realpolitik by the united EU.
It's nice to see a united EU for once.
PdotMichael
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Well, the UK isn't there anymore.
What's the bolded based on? Tub thumbing from people like Farage? I'm not being difficult. I just want to know!
Edit: And actually, if your post is accurate, it's an incredibly stupid position to be in.
why should we care?
PJV3
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Some of the British people might be happy to burn their country down over this nonsense, a lot seem to be falling for the message about stability.
DarthMasta
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There's a real possibility of very high Brexit, damaging both sides and I think, politically, it's probably the most likely, since both sides can easily blame the other over the damage, and I'd guess both sides believe they have the upper hand.
If it turns ugly, and it very much can, I'd bet on British blame the EU press being replicated across the continent but with a blame the UK bent. I've already seen reports on my national TV on how the UK has turned into a bit of a racist hellhole for immigrants, depending on how negotiations go, that sort of thing can become commonplace.
If it turns ugly, and it very much can, I'd bet on British blame the EU press being replicated across the continent but with a blame the UK bent. I've already seen reports on my national TV on how the UK has turned into a bit of a racist hellhole for immigrants, depending on how negotiations go, that sort of thing can become commonplace.
PdotMichael
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Isn't there now a majority in the UK who believes Brexit was wrong?
The EU countries have repeatedly warned of a breakdown of negotiations because of the rhetoric and wrong expectations the UK goverment (and some media) have. The EU position has been more or less clear since before the referendum but was ignored as project fear.
I think they already know negotiations could break down because of these expectations (The FT qouted a EU official last week that says chances are higher than 50% that they will break down, will check to find article) but they are willing to take the hit to defend their position (Once again have to refer you to the greek situation in 2015 because the parallels are getting clearer and clearer).
I agree with you that things are going to get messy and i still think May will either fold completely or walk away at some point.
That's not fair. Even without the UK the EU won't be united like this instance.
RedSparrows
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Quite. I suspect that for all the rhetoric of 'change' and 'hard brexit', a tiny minority actually want instability. People voted against Brexit because they have faith in their government not to fuck them over. They vote for change that isn't change, in a way.
JonnyDBrit
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39755124
They agreed to the guidelines from March 31st in less than 15 minutes.
JonnyDBrit
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Oh my fucking lord.
Also as a reminder, the guidelines included this:
So that is officially part of the negotiating position of the EU now.
Halph n Halph
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Fires spread. Germany can take a hardline approach and probably won't see any significant economic hit and even if in the unlikely event they do , they have a strong enough economy to sort it out.
Theresa May's approval ratings are higher than Blair or Thatchers
I think Greece were far more willing to bend over than the UK will be. I can't see May folding completely and her willingness to just tip the table and leave the room could see her winning a massive majority in Westminster .
Once the tabloid media start the whole "EU thinks it can bully the brits" headlines and pictures of Merkel with a toothbrush moustache , spitfires , Captain Mainwaring telling Junker he's a "Stupid boy" ,Russian linesmen , Geoff Hurst and Donald tusks face on a pigs head snuffling in a trough the country will start to decend into a war times mentality and the circus of stupid will be in full on attack mode . Anything the Tories do then, even if it's going to hurt the poorest like a tax haven will be greeted with cheering and more importantly votes.
Maybe in 20 years when millennials are running the country we might become more pragmatic but Thatcher children run things at the moment and I can't see much other than a bumpy ride for a decade or two at least.
Gotcha. I misunderstood what you meant (although I'm hoping that, as time passes, there'll be a little more nuance to people's positions).
PdotMichael
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I'm confused to see posts about EU with its reasonable demands and positions are somehow hostile against the UK.
Anything that isn't seen as the UK getting everything it wants will always be spun as if the EU is out to punish the UK by certain media.
This will only get worse when the real negotiations begin.
Muffin1611
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The comments under that tweet. Christ.
PdotMichael
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We got your banks, so we are okay - Merkel
blazinglord
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Don't count on it.
As the saying goes: If youre not a liberal when youre 25, you have no heart. If youre not a conservative by the time youre 35, you have no brain.
It's just one of those things, people tend to shift to the right when they get older and become more jaded and cynical with the world. I know political issues that got me and my contemporaries fired up when we were 20 are not the same issues that concern us now at 29/30 and upwards. Like the other night, a dinner conversation we had about care workers earning low wages turned into a discussion about whether the policy of increasing the minimum wage to £10 (or however much) in 2020 is a good thing or not. Couldn't imagine having that conversation when we were 20! Would have probably been a conversation about legalising cannabis and increasing inheritance tax I think.
PJV3
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They go nicely with our car companies like Rolls Royce.
Very interesting tweetstorm by Faisal Islam regarding EU guidelines:
Most of it was already known but some changes were made to the original guidelines.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/858308441382817792
Most of it was already known but some changes were made to the original guidelines.
Frankfurter
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Muffin1611
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I couldn't resist to chip in and the first argument I get is "Norway gets EU benefits, why shouldn't we???".
Like what.
PdotMichael
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Spiegel Online has a great article about the mindset of the British exceptionalism.
For the average Englishman must it be a shock that after decades of EU holding down the UK propaganda they are getting confronted with the reality that being part of the EU was quite lucrative for them in all possible areas.
For the average Englishman must it be a shock that after decades of EU holding down the UK propaganda they are getting confronted with the reality that being part of the EU was quite lucrative for them in all possible areas.
affleck1981
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Is there a link/translation anywhere? Would like to read that!
PdotMichael
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http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...en-einzigartigkeit-gastbeitrag-a-1145134.html
Only in German.
Not sure if the article survives a Google translation.
affleck1981
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Cheers - might get German teachers in my school to give it to their A-Level students!
JonnyDBrit
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In relation to the point on Germany rebuilding its reputation after the war, I remember a BBC article from before the referendum that posited the point that unlike most other members of the bloc, Britain joined with economic gain as the main incentive. For much of the member states, joining the EEC and/or EU was a rejection of darker days. To avoid a return to fascism, communism, or otherwise simply not be embroiled in yet another war among each other. But Britain's relationship with the EU has so often been focused in business terms - we joined because we wanted access to our most lucrative market - and came at the apparent expense of our glory days. Instead of ruling our own Empire or heading our own Commonwealth, we were just another part of a dozens-strong Union. Evidently that does not sit well with some.
This times article on the May & Juncker dinner is a fascinating read:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-is-living-in-another-galaxy-says-brussels-mlfrk928c
Frankfurter
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May is delusional. She is gonna make everyone suffer even more unless she finally gets back to this dimension. One can only hope that this bullshit stops once the election is over.
Edit: She has also made Merkel her enemy, which is even more stupid. Merkel can't do anything that may make her look even remotely weak until after the elections, because the UKs constant BS has made all the goodwill that certainly existed in the German population go away.
Edit: She has also made Merkel her enemy, which is even more stupid. Merkel can't do anything that may make her look even remotely weak until after the elections, because the UKs constant BS has made all the goodwill that certainly existed in the German population go away.
"Over dinner, Juncker slapped down May by pulling out a copy of the EU-Canada trade deal, a 2,000-page document that took nearly a decade to negotiate, and recommended that the prime minister study its complexity."
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
Wow, such strong and stable leadership. The strongest. Look at her go, being all firm with the EU. I'm sure they'll back down if she keeps being all strong and stable. Any day now.
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It happened slightly sooner than I expected, I must admit. Thought we'd at least get to May before that narrative got spun by the PM.
Pulling out that CETA mammoth must've been pretty cathartic for Juncker. Bet he wanted to slap her with the 2k pages by the end of the dinner.
On a side note, I wasn't aware UK citizens were struggling this much (from the spiegel article):
I mean, I guess that's mostly the peeps outside London, and I know that expenses out in the sticks are far more manageable, but three quarters is a huge amount of people. Granted, being poorer than the average of (the presumably most successful) half of the EU might not be all that painful, but still, it sure sounds frightening. Which is intended, by all means, but nonetheless something I hadn't even considered to that degree. I was aware that Thatcher et al bled the countryside dry in order to boost London, but to see it put in numbers is sobering.
On a side note, I wasn't aware UK citizens were struggling this much (from the spiegel article):
Translated: "Few are aware that three quarters of the country('s populace) are poorer than the EU-15 average."
I mean, I guess that's mostly the peeps outside London, and I know that expenses out in the sticks are far more manageable, but three quarters is a huge amount of people. Granted, being poorer than the average of (the presumably most successful) half of the EU might not be all that painful, but still, it sure sounds frightening. Which is intended, by all means, but nonetheless something I hadn't even considered to that degree. I was aware that Thatcher et al bled the countryside dry in order to boost London, but to see it put in numbers is sobering.
And what will happen when she rolls out her massive parliamentary majority? Oh, that's right. Nothing. God, we deserve better than this.
Yep, us versus them. Media will follow. Sad that people can't see the UK government has been screwing then for decades.
And what will happen when she rolls out her massive parliamentary majority? Oh, that's right. Nothing. God, we deserve better than this.
Do it like Trump, have you seen my majority coupon every week, what does that get us from EU......nothing.
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